Would anyone like to be a Messiah?

[peale]

Don’t you think is about time this messiah chap raised his head? I mean most religions predict a final prophet, wouldn’t now be a good time; personally I think he should turn up to the party or just not bother. Perhaps he is waiting for the antichrist to do his turn; you can’t have Christ before the antichrist it just goes against history, the bad guy has to lose. So where is AC? Don’t look at any of the tin pot dictators (I include Blair and Bush here); Forget politics, he’s going to be where the power really is, in the corporate world. Although I’m not a fan of corporate business I don’t really see anything more evil about them than their material greed and their desire to wield a bit of power, which I put down to the fact they have never felt loved, although it could simply be a penis thing. Perhaps he too is keeping his head down, what is the point of following a predestined path when he knows he is going to lose, we all know the story before it even starts I mean what kind of incentive is that. Any way that aside what other clues have we got? Well to me the best known is the number of the beast 666, now as far as I can tell the only time numbers are intrinsically linked to people are on birthdays so that’s where I’d be looking, I’ll show you, take this birthday 21.11.1966 now if we add the individual numbers together like this (2+1+1+1+1+9)66 we get a three digit number 666. For an Englishman 1966 is a very special year, a lot of energy in this country that year. That’s my birthday but I bet you guessed as much, I think I’ll form a 666s club for anyone interested. Perhaps we should be looking for a 38 year old English speaking male. Wouldn’t it be great if we had a woman as the antichrist, the church would love that, it fits nicely with most religious dogma? He’s got to speak English; you won’t get the market penetration with any other language I don’t see a French antichrist somehow. Every suggested antichrist has fallen by the way side and I’m beginning to lose hope we are ever going to get one and we need one to complete the jigsaw. Anyway the original question was where is the messiah? Well again I think he has to be English speaking and it will have to be his native tongue, you can only talk really deep philosophies in your own language. I doubt he would be American, Australian, new Zealand etc they don’t have enough history although I don’t rule them out, his family could have emigrated, its Great Britton (must have been great for a reason) where I think you’ll find him. Anyway where ever he is he’s got thirty odd years of his life to kill so he’s going to have to do something to earn a living. My guess is he’d go for a simple job something earthy like farming or a trade like carpentry, basically the same things the last messiah was in to. One thing is sure I bet he’s been warning people about stock market crashes and the dangers in the housing market as well the more serious global issues; prophets prophesise by definition. I completely forgot! he is easy to find just check the birth register for virgin births! Bollocks! How the hell is a mother supposed to bond with a child when she was impregnated against her will, and then have to explain this to the boy when he asks about dad? He’ll grow more screwed up than Michael Jackson. There is another possibility that explains everything, why there has been no antichrist and subsequently no messiah too save us from said antichrist; the Antichrist and Christ are one and the same! What if that is just a way of saying it’s just a man, a bit of bad and a lot of good but all the same short comings as every fucker else. No son of god crap, only human beings take this form and maybe some lizards (I know one of the lizards there OK they just want to be loved) but that is it. Of course there would be no miracles and without miracles how you going to grab everyone’s attention, especially now when a miracle is exactly what we need. Can you imagine trying to convince a cynical world you’re the guy they have been waiting for but you don’t do miracles your 100% mortal and you might even be the bad guy too, I don’t envy anyone that task. You know there is so much talk of men it makes me wonder where all the women are in this grand plan to sort out the human race. My mum ran the family when I was a kid, grandma ran my dads family and Becky runs ours, men can’t run a piss up in a brewery. You take any heterosexual male (gay males would just get on with it) and put him in a room with Angelina Jolly, then see how pathetic he becomes, although this will not feature in the stories he tells. The brain might be a powerful organ but it has stiff competition. If there was a messiah and given that he was human then he most likely has a partner and children then ultimately it will be his family he answers too. The simple fact is we probably aren’t going to get a second coming or tenth coming or what ever religion you have signed up for, we are probably going to be left to wallow in our own **** because even if he did exist he’s not going to stick his neck out for us. He would just say things we don’t want to hear, like pull your finger out and sort this mess out yourself. Truth is we don’t need a messiah, we have the intelligence and the resources to create a utopia ourselves only fear pedalled by governments and religions prevents us. Of course I could be completely wrong and the big guy himself will float serenely down to earth on a fluffy cloud surrounded by angels we’ll all drop to our knees and thank god as he waves his magic wand and puts everything right. While we are waiting do you thing we could at least try and recycle. Good to meet you all, my real names Brian and I’m not the Messiah I’m a very naughty boy.

[I, Brian]

Originally Posted by peale

He would just say things we don’t want to hear, like pull your finger out and sort this mess out yourself. Truth is we don’t need a messiah, we have the intelligence and the resources to create a utopia ourselves only fear pedalled by governments and religions prevents us. Of course I could be completely wrong and the big guy himself will float serenely down to earth on a fluffy cloud surrounded by angels we’ll all drop to our knees and thank god as he waves his magic wand and puts everything right. While we are waiting do you thing we could at least try and recycle.

Lol!! Too right that all too often we seem to find ourselves as a society blaming other people, even God, for not solving the very problems that we actively contribute to.

And I'm also a Brian, and not a Messiah.

[InLove]

Hi, Welcome to CR, Peale

LOL! (I think). Hey, you know what happens in the church I attend when someone starts complaining about stuff that needs to be done? That someone gets the assignment!

InPeace,
InLove

[path_of_one]

Originally Posted by peale

He would just say things we don’t want to hear, like pull your finger out and sort this mess out yourself. Of course I could be completely wrong and the big guy himself will float serenely down to earth on a fluffy cloud surrounded by angels we’ll all drop to our knees and thank god as he waves his magic wand and puts everything right. While we are waiting do you thing we could at least try and recycle.

Being a person who believes the messiah already came once, I found this particularly relevant, even in all its humorous sarcasm. He did indeed say a bunch of stuff people didn't feel like hearing, an essential kick-in-the-pants get-with-the-program-folks message but with love. And yeah, I'm with you on the recycling. Even if God will come and wave his magic wand, could be another couple thousand years. Aside from that, I for one would like Him to find me diligently working.

Welcome to CR!

[arthra]

I was reviewing this topic and it occurred to me that just about every known figure such as Zoroaster, Buddha, Moses, Christ, Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah have left a lot of worldly security and power for lives of poverty and danger to bring Their Revelation(s) to humanity.

What it demonstrates in my view is the great love for humanity and the will to raise up our expectations and principles that we are capable of. We can be so much more than what we are....

[peale]

I dont see why a prophet need live in any kind of poverty. I think it would be a much better example to show some restraint but enjoy yourself, a good life doesn't need to be a an expensive one. Anyway poor people don't need converting, its the rich, if roman abramovich can justify a 750 million pound personal yacht I'll pay the fuel bill. He must be very very board and possibly a little insecure.

[Nitai]

codes about messiah

* humans are conditioned to enjoying material life
* how could anyone of them become a messiah?
* Messiah means qualification, he has love of God
* there is a process of purification by which one can attain love of God
* however, its very rear that one develops pure love of God
* REASON: influence of materialism is very strong

* QUESTION: is it possible to become messiah?
* if you so desire, so that you became a famous person you will certainly not become Messiah
* QUESTION: is it possible to become messiah?
* if God don't want you to become messiah you will certainly not become a messiah. If he wants you to become a messiah nobody will be able to stop you.
* QUESTION: what should I do to become a messiah?
* in an impure stage of existence when one has still material desires one should just endeavor to please God, not desiring anything else
* also don't desire to become messiah.
* when you become pure if God will desire you to become messiah you will be blessed by Him to save many of this material world.

* CONCLUSION: just practice sincerely the process of purification and let God decide what He likes you to do in the future.
* become first a surrendered soul, a stanch lover of God.
* then you will like to do anything for Him, like a man does everything for woman.


Hare Krishna

[Vajradhara]

why do homeless people only collect aluminium cans for money instead of plastic, glass and other materials?

how much does it actually cost to produce a new plastic item vs. the cost involved in recycling said plastic item?

those would be some of the things that i would want to know before i could say, without equivocation, that i'm in support of recycling to the extent that it is mandated by several local governments around my neck of the planet.

i'm all about conserving resources...

if we discovered that it cost 2x the amount of resources to recycle plastic than to make a new plastic item, i wouldn't be so eager to recycle plastic, for instance.

[Nitai]

* so you like to become the messiah of the conserve collectors or what?

* What your topic has to do with the topic about becoming messiah?

* the messiah performs spiritual activity not material. Right?

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

why do homeless people only collect aluminium cans for money instead of plastic, glass and other materials?

how much does it actually cost to produce a new plastic item vs. the cost involved in recycling said plastic item?

those would be some of the things that i would want to know before i could say, without equivocation, that i'm in support of recycling to the extent that it is mandated by several local governments around my neck of the planet.

i'm all about conserving resources...

if we discovered that it cost 2x the amount of resources to recycle plastic than to make a new plastic item, i wouldn't be so eager to recycle plastic, for instance.

i think they get more money for aluminum.

it is mandate here too, but they charge us for the colored bins & wont pick it up unless we have the bins.. so i just recycle my own way & have people take it that need it & sometimes give the recycle cans to the animal shelters.
the paper goes to the side for starting the bon fires all summer & the fires in the fire place all winter.