Yin and Yang theory..

[Blue]

It seems to me there is a great deal of sense in the Yin and Yang view, which is why perhaps it is so ancient a concept that has survived.

I think it is eminently sensible to think of everything we perceive in existence, and perhaps conceptualise outside of existence in the material world, as a constant fight for balance within chaos.

That is why I would always call for a balance of the affective domain with the cognitive and material domain in our thinking.
When either one dominates, there is chaos and irrationality.

[Postmaster]

That is why I would always call for a balance of the affective domain with the cognitive and material domain in our thinking.

When either one dominates, there is chaos and irrationality.

Whatever you do in this existence it will always be dominated by yin, you will never find the balance, sexual emotions, cravings for meat (look at your teeth), natural jealousy, natural anger, fighting this will eat you up and make you suffer yourself... From my perspective anyway. In the next life, awaits balance (Yang). The more you fight it, the better spiritually it is for you. for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction... When you suffer, its not going to waist. You may think you found a balance in this exsistence, but if you have it will start to eat away at you.

My point of view and very much in tune with Christian idiology.

[Sacredstar]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

1) Whatever you do in this existence it will always be dominated by yin

2) you will never find the balance, sexual emotions, cravings for meat (look at your teeth), natural jealousy, natural anger, fighting this will eat you up and make you suffer yourself...

3) In the next life, awaits balance (Yang). The more you fight it, the better spiritually it is for you. for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction...

4) When you suffer, its not going to waist.

5) You may think you found a balance in this exsistence, but if you have it will start to eat away at you.

6) My point of view and very much in tune with Christian idiology.

1) Sorry I agree to disagree
2) When man heals himself of negative emotions, needs and traits, you do indeed find a balance in one's own life. As Jesus said 'the two become one' Jesus the healer knew how to achieve this balance through self mastery over one's emotions. The Gospel of Thomas is good for starters in this respect.

3) In the next life you will be doing it all over again until you choose to purify the soul through self healing and self development.

4) Correct suffering is one way of purifying the soul and if one integrates what one as learnt on the journey, one's consciousness is risen into a new state of being.

5) What evidence do you provide to substantiate this?

6) You may feel so but it is not the view of Jesus or his direct teachings in the Gospel of Thomas or through his current day disciples.

I think Yin and Yang is mentioned in the Jesus Sutra's I will see if i can find you a reference.

Blessings in abundance

Sacredstar

[Postmaster]

maybe... .. I could be wrong, then again who knows. I don't know everything. Actually am limited in many thing I understand and thats a fact

I can't help myself but think (although I have everything good for me) that life and our existence is traped in a negatively dominated force and this is how I live my life.

[Sacredstar]

Dear PM I feel your intuition is spot on and I feel you are being guided to look at this yin and yang in your own life and also to view the Taoist Christianity maybe you are not aware that you are being guided at this time but it is no concidence that there is a book called the Jesus Sutra's which is about the very subject of rediscovering the lost religion of Taoist Christianity.

The Tao give birth to the One, the Origin.
The One, the Origin, gives birth to the Two.
The Two give brith to the three.
The Three give birth to every living thing.
All things are held in yin and carry yang.
And they are held together in the Qi of teeming energy.

Now in the Gospel of Thomas Jesus speaks about the 'two energies becoming one'

The Tao is before the origin of all. In this sense it is almost like the idea od GOD in Christian thought, except that the Tao has no personality, no emotions, do divinity. It simply is the ultimate principle of all and origin of the origin. The origin gives birth to the two cosmic forces - again, not deities, just forces yin and yang. Yin is the female: dark, damp, winter force of life; yang is the male hot, dry, summer force. Together these two forces are locked in perpetual combat seeking to overcome each other. But this is impossible, for each carries the seed of the other within it.

I would say it is the similar between the human and divine self a struggle for who will be in control of this human being. A spiritual being having a human experience. Man finds it hard to surrender control and it is only in doing so that one can align and balance one's energies. Male and female within, dark and light.

Martin Palmer goes on to say that 'The Three are Heaven, Earth and Humanity. Heaven is yang and Earth is yin, and humanity combines both in the pivotal position of the balancer and arbitrator between Yin and Yang.'

Human anger, unforgiveness, pride, jealousy, envy, anti-love, hate etc disturb this balance and create blockages in the dynamic self healing energetic system (which to me is our soul). When the energetic system is blocked the physical barometer begins to experience the stress and disease that can be a result.

Love beyond measure

Sacredstar

[Master Vigil]

Here's the thing Postmaster. Taoists don't believe in an afterlife. The yin yang demonstrates this universe, not an afterlife. After a taoist dies, they normally believe they will become one with Tao. But you must understand that your christian ideas will not fit in here. Because as you believe god is all good, a taoist believes that Tao is in perfect balance. So perfect in fact that neither side of the yin or yang is noticeable. So while you believe this life is only negative, I seriously disagree. I believe it has negative aspects, but it also has positive aspects as well. But a taoist walks a middle road, no extremes, and therefore is in balance with the Tao during life. The problem is, you think that the opposites are fighting against each other, this is not so. Which is the reason for the 2 dots inside each half. They meld together, much like how one person can be good, but also evil. One cannot be totally good. It is impossible. That is a christian goal, a taoists goal is to be in balance with both sides. Not an extreme. You don't believe hot and cold are opposites? Light and dark, male and female, high and low? Do you not go outside? I agree that you should either coin new terms for your beliefs, and leave the taoism to taoists.

[Postmaster]

Black is a shade of white, and hot is a scale of temperature which cold is part of... If they really are opposites why does Fire cause harm, and why does water too. Maybe one of these elements has more yang in them but they are all part of the domination of Yin.



This actually might be a unique idea from me... I could be wrong, I could be right. My knowledge is limited but I live my life with these principles in mind.. The universe and the spirtual world both live in perfect harmony.

[Vajradhara]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

Black is a shade of white, and hot is a scale of temperature which cold is part of... If they really are opposites why does Fire cause harm, and why does water too. Maybe one of these elements has more yang in them but they are all part of the domination of Yin.

fire also provides warmth from the cold and cooks food. water is the sustaining force of all sentient life.

things are not all good or all bad from their own side. in the traditional Taoist schools of Alchemy, things are only given the lables "good" or "bad" due to the perception of the viewer. "good" and "bad" are not objective aspects of the universe, they are subjective and personal.

i suppose, that i should ask. are you interested in the traditional understandings of these terms and ideas?

[Postmaster]

Actually, I'am interested I try my best not be ignorant.. If you could show me some information about the original idea of Yin and Yang, I would be thankful.

What I'm trying to say takes more then looking at elements to decided if there is a balance within the universe.. It takes more then thinking and viewing to see that there is an imbalance, but there might actaully be both, it might all depend on the persons perspective, some people might give more..

Both water and fire create more harm them good. Especially fire. Humans are made of water and humans are also a destructive force as nature itself.

Using up the resources of earth, wars and meat eating... You can't see it with your mind or eyes because they are part of the illusion too

[Sacredstar]

A fire can be put out by water but a fire can never harm the beautiful waterfall created by GOD.

[Postmaster]

I did some research on the way I have been thinking recently about a world dominated by a dark force and it turns out that it’s not unique. In fact there was an old form of Christianity that the Romans Catholics destroyed due to heresy because of there thoughts they were called the Cathars.

http://gnosistraditions.faithweb.com/mont.html

Also this is very simliar view to Zoroastriaism also a religion that was destroyed.

Can anyone see a connection? Light being destroyed in a darkly dominated universe, maybe? Jesus was put on the cross because his divinity was attacked as soon as he entered the dark dominated place.

[Master Vigil]

I understand you points Postmaster. And I think they are quite interesting, but please don't use taoist terminology. You may think this world is more evil than good, but not everyone does. I actually believe it fluctuates, and changes in different places. Actually, taoists don't even view each side of the yin yang as better or worse than the other. And neither should be described as "good or evil." That is more of a judeo christian idea. I just wish you would use different terms.

[Faithfulservant]

I dont understand why everyone is so upset with PM's attempts to think outside the box.. Does it hurt anyone that hes trying to understand yin and yang? Or maybe trying to apply it to his own beliefs? People do it with Christianity all the time.I dont think theres any harm in it.. if its bothersome that he uses terms you dont have to read his thread. Right?

[Postmaster]

I can understand what Master Vigil is trying to say. But is this because you see what I say as a threat in anyway? If so I apologise.

[Master Vigil]

No threat, I like what your trying to say. I just think people will understand you better if you keep it within your tradition. If you start bringing in ancient chinese concepts which are hundreds of years older than christianity, people may not listen to you. I think if you use different terms, your point will go across easier.