Why do you think I am oppressed?

[niranjan]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

That said, alhamdolillah, they are a small percentage of Muslims.

Yeah sure,we all know that.

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by niranjan

Yeah sure,we all know that.

Do you know Niranjan, it doesn't matter how pleasant I try to be with you, you still manage to remain ignorant, aggresive, sarcastic and outrightly biased. Do your scriptures not tell you that arrogance and pride are a sin? At least I am prepared to accept the wrongdoing of some people of my faith and I spend time to try to explain misconceptions of my faith as well as spend time listening and learning. Perhaps you should try humbling yourself (unless your caste doesn't allow this), sit back and try listening or engage in real discussion rather than just running off at the mouth all the time. A one sided discussion is called a lecture!!!

[niranjan]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

Do you know Niranjan, it doesn't matter how pleasant I try to be with you, you still manage to remain ignorant, aggresive, sarcastic and outrightly biased. Do your scriptures not tell you that arrogance and pride are a sin? At least I am prepared to accept the wrongdoing of some people of my faith and I spend time to try to explain misconceptions of my faith as well as spend time listening and learning. Perhaps you should try humbling yourself (unless your caste doesn't allow this), sit back and try listening or engage in real discussion rather than just running off at the mouth all the time. A one sided discussion is called a lecture!!!

Ok, lets get into discussion on a logical frame of mind. And I apologize sincerely if I have hurt your feelings as you too are my sister and friend. But you see I am a bit hurt myself seeing what is clearly happening to muslim women and little girls, whom I see as my mothers and sisters as well.

And I really don't like it when someone tries to demagnify the situation by saying that it is practiced by a small section of muslims when it is not.

Any way, if possible , try to spread awareness of this and try to prevent it as much as possible.

Thanking you,

Your brother,

Niranjan.

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by niranjan

Ok, lets get into discussion on a logical frame of mind. And I apologize sincerely if I have hurt your feelings as you too are my sister and friend. But you see I am a bit hurt myself seeing what is clearly happening to muslim women and little girls, whom I see as my mothers and sisters as well.

And I really don't like it when someone tries to demagnify the situation by saying that it is practiced by a small section of muslims when it is not.

Any way, if possible , try to spread awareness of this and try to prevent it as much as possible.

Thanking you,

Your brother,

Niranjan.

Niranjan

I am a woman and a mother (albeit to children who are not my own) do you not think it hurts me deeply that these women and girls are being treated this way? Do you not think it offends me deeply that any sister in the world is being treated in such a degrading way? Can you even imagine what I think of these 'men' and what I would be capable of if you gave me an AK47 and pointed them out to me in the street? I would happily go to prison for the remainder of my life or even be killed if I could stop just one woman or girl from going through this pain and I do not say that lightly. I would certainly kill, if I knew for certain who had done some of these things, normally I do not like violence but I see no alternative with some of these men, it would be better if they didn't walk the face of the earth.

It will be of little consequence to you but it also deeply pains me the way they use and twist my religion for their own desires, they have the audacity to mention the name of G-d when they commit these crimes and I do not believe G-d will forgive them their crimes or the use of His name in such vanity.

Perhaps in your country it is a majority of Muslims I really do not know. Saudi is another country with a lot to answer for. Certainly from what I read the attrocities against women in your country seem prevelant and sustained, as they do in Saudi. But there are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world and yes a vast majority are peaceful and would never dream of doing these awful things, however they are outside your country so outside your range of vision. Quite frankly if I lived in your country I would no doubt feel as you do.

All I have been asking you to do is not judge every Muslim the same way. Perhaps that is difficult for you because you are faced with these issues every day in your country? But please try and I promise I shall continue with my work to bring these attoricites to the attention of the world. If you ever hear of anything you want posted on websites or emails sent in protest to your government just PM them to me, I will be happy to do everything that I possibly can. I will not assist with propaganda against Islam but if it is a genuine issue of a woman being harmed in the name of Islam I shall do what I can.

Salaam

[niranjan]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

Niranjan

I am a woman and a mother (albeit to children who are not my own) do you not think it hurts me deeply that these women and girls are being treated this way? Do you not think it offends me deeply that any sister in the world is being treated in such a degrading way? Can you even imagine what I think of these 'men' and what I would be capable of if you gave me an AK47 and pointed them out to me in the street? I would happily go to prison for the remainder of my life or even be killed if I could stop just one woman or girl from going through this pain and I do not say that lightly. I would certainly kill, if I knew for certain who had done some of these things, normally I do not like violence but I see no alternative with some of these men, it would be better if they didn't walk the face of the earth.

And what will you do if Islamic fundamentalists themselves are doing these things?

What would you have done when the turks during the assyrian genocide were raping the assyrian women and little girls relentlessly and putting them in their harem, (which is an another name for brothel)?

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

It will be of little consequence to you but it also deeply pains me the way they use and twist my religion for their own desires, they have the audacity to mention the name of G-d when they commit these crimes and I do not believe G-d will forgive them their crimes or the use of His name in such vanity.

Well , we can't wait till judgement day for justice. As Emerson said, "If a man cannot discipline himself , the world will be forced to discipline him."

You should not in any way think that we will let these guys off easily for rape, murder,paedophilia, and human rights violations .

[Muslimwoman]

Niranjan

This is the last time I will post to you. Everytime I feel you accept I am not a monster for being a Muslim and I try to be nice to you, you just throw Muslim attrocities at me. Yes they happen NO I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM.

Goodbye and salaam

[niranjan]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

Niranjan

This is the last time I will post to you. Everytime I feel you accept I am not a monster for being a Muslim and I try to be nice to you, you just throw Muslim attrocities at me. Yes they happen NO I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM.

Goodbye and salaam

I have not stated that you were responsible for them, did I ! And I have never stated that you were a monster for being a muslim or something, and if it were so, I would not have mentioned my muslim bhaji(aunt), or addressed you as my sister or addressed muslim women and little girls as my mothers and sisters.

I was only showing the ludicrousness of your saying that you will take up a rifle and shoot these guys down, when these guys can easily do the same thing to you. In fact they are much better trained than you are.

Fight them with your pen aggressively. You will be more effective in that way. Take this as your jihad, the true jihad , in my opinion.

[Vajradhara]

Namaste Muslimwoman,

thank you for the post.

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

This is certainly a difficult issue in Islam and a discussion I often hold with more traditional Muslims. I don't wish to bore you with quotes but I would like you go to a Quran search on the web and put in the word hadith. What you will read are the many verses pertaining to the Quran being THE hadith and G-d tells us in the Quran that no other hadith should be followed.

whilst that is certainly the case, the fact remains that many Muslims derive a great deal of their guidance from the various written Hadith chains, Bukhari seems to be a very popular one.

It is also well documented (believe it or not in hadiths) that the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) did not want a miriad of hadiths written, he was a very wise man indeed and anticipated the chinese whispers that would follow.

"chinese whispers"? this phrase carries a certain connotation that i would like to understand before i respond. what do you mean, exactly, by this phrase?

Even today traditional followers will tell you that the four traditional schools of thought are the right path and you may follow any of them but they all differ in opinion (not just on minor issues). I am currently having a discusion with a Muslim brother on another thread regarding this very topic, how can 4 different opinions all be right? Ver confusing for us laypeople who just wish to please G-d.

well.. it is easy enough for four views to be correct, it simply depends on their perspective.. in any event, this is one of the issues that makes it difficult for a non Muslim to discourse about Islam, without a central orthodoxy, as it were, it is quite muddled about the correct view within Islam and so forth.

I would love to hear your views on the Israel/Palestine issue. Before I moved to Egypt I had very set views about this topic but now I have had to explore it more deeply and am now not sure what to think. What truly astonished me (and saddened me) is the depth of hated, and I mean hatred, some Arabs hold for the Jewish population. To see a 6 year old child cheering because a Jew had been killed made my blood boil, just the lunacy of teaching small children such hatred. Although it did make me start to see how Islamic fundamentalism begins. So please share your thoughts with me – I love to learn.

the most often offered argument is that the United Nations took the land from the Palestinians and, therefore, it should be returned. i find this argument to be a sound argument on its face, however, we must be clear on this.. if we are using historical precedent to determine which people the land belongs to, we must conclude that the land belongs to the Jewish people since it was their land before the Romans took and renamed it to Palestine. Further, the Persians enforced a Diaspora upon the Jewish people and removed them from their land only to be replaced by others.

on a more practical slant.. it is quite clear that Jordan and Syria have sufficient land to create a sepearte Palestinian state, if they would so choose. why they have not done so is certainly suspect, in my mind.

How fascinating, I hope that you will be able to return there one day. I have been interested to watch the change in political stance there over the last few years. Sometimes when I look at Egyptian culture I can just see the line between their African and Arabic roots. It is certainly a beautiful area of the world, that sounds silly because it is mainly sand, but having been I feel sure you know what I mean. I think perhaps it is the vastness that impresses me and the constantly changing landscape. Please will you share some of your experiences from childhood, what was it like to be a child growing up in such a rich culture with such difficult political issues?

it was quite amazing, all in all. to be frank with you, my only awareness of any political issues would occur when we were evactuated to England or France and even then it seemed sort of unreal. we were evacuated about 8 times whilst i lived there.. during one of those times, the Libyan government refused to let my mother leave the country.. my brother and I were in England for almost three months before she could get out and join us. what a strange time that was!

overall, my experience was positive; though that does not mean that there weren't terrible things that happened.... i was attacked by a gang of arab youths and beaten with shovels and pick axes, pelted with stones and generally beaten pretty badly, it is possible that some of the skeletal structure issues that i'm dealing with today stem from that encounter.

the town, itself, was the site of several battles during world war 2 and, as such, there were artifcats from the conflict which one could easily find.. at the end of my street, upon the hill, was a machine gun nest, called a "pillbox" that had been hit by a tank shell which caused the roof to collapse. we would climb around on that thing for hours and hours.. due to the oil industry, there was alot of pipe that ended up not being used and was stacked near the beach... so we'd go play in those as they filled with sand.

Go on then be agreeable and tell me your agreeable solution….

acutally, i was saying that it would be agreeable for us to have different views on how the issue of immorality should be addressed. my views different than what is oft found as the Islamic view for handling these things, which is probably as we'd expect seeing as how i'm not Muslim

I agree with you in part, men must be responsible for their own actions and controlling their own urges. Non Muslim men manage to look at women in bikini’s without either having to rape them or go insane, so why can’t Muslim men. The obvious answer is they can and do. I read a comment by a Muslim scholar recently that stated that men were basically ‘unable’ to control their urges, perhaps he should have rephrased it to say HE couldn’t. Honestly, I despair at some of the things Muslim men sometimes.

indeed. one often imputes ones own failings and views unto the whole of humanity and in doing so often draws inaccurate conclusions about a great many things. i would agree, i suspect this person was unable to control their own thoughts and thus is trying to excuse them by laying the responsibility for them on someone else. though i'm pretty confident that, even in Islam, such things are highly dubious and not likely to succeed.

However a question has arisen, over the past 20 years or so, in the west of whether the dress and behaviour of women contributes to rape – usually through court cases. I am in no way excusing rape but I do think it raises the issue for women.

this is an issue raised by men that are guilty of raping a woman and are seeking to excuse their behavior.

if you were to see a jar full of money sitting on someones table, even if they leave the room, you should not take it. If you do, it is not the other person that is responsible for your theft, it is you and you alone.

i find the entire argument invalid and without merit, i.e. that the way a woman dresses provokes a man to commit a crime.

This situation we find ourselves is has come from men not from G-d.

therein lies the rub, doesn't it?

Thankyou. No offense meant to Christian women but could you imagine if they decided to wear easter bonnets all year as a sign and symbol of their faith. Would everyone believe them to be oppressed? Would governments ban the wearing of easter bonnets?

Salaam

they wouldn't be Easter bonnets then, would they? in any event, it would certainly depend on the government. if you lived in, say Burma, you'd do what the government instructed or you'd be killed... if you lived in, say the Dominican Republic, you would probably make your own choice based on your own moral compass.

that said, there are plenty of Christian types that wear head coverings all the time, the Quakers and Amish come to mind.

many beings believe that their deity cares about their clothing, what it looks like, how it fits them, what it covers and what it does not. i have, personally, found this feature of deistic traditions to be very strange and seems to be more of a matter of control over the populace by religious authority than anything else.

metta,

~v

[Muslimwoman]

quote=Vajradhara;105269]whilst that is certainly the case, the fact remains that many Muslims derive a great deal of their guidance from the various written Hadith chains, Bukhari seems to be a very popular one.[/quote]

Certainly and I myself gain guidance from some hadiths but I am very sceptical as to the authenticity of some, even collected by Bukhari. Bukhari collected hundreds of thousands of hadiths and by a process of elimination collected together just 7,000 (if memory serves me correctly) which he classified. He eliminated those he felt were down right lies, little white lies and very weak. However we still have things such as "a group of monkeys arrested another monkey for adultery and stoned it to death and I helped". This is sheer nonsense and I cannot take it seriously. My view is that I search the books of hadith and accept those that are in line with the Quran and reject those that are not. The idea, to me, that you must follow the hadiths blindly and accept all of them as factual is just plain silly.

[quote=Vajradhara;105269]"chinese whispers"? this phrase carries a certain connotation that i would like to understand before i respond. what do you mean, exactly, by this phrase?

This was a game we played as children (no idea why it is called Chinese whispers but I intended no racial slur). The first person reads a card and whispers the contents to the next person and so it goes on until the last person. Invariably by the time it gets to the last person and they shout it out it is just nonsense and bears little resemblance to the original saying.

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

well.. it is easy enough for four views to be correct, it simply depends on their perspective.. in any event, this is one of the issues that makes it difficult for a non Muslim to discourse about Islam, without a central orthodoxy, as it were, it is quite muddled about the correct view within Islam and so forth.

This is the problem, many Muslims themselves do not understand it. We are not talking about scholarly discussions but about pronouncements that have real and profound effects on peoples lives. I have no problem accepting that 4 men can have a discussion, all with different views and all be correct according to their understanding but when you take that out into the real world it has a damaging affect.

For one school to decide that the marriage of a woman raped by her father in law is dissolved, she has committed adultery (even though forced) and she must therefore leave her husband and then you have the other schools saying this is not correct, with no choice for the woman to go to another school for a ruling - I simply cannot accept that they are all right. The Quran is simply not that ambiguous and these issues arise from power/political ambition

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

on a more practical slant.. it is quite clear that

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

Jordan and Syria have sufficient land to create a sepearte Palestinian state, if they would so choose. why they have not done so is certainly suspect, in my mind.

Jolly good question, sounds like a dig your heals in situation. Get what is yours and we will back you all the way, from a distance whilst not in any danger. Such a sad situation.

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

indeed. one often imputes ones own failings and views unto the whole of humanity and in doing so often draws inaccurate conclusions about a great many things. i would agree, i suspect this person was unable to control their own thoughts and thus is trying to excuse them by laying the responsibility for them on someone else. though i'm pretty confident that, even in Islam, such things are highly dubious and not likely to succeed.

I wish that were the case, this rhetoric was not an isolated case. My experience here is that men are taught from childhood that they have urges that ‘must’ be met and they go insane if they are not dealt with. Then of course they are taught to be modest, masturbation is a sin and stay ‘pure’ until marriage. To me it is simply setting up the young men to fail and leaves them concerned about their sanity.

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

this is an issue raised by men that are guilty of raping a woman and are seeking to excuse their behavior.

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

if you were to see a jar full of money sitting on someones table, even if they leave the room, you should not take it. If you do, it is not the other person that is responsible for your theft, it is you and you alone.

i find the entire argument invalid and without merit, i.e. that the way a woman dresses provokes a man to commit a crime.

As a western woman I have to say I feel differently but I accept that may be because of my life here now. The issue of date rape has been a concern for some time now, of course there is no excuse for rape but does women’s behavior (not just dress) somehow contribute to this? I feel confident that if I was raped now I could feel certain I had done nothing to contribute to this action. Whereas when I lived in the west I would have to consider whether my dress and my behavior had done something to contribute. In short, I would now be able to deal with the aftermath in a much clearer way, I could accept it as entirely the fault of the man rather than feel I must question myself. I am not suggesting women should feel this way but when you talk to rape victims guilt, albeit unwarranted, is always a large factor.

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

they wouldn't be Easter bonnets then, would they? in any event,

Oh okay straw boaters then or French berets.

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

that said, there are plenty of Christian types that wear head coverings all the time, the Quakers and Amish come to mind.

And how many newspaper articles have you read about them being oppressed? There are many women around the world that dress differently for reasons of culture, religion and indeed fashion but I do not hear people screaming out that they are oppressed.

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

many beings believe that their deity cares about their clothing, what it looks like, how it fits them, what it covers and what it does not. i have, personally, found this feature of deistic traditions to be very strange and seems to be more of a matter of control over the populace by religious authority than anything else.

For me it is not about the actual dress, I dress to be modest is all. I do not believe G-d cares if I wear black or blue or green, if it has flowers on or stripes, He simply calls for me to be modest and not to show my body off to the world. Some days I wear abaya and others I wear jeans and a long blouse (always with my head covered). I try not to be too influenced by religious authority, I follow what my heart interprets as modest, hence I do not walk around in a bikini.

Salaam

[panderson]

Well ... There could be a reason:

Is it today in Egypt allowed to 52 years old men to marry 6 years old babies and consume the marriage when they're nine?

[panderson]

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[Vajradhara]

Namaste Muslimwoman,

thank you for the post.

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman/

My view is that I search the books of hadith and accept those that are in line with the Quran and reject those that are not. The idea, to me, that you must follow the hadiths blindly and accept all of them as factual is just plain silly.

that seems like a sensible approach to take.

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman[/quote

This is the problem, many Muslims themselves do not understand it. We are not talking about scholarly discussions but about pronouncements that have real and profound effects on peoples lives. I have no problem accepting that 4 men can have a discussion, all with different views and all be correct according to their understanding but when you take that out into the real world it has a damaging affect.

it would certainly depend on the content of the discussion i should think. we are all, in one way or another, expressing the correctess of our views according to our understanding.. i submit that we do not possess the understanding of others regardless of how lucid they may make their points.

I wish that were the case, this rhetoric was not an isolated case. My experience here is that men are taught from childhood that they have urges that ‘must’ be met and they go insane if they are not dealt with. Then of course they are taught to be modest, masturbation is a sin and stay ‘pure’ until marriage. To me it is simply setting up the young men to fail and leaves them concerned about their sanity.

setting up ideology against biology and a conflict will arise without fail, in my view. i'm never a fan of a 'one size fits all' approach to moral or religious teachings.. each being is unique and requires just what they need.. and nothing else.

As a western woman I have to say I feel differently but I accept that may be because of my life here now.

you would take the money simply because someone left it out in the open?

The issue of date rape has been a concern for some time now, of course there is no excuse for rape but does women’s behavior (not just dress) somehow contribute to this?

no. in no uncertain terms. each being is responsible for their own actions and i'm fairly sure that most religious doctrines would agree with this view. does that mean that a person could not be provoked into an act of aggression? of course not.. that can, and does, happen. that does not, however, remove the responsiblity of ones actions.

I feel confident that if I was raped now I could feel certain I had done nothing to contribute to this action.

since rape has nothing to do, per se, with the woman.. there's no real method that you could ascertain this. perhaps your very unattainability provoked the assailiant? there is really no way to know that you didn't contribute, in some small way... is there?

do you see how dangerous that line of thinking is??

Whereas when I lived in the west I would have to consider whether my dress and my behavior had done something to contribute. In short, I would now be able to deal with the aftermath in a much clearer way, I could accept it as entirely the fault of the man rather than feel I must question myself.

because it is *entirely* the criminals fault, in all ways and in all cases.

I am not suggesting women should feel this way but when you talk to rape victims guilt, albeit unwarranted, is always a large factor.

sorry, i'll have none of that.

that a woman feels guilty about being the victim of a crime is certainly the result of cultural conditioning and social mores that sigmatise the victim and protect the criminal by trying to insinuate that he had "no choice" or "she was asking for it."

And how many newspaper articles have you read about them being oppressed?

hmm.. well... in American history, at least, both of those groups were victims of severe persecution. if you'd like to read about how they are losing their disctintive culture and way of life, i'd be happy to find something for you.

There are many women around the world that dress differently for reasons of culture, religion and indeed fashion but I do not hear people screaming out that they are oppressed.

in some cases, they are. in others they are not. blanket statements covering vast swaths of humanity are rarely informative or accurate. the view of one as being oppressed is, in my opinion, formed from a notion of some fundamental human rights... and not all beings share the same opinion regarding those rights.

metta,

~v

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by panderson

Well ... There could be a reason:

Is it today in Egypt allowed to 52 years old men to marry 6 years old babies and consume the marriage when they're nine?

Sorry this thread hasn't been coming up on my User Cp, so I wasn't ignoring it.

No it is not true. The legal age limit for marriage in Egypt is 16 years. Men that have sex with children, under that age, are arrested and imprisoned regularly.

However, this is a modern concept, as most countries 1400 years ago allowed marriage and sex with young children.

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

you would take the money simply because someone left it out in the open?

Salaam Vajradhara

Of course I would not take the money but I would suggest to the owner that they should cover up the money, as they are inviting thieves to help themselves.

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

no. in no uncertain terms. each being is responsible for their own actions and i'm fairly sure that most religious doctrines would agree with this view. does that mean that a person could not be provoked into an act of aggression? of course not.. that can, and does, happen. that does not, however, remove the responsiblity of ones actions.

No it does not remove the responsibilities of ones actions. The same must be said for women. I am not talking about women who are attacked by violent men with a desire to control but men 'led' into acting violently to satisfy a sexual desire that the woman has deliberately aroused. If a woman chooses to go out half dressed, flirts like crazy and sends every 'come get me' signal in the book, in my view she has some responsibility for her actions. Am I saying the man is the victim .... no way, he should have more control but the woman has a degree of responsibility in how she acts.

May I give another example. A woman that goes to stay in a house with her friend and her friends husband. She has chosen to wear a tiny see through nightdress and parades around the house in front of the husband. Has that woman got any responsibility for any attempt the husband makes to commit adultery with her? I would say yes, she has provoked the situation. If the husband takes it one step further and crosses the line to rape, does that mean the woman did not provoke the friends husband, because it should be her right to parade around half naked in front of him?

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

since rape has nothing to do, per se, with the woman.. there's no real method that you could ascertain this. perhaps your very unattainability provoked the assailiant? there is really no way to know that you didn't contribute, in some small way... is there?

because it is *entirely* the criminals fault, in all ways and in all cases.

There are two types of rapist. Violent men that commit crimes, which have nothing to do with the woman or the act of sex, it is about control. Then there is rape, which is a tense sexual situation that goes too far. It was the latter I was talking about and these sitautions are not entirely the 'criminals' fault.

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

that a woman feels guilty about being the victim of a crime is certainly the result of cultural conditioning and social mores that sigmatise the victim and protect the criminal by trying to insinuate that he had "no choice" or "she was asking for it."

I have to strongly disagree with you there. My former work dealt with rapists and their victims. I am also a victim of rape myself. Society does not generally stigmatise a 'true' rape. That being a case where a man violently attacks a random woman or child. The feelings of guilt have nothing to do with religious belief, social mores or conditioning. In these cases it tends to be self examination, trying to answer the unanswerable question "why me, what did I do to deserve that". It comes from within, in an attempt to understand what has happened to you and it never leaves you. Women that have 'provoked' a situation, which has then gone too far tend not, in my experience, to struggle with the same feelings of guilt. They often feel ashamed that their behaviour led to an attack but they usually feel more angry than guilty. They generally say the same thing "but I said no", as though that completely mitigates their prior behaviour. Yes men should take no as no but in some situations women must accept that their behaviour contributed to the situation. That does not make what the man did right in any way.

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

hmm.. well... in American history, at least, both of those groups were victims of severe persecution. if you'd like to read about how they are losing their disctintive culture and way of life, i'd be happy to find something for you.

I would be very interested to read any links you could provide. Thank you.

Salaam