Where is the Satainist section?

[China Cat Sunflower]

I too wish to fly under the radar. I'm kind of a minimalist. I like to dress very plainly. I refuse to wear anyone's branding. If they want me to walk around like a billboard for Nike or Tommy whatever his name is I think they should pay me and provide the apparel for free. I like nice things, but I want to have as few of them as I can possibly get away with. Quality, not quantity kind of thing.

I didn't mean to pick on you Noctuary, just wanted to provoke conversation. I like tattoos too!

Chris

[noctuary]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

I too wish to fly under the radar. I'm kind of a minimalist. I like to dress very plainly. I refuse to wear anyone's branding. If they want me to walk around like a billboard for Nike or Tommy whatever his name is I think they should pay me and provide the apparel for free. I like nice things, but I want to have as few of them as I can possibly get away with. Quality, not quantity kind of thing.

I didn't mean to pick on you Noctuary, just wanted to provoke conversation. I like tattoos too!

Chris

I am all for being questioned and challenged by people. I enjoy it. I don't enjoy people being disrespectful of my chosen belief system as I am not of theirs. I want to make a big distinction here. I am not some anti theist. I don't HATE religion. I just hate religious ignorant people. There is a big difference that has more to do with a mouth babbling then an ear hearing. And with that I am off to go visit my mom. I need to give her her allowance and pay her rent at the old people's home.

[path_of_one]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

I too wish to fly under the radar. I'm kind of a minimalist. I like to dress very plainly. I refuse to wear anyone's branding. If they want me to walk around like a billboard for Nike or Tommy whatever his name is I think they should pay me and provide the apparel for free.

I'm not a minimalist, but I also refuse to wear branding. I feel similarly- if I'm going to be a marketing ploy for them, I should get paid.

[juantoo3]

Kindest Regards, Path!

Thank you for your response!

Originally Posted by path_of_one

I can try to elaborate on the differences between Satanism and other Nature religions if you want, but I think the basic distinction of atheism vs. theism is one of the biggest. Also, the other nature religions typically avoid Satan all together as both symbol and personal being, because he is a Christian/Jewish/Islam based character, and most of them are going for non-Christian/Jewish/Islam references.

Further, Satanism tends to focus on the self and what gets you what you want, as opposed to focusing on service to society/the Earth/others. So, it is more akin to just plain magic to me than to any of the Earth-based religions. Hope that helps some. Most Wiccans and Druids are staunchly against the ego-centrism of Satanism and try to distance themselves from being associated in any way with it, but then that may also be because of its negative associations for the broader society.

Seems to me I heard explained once before, pre-CR, about the self "focus" in Satanism. I guess I just didn't make the connection (or disconnection rather) compared to earth religions. I'm only ever so slightly more familiar with them, and magic is an academic thing to me. I am aware of it, but I do not overtly and knowingly practice it, and there is a bit of a religiously indoctrinated hedge against it within my faith walk. I tend to skirt the edges on the subject, primarily out of my own ignorance.

Originally Posted by path_of_one

LOL, actually, my dad is really into bluegrass aside from rock. And my husband is fairly punk, but adores Johnny Cash. I like Johnny Cash too; my muscial tastes are very eclectic.

Well, I know there's a lot of new found converts to Johnny Cash after he and his loving wife passed away in the last couple of years, combined with the Joaquin Phoenix movie last year. I'm not pointing any fingers, just making an observation. Haven't seen the movie yet, and not really interested in doing so, although I saw it got an Oscar nod. I vicariously witnessed the running commentary play by play. Dad had the original vinyl releases on the Sun record label, that's how long ago and how into Johnny Cash he was. I think I had (still have!) half of the man's lyrics up to 1970 memorized.

Originally Posted by path_of_one

That's why it's all about personal motivation. My family doesn't *try* to be extreme, and they don't feel that they are. They just do and think what they want, and other people label them extreme. Inevitably, everyone will appear to conform to something, because it's pretty hard to come up with anything genuinely new. After all, we've had thousands of years of people coming up with stuff, so there's nothing new under the sun. For some of us, it's not about being a part of a group, it's just about doing what feels most like "me." Both my husband and I generally have our tattoos covered in public. It wasn't something either of us did for attention and "extremism" (which it isn't anyway in our generation, something like half the people I meet have them). All of our tattoos hold deep meaning- it's about marking the outside with what is on the inside, claiming the body as one's own.

That was one thing about the Southern California School system (specifically the Los Angeles County Public school system), they were ahead of the times generally regarding inter-racial relations. I went to school with kids of every race and many cultures; white, mexican, black, asian, even a hindu girl and a cuban boy fresh from those countries. And we all thought nothing of it.

By High School I had moved to the Central Valley, new kid in town with no connections, and no preferred clique. Still there were white kids, and mexicans mostly, but armenians were a strong minority and I found myself befriending a number of them. I also discovered that Polish women are quite beautiful to me. I relish homemade kielbasa every bit as much as I relish homemade tamales.

Originally Posted by path_of_one

That's interesting. My mother calls me the chameleon, because I'm really good at it. I can also pick up local dialects, mannerisms, etc. within days. It serves me well for work, and it makes nearly everyone comfortable if they meet me when I'm in that mode.

Yep, with me it's a part of my diabolical plan TO RULE THE WORLD!!! <he says as he rubs his hands in that fiendishly mad-scientist sort of way>

Originally Posted by path_of_one

And my ideology and actions are in some ways more threatening to people than anything "extreme" on the outside. You should see the shock when I tell people I don't watch TV (well, sometimes Nova or the travel channel, but no regular shows). Or that I buy most of my clothing used or from a small select group of manufacturers that I know aren't violating labor rights in sweatshops. Or that I don't care about the size of someone's house, what kind of car they drive, etc. People find that more of a stumbling block than how I look. Unfortunately, quite a few people take it to be patronizing or condescending. But it isn't. It is just being honest.

In that John Muir, H. D. Thoreau, Rachel Carson sort of way I do understand. It was my wife that dragged me kicking and screaming back to the city just this past summer. I gotta keep her happy too.

Originally Posted by path_of_one

Eek! Everyone needs people because it is part of being human.

... the world isn't the really crappy place that the media and many religions say that it is. It's filled with mostly nice people and some of them are really quite interesting.

I agree. The world *is* a beautiful place, and by far the vast majority of the people I have met are wonderful people, all trying to direct their lives in the most moral manner they understand.

Hypothetically, if I ever were to snap, it would be over *the system.* Ever see the Michael Douglas movie "Falling Down?" If I were to snap, it would be over playing the game dutifully as I have been taught by "them" and getting screwed by "them" in the end anyway.

Rat Race Rules:

1. the Rats win.

2. you're not a Rat.

3. you can't win.

4. you can't break even.

5. you will lose.

6. you must play the game, no exceptions.

[path_of_one]

Hi, 123!

Seems to me I heard explained once before, pre-CR, about the self "focus" in Satanism. I guess I just didn't make the connection (or disconnection rather) compared to earth religions. I'm only ever so slightly more familiar with them, and magic is an academic thing to me. I am aware of it, but I do not overtly and knowingly practice it, and there is a bit of a religiously indoctrinated hedge against it within my faith walk. I tend to skirt the edges on the subject, primarily out of my own ignorance.

I don't practice magic. Well, at least not ceremonial or high magic. I have done energy work, but I don't think it's the same thing. Or maybe it is through different means. That's a whole conversation unto itself- trying to define magic and pick it apart from what is simply will ---> action/result. I'm more aware of types of magic academically than personally, since I sort of rebel against ceremonial magic myself, which isn't necessary for Druidry anyway.

Well, I know there's a lot of new found converts to Johnny Cash after he and his loving wife passed away in the last couple of years, combined with the Joaquin Phoenix movie last year.

My husband has liked Johnny Cash's music since he was a kid. He grew up in a relatively conservative Baptist household. I just like all kinds of music. I'm not a huge Cash fan or anything, but I like practically everything that has a melody and isn't screaming at me. LOL So I don't complain when I'm listening to Cash.

I relish homemade kielbasa every bit as much as I relish homemade tamales.

Yum.

I agree. The world *is* a beautiful place, and by far the vast majority of the people I have met are wonderful people, all trying to direct their lives in the most moral manner they understand.

Yep. They may often drive me crazy, but "I think to myself, it's a wonderful world."

If I were to snap, it would be over playing the game dutifully as I have been taught by "them" and getting screwed by "them" in the end anyway.

I get mostly frustrated and depressed by the big issues: war, violence, harm to the earth. I feel these things intensely and sometimes I can barely stand it, but what can you do? I think sometimes that my purpose might simply to be the one that cries over what harms beings. There is some spiritual purpose in just caring, as opposed to being sucked into everyday life so much that one ceases to notice.

That said, I try not to play the game. I play it as little as possible, and with as much subtle deviance as I can. Maybe it's because I wasn't properly socialized?

It also helps to laugh at the game. I don't take myself too seriously, or anyone else for that matter. I do take issues and principles seriously, but I think we'd all be alot better off if we learned to see how silly much of our lives are.

Rat Race Rules:

1. the Rats win.

2. you're not a Rat.

3. you can't win.

4. you can't break even.

5. you will lose.

6. you must play the game, no exceptions

Oh, but no one *must* play the game. The first step is acknowledging to the extent you play, it is your choice. Anyone *could* opt out, but we decide the trade-offs are worth it.

[Francis king]

shocking pink?

[heavensblade23]

Anton LaVey should be taken with a huge grain of salt. Rolling Stone did an article looking into a lot of claims made in his biography and most of them were found to be false. He was born Howard Stanton Levey for one.

[Alex P]

Originally Posted by heavensblade23

Anton LaVey should be taken with a huge grain of salt. Rolling Stone did an article looking into a lot of claims made in his biography and most of them were found to be false. He was born Howard Stanton Levey for one.

*Chuckles....*

Still a good read..... Most religious icons.... Should be taken with that grain of salt

[Eclectic Mystic]

I'd like to know why this is in the Magick forum.

[dauer]

Still a good read..... Most religious icons.... Should be taken with that grain of salt

Fresh, unsalted religious icons:

Category:Religious computer icons - Wikimedia Commons

Provide yer own salt. Get 'em while they're hot.

[wil]

Originally Posted by Eclectic Mystic

I'd like to know why this is in the Magick forum.

I'm guessing that is where the original poster three years ago thought it would be most likely he'd get an answer. I'm thinking because the two have crossed paths before, ie if you go into a store that has books and trinkets pertaining to magick you'd also find satanic stuff as well. And many from the outside of either would tend to group them together...

But all that is conjecture.

[path_of_one]

My guess is because Satanism uses ceremonial magic and there isn't a clear place for it to go on these forums.