who took out parts of the bible!!!!!!!!! - Page 2

InLove · 08-01-2005, 07:55 PM

Hi, and Peace--

Interesting discussion, and educational. While I am not qualified to add much, I would address the following:

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

All protestants, come from Luther. That is a different story I suspect...

Well, from what I understand (and I have a feeling you know to what I refer), not all those who are called "Protestants" would necessarily agree, But like you say, perhaps it is a conversation better left for another day.

InPeace,
InLove

Freedom of Opinion · 08-02-2005, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by capthowdy

In my expirience...(by expirience i mean I have read many different versions).....I think certain parts were left out to better adapt to the different politics, if you will, of the different denominations. i was raised catholic myself, though I haven't been catholic since the day I was old enough to make a choice, but that doesn't mean I don't do my homework. Some reasons for the change in the bible is for better inertpretation, other reasons are for control.

Changing the bible controls interpertation. How can you expect ppl to interpert fully and correctly something to which they don't have all the facts? I think certain books are left out simply because they contridict what that group is trying to teach.
I do agree with you thou that you shouldn't rule out the other books if your looking to the bible.

Quahom1 · 08-02-2005, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by InLove

Hi, and Peace--

Interesting discussion, and educational. While I am not qualified to add much, I would address the following:

Well, from what I understand (and I have a feeling you know to what I refer), not all those who are called "Protestants" would necessarily agree, But like you say, perhaps it is a conversation better left for another day.

InPeace,
InLove

What? You mean me and my protesting but Catholic ways?...

Yeah, guess you're right.

I tell ya though, as soon as someone revives a Celtic Catholic Church, I'm there.

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Q

capthowdy · 08-02-2005, 02:25 AM

Freedom, I agree with you that's why I used the word politics...

Q, when they revive this church do you think they will use the same recruiting techniques to get convert people?

Quahom1 · 08-02-2005, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by capthowdy

Freedom, I agree with you that's why I used the word politics...

Q, when they revive this church do you think they will use the same recruiting techniques to get convert people?

No Cap, if you read your history...they waited for those to come to them. The place was called Ireland, and the year was 600 AD. And they did come.

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Q

InLove · 08-02-2005, 04:15 AM

Hi, Peace to All Here--

LOL--Q, I wasn't thinking back as far as the Celts, but now that you mention it...

(See ya there.)

InPeace,
InLove

capthowdy · 08-03-2005, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

No Cap, if you read your history...they waited for those to come to them. The place was called Ireland, and the year was 600 AD. And they did come.

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Q

I've read the history, the irish were there before 600 ad, though they were called gaels, they've been on that island since before the picts landed in britainia. I also know that when they couldn't be converted peacfully force was used........but this is getting way off topic and I'm not here to start some kind of crusade, forgive me for almost ranting there, I've got enough enemies I don't need more........*shuts up*

Quahom1 · 08-03-2005, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by capthowdy

I've read the history, the irish were there before 600 ad, though they were called gaels, they've been on that island since before the picts landed in britainia. I also know that when they couldn't be converted peacfully force was used........but this is getting way off topic and I'm not here to start some kind of crusade, forgive me for almost ranting there, I've got enough enemies I don't need more........*shuts up*

No sweat.

The Celts (or Irish Gaelics) arrived circa 400-350 BC. After the fall of Rome, and St. Patrick's time on Ireland (he was a British born citizen of Rome), circa 562 AD, the Irish took to heart (among other things), the love of writing. They not only wrote, they transcribed from one language to many others, all they could find in print. They also had an interesting sense of wit, in that they would pen annecdotes in the margines of the pages they wrote.

More important is the fact that for 150 or so years, their works literally kept the world from sociologically going back to the stone age. And they became monks, Abbots and "Abbesses" (female priests of the catholic order). Besides being teachers to all who would come to the island (most children of European feudal lords were sent there for education), they also preached the Christian doctrine (ala Irish style), traveling throughout Europe to do so.

When the Vatican sent an emmisary troop to Ireland to commend them for their good works for the church, the Bishops of Rome were shocked to find that a great many of the priests of Ireland were women. They promptly ordered their "guard" to dispatch these heathen heretics. However much to their shock and dismay, the guards and Bishops found their own throats threatened by the business end of double edged swords, held by the very women they were about to teach a lesson to.

(Irish monks were also warriors of significant stature).

The Abbesses got to remain ordained priests, needless to say, and the scribes continued to translate everything they could get their hands on...including the Bible. They left out no part, however there was no shortage of comments in the margines about things they found non logical, ludicrious, or hypocritical.

Ireland was never converted forcefully, thanks to Patricus (St. Patrick). See the Irish warriors were not afraid of dying, before Patrick, they were afraid of living. When Patrick came along (the second time), they were ready and ripe for the message of living hope. They ate the word up and were hungry for more.

Some argue that Christianity is what killed the blood lust in the Irish soul, and hence what caused them to become subjugated by the Norsemen after 750 AD.

For more on the subject, I suggest "How the Irish saved Civilization" by Thomas Cahill. Here is a link for further commentary: http://www.allaboutirish.com/library...rev-saved.shtm

Once you pick up the book, it is hard to put down.

I can tell you, you'll find that the Irish never removed a period from any books they transcribed, especially not the Bible. Though they had no problems making fun of parts of it...

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Q

capthowdy · 08-03-2005, 11:08 AM

right on, I know a little about the gaels, but ask me about the picts and I'll never shut up

btw I was I was baptized and had my first comunion in the catholic church

Quahom1 · 08-04-2005, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by capthowdy

right on, I know a little about the gaels, but ask me about the picts and I'll never shut up

btw I was I was baptized and had my first comunion in the catholic church

Well now, all ye gotta do is have yer confirmation, and yer all set!

Seriously, do as you are called to. As for me and mine, this is how we will follow The Lord...

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Q

p.s. I'd like to know about the "Picts". I thought all were one and the same, but I digress...

juantoo3 · 08-04-2005, 04:15 AM

Kindest Regards, Q!

Will wonders never cease? So there is a bit of historian in you! Tell me, are you familiar at all with the house of Tara? Or the Stone of Scone?

BTW, Kindest Regards to Capthowdy as well, and welcome to CR!

I too, would be interested to hear what you have to say about the Picts.

Quahom1 · 08-04-2005, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by juantoo3

Kindest Regards, Q!

Will wonders never cease? So there is a bit of historian in you! Tell me, are you familiar at all with the house of Tara? Or the Stone of Scone?

BTW, Kindest Regards to Capthowdy as well, and welcome to CR!

I too, would be interested to hear what you have to say about the Picts.

Oh damn, the secret is out...yes Juan, I'm a closet historian (I just can't get away from finding out facts about yesterday).

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Q

Quahom1 · 08-04-2005, 05:33 AM

Let's see, when Patricus lit the "fire", he was confronted by the King Loegaire, and the druids of Tara. The fire he lit (that lit the King's fuse), was the fire of Paschal. Tara was the heart of "pagan" Ireland, as I recall. Tara and the king and his "men" also protected society from the "otherworld", and did not quite know what to make of Patricus (he frightened them, despite his gentle demeanor). For he would also refuse to back down to anyone...and held about him a glow as if from the gods themselves.

The Stone of Scone, also known as "Jacob's pillar". It is supposedly gone with the decendants of Jacob, and resided within the House of Tara (eventually). The "stone" was part of the coronation of the various "kings of Ireland" from the 600s BC, until 500 AD, and was also called the "Stone of Destiny". Originally it was the stone that Jacob rested his head on. Problem with this story is that the Gaels do not appear in Ireland until 400 BC, which leaves about 200 years in question.

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juantoo3 · 08-04-2005, 04:40 PM

Kindest Regards, Q!

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Problem with this story is that the Gaels do not appear in Ireland until 400 BC, which leaves about 200 years in question.

OK. So if I am reading correctly (if not, please do correct me), you affiliate Jeremiah's escort with the Gaels? That is, the Gaels are the descendents of Judah?

BTW, my apologies if I seem to be contributing to derailing the thread.

Quahom1 · 08-05-2005, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by juantoo3

Kindest Regards, Q!

OK. So if I am reading correctly (if not, please do correct me), you affiliate Jeremiah's escort with the Gaels? That is, the Gaels are the descendents of Judah?

BTW, my apologies if I seem to be contributing to derailing the thread.

Some do make that claim Juan (to Gaels once belonging to one of the tribes of Israel. I do not know. What I do see is the timing being off, to a point where doubt comes in as to:

1. When the Gaels arrived in Ireland or

2. If the Gaels are related to any tribe of Israel.

What I do find puzzling is that they knew of the story of the stone, and considered it hallowed. Also, Gaelic phenomes have a peculiar echo of the semitic languages.

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Q