Wicca: traditional origins?

[bgruagach]

Originally Posted by WiccanWade

To a point, however, there is evvidence for a sngle mother goddess, and similar unison worship of Her by such classical writers as tacitus, with regards to the Celtic tribes. However, much of wicca which is disputed can be proven by many of the archives at the Museum of Witchcraft in England.

I don't doubt that individual goddesses were considered by their followers to be "the ultimate goddess." And I don't doubt that the idea that "all goddesses are One Goddess" goes back much farther than Gerald Gardner, Dion Fortune, etc. since it seems to be in evidence in Apuleius' "Golden Ass" which was written sometime before 170 CE.

Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be much evidence for a widespread religion of a single Goddess as some would have us believe.

If there really is all sorts of little-known evidence at the Museum of Witchcraft in England, I really really hope that it is being examined and prepared for inclusion in new publications by scholars like Hutton. I'd certainly spend my money to buy new books on these topics if they had new information to share!

[Baud]

Wade wrote: Interestingly enough, Hutton isn't an "'outside' scholar" being that he's a 3rd. degree Gardnerian!

That's interresting! He is very careful not to mention it in his book (unless I missed it, but I think I would have noticed it).

Baud

[WiccanWade]

Originally Posted by bgruagach

If there really is all sorts of little-known evidence at the Museum of Witchcraft in England, I really really hope that it is being examined and prepared for inclusion in new publications by scholars like Hutton. I'd certainly spend my money to buy new books on these topics if they had new information to share!

Oh, it's been there for years (there was veen some new artifacts and papers willed to the establishment a few years ago). Trouble is, no one's cared to look for it. However, it's not publically displaced, not is it catalogued with the rest of the inventory. And, is only open to those wishing to perform research on the subject at hand. And, one must also remember, that Hutton is VERY biased, to a fault, with regards to the evendence he will accept. After all, there are still people living whom have worked with Old Gerald. But, because there is no written documentation, he refuses to accept it. For example, according to Hutton's criteria, I never gave a wirkshop at a festival last summer, because there is no acceptible documentatiom, even though there are many students to attest to it, and I had my picture taken at the bloody festival. Thus, acording to Hutton, I was never there (period). Here is another article about his blind sided tendancies: http://www.suppressedhistories.net/a...on_review.html Oh, and, for the record, in about a year, Hutton will re-issue "Triumph of the Moon" with some ammendments, as well as, I hear he already has published such ammendments, although I do not know which recent books they would be in!

[WiccanWade]

Originally Posted by Baud

That's interresting! He is very careful not to mention it in his book (unless I missed it, but I think I would have noticed it).

Baud

Oh, no, he hasn't, and he wouldn't. For two reasons (one of which, he told me himself), because he would not be taken seriously by both schoalrs and Wiccans (especially the non-Wiccan var. whom tend to look down on such individuals written about such things) and he believes it would be used by the enemeies of Wiccans for poor means.

[beltainelady]

Latecomer to the thread, and newbie to this board, without much to add really, since y'all have pretty well covered anything I might have said

I just thought you'd be interested in knowing that the author from the original link is the originator of the Alexandrian line in the United States. My great-grandfather, craftwise.

Nice to see his words get around.