where did all the water go?

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by Dream

I hold the Genesis account with much higher respect, but its interesting that the Gilgamesh Epic mentions a local flood.

And yet of course, Gilgamesh were a far more interesting band than Genesis ever were.

s.

[mee]

Jesus christ believed in the flood and he always told the truth.

[wil]

Originally Posted by mee

Jesus christ believed in the flood and he always told the truth.

Namaste mee,

Last time he and ye were talking what did he say about the flood?

[Tao_Equus]

There is also my favourite. which has a substantial weight of marine archaeological evidence now supporting it, of the Black Sea Inundation.

This is quite a good link to NG which discusses that and the many other flood myths.

National Geographic: Noah’s Flood/Black Sea Expedition

[wil]

Yes when one looks at the Mississippi River floods and farmland and countryside is underwater for miles...as far as the eye can see. Without the aid of modern boats and helicopters one would surely think the entire world was under water.

With ice caps and glacier melts today, with anticipated sea level risings I wonder if we'll have anything similar to the Black Sea flooding. I've seen the shoreline pictures, and surely New Orleans would be in the path, but I wonder what else will dramatically fill up when the sea crests some mark and a river begins to reverse....

[Dream]

Los Angeles is usually where it happens in the movies.

[Pathless]

Originally Posted by wil

I wonder what else will dramatically fill up when the sea crests some mark and a river begins to reverse....

Rivers reversing? I haven't thought about that yet. Damn. That has frightening implications.

The more I think about climate change, the more intricate and prone to catastrophe it becomes. A small degree of change may seem inconsequential at face value, but once we start taking into account that changes create systems of feedback that lead to more change, we see how interconnected and balanced/dynamic climate is.

My fiance was at a conference yesterday where someone was speaking about climate change. This person said that global temperatures have risen .6 degrees (I'm not sure about what the time frame is on that rise). That might not seem like a whole lot, but when complemented by this other bit of information--if global temperature dropped 2 degrees celsius, the Earth would be in an ice age--it becomes quite a bit more significant.

[Pathless]

Originally Posted by Dream

Los Angeles is usually where it happens in the movies.

Considering the amount of concrete/pavement in Los Angeles, and its location right next to the Pacific, those movies might not be as sensational as they often appear.

Except for Escape from L.A.

[Dream]

There is also my favourite. which has a substantial weight of marine archaeological evidence now supporting it, of the Black Sea Inundation.

Cool. If I understand correctly, the flood was meant to cleanse a violent country of its population but not to completely change the landscape. The major rivers used as geographical reference points in Genesis exist before and after the flood.

The L!RD's nation Israel is often represented as 'Earth' in the scriptures, so going backwards into Genesis it makes sense to me that the flood destroying the earth refers to a previous nation that was destroyed before Israel. I suspect the idea is that the L!RD did destroy in the past another 'Israel' completely, starting over with Noah. It seems like this is the background for the account in which Moses intercedes with the L!RD for Israel. I suggest that when the L!RD threatened to wipe Israel off the map and start over with Moses, Moses knew that there was already a precedent for it. The L!RD's people had been destroyed before -- whatever nation Noah had come from.

Originally Posted by Exodus 32:9-10

And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people: Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.

I suppose it was by his knowledge of Jewish tradition that Paul says Noah condemned the 'world' by going into the ark (Hebrews 11:7). This then creates a huge contrast between Noah and Moses (who look so much alike in pictures!) Noah condemned sin and humanity when he entered the ark, but Moses interceded for the man, condemning only the sin. This is a sacred part of the Christian tradition, the basis for many things. No doubt we got it from the Jews.

Originally Posted by I Peter 3:20-21

Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

[mee]

Originally Posted by wil

Namaste mee,

Last time he and ye were talking what did he say about the flood?

(Matthew 24:38, 39) is where Jesus referred to the flood .
In addition to the Genesis account, there are many references to Noah or the Deluge by others in in the Bible.

[wil]

Originally Posted by mee

(Matthew 24:38, 39) is where Jesus referred to the flood .
In addition to the Genesis account, there are many references to Noah or the Deluge by others in in the Bible.

Namaste mee,

Do you think since Jesus used so much metaphor, analogy and parable in his speak it may be because he saw it in the scripture he studied?

This passage in particular he indicates that we won't know what is coming, one family was told just in time for the occasion yet no one else knew. Funny today how so many believe they know....just like then?

[Dream]

In response to what Tao-Equus posted: This site looks like an interesting introduction to flood archeology. It gives more detail about Tao-Equus' pet theory about the Black Sea and discusses linguistics. Its seems like a very ambitious site, though. It also tries to identify Moses as a certain priest of Thebes, among other things. Lots of Bibleography, so we can look things up!

[juantoo3]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

There is also my favourite. which has a substantial weight of marine archaeological evidence now supporting it, of the Black Sea Inundation.

This is quite a good link to NG which discusses that and the many other flood myths.

National Geographic: Noah’s Flood/Black Sea Expedition

Ah! Ballard! The fellow who found the Titanic. I was much less impressed by this particular work (a shame really, he has done so much better research on other things). I did learn a bit about the Black Sea though, like how there is a "dead zone" beneath a certain depth, unlike any other large water body on Earth.

Now, a really good geologist who tackled the Flood problem is Glen Morton. I'll see if I can find a link to his stuff...

Here we go:

Noah's Flood Page

Which is a master list of a number of articles about the Flood by Morton, including:

Review of John Woodmorappe's Book

Global Flood

and this:

Black Sea Flood

which refutes the Black Sea theory with the substantial weight of multiple geologic researchers and the trade publication Marine Geology.

[juantoo3]

Originally Posted by Dream

Los Angeles is usually where it happens in the movies.

It was also where a real live dam burst happened above L.A. many years ago. That is why the arroyos have been paved, which turns them into a really neat place to stage various movie scenes like the drag race in Grease and the chase scene in Terminator 2 (?) with the tow truck and the motorcycle.

It's kinda funny to drive across the delta of the Los Angeles river, a bridge I remember as a kid being about a mile or so across, but it seemed like a person could step across the water in the river below...

March 12, 1928: To Die in L.A.

The St. Francis Dam Disaster : NPR

It took over five and a half hours for the waters to reach the Pacific Ocean. As the wave approached Montalvo, flood waters hit speeds of five miles per hour. Bodies were recovered in the Pacific Ocean - as far south as the Mexican border.

Remembering the St. Francis Dam - 80 years later

A little about the L.A. river (such as it is):

Numerous films, video games, and television programs have featured various sites along the Los Angeles River, many of which involve the river as a sinister plot location. Films that include the river, Chinatown, Them!, Blue Thunder, Escape from L.A., Terminator 2: Judgment Day, Grease, Volcano, Point Blank, Roadblock, Hot Rod Girl, Blood In Blood Out , Boomtown, Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, Midnight Club II, Rize, The Core, Repo Man, The Italian Job, Point Break, Gone in 60 Seconds,Transformers (2007 film), 24 (TV series), The Gumball Rally, To Live and Die in L.A., The First Power, and many others.

Los Angeles River - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Like, gnarly dude! Totally righteous!

[mee]

Originally Posted by wil

Namaste mee,

Do you think since Jesus used so much metaphor, analogy and parable in his speak it may be because he saw it in the scripture he studied?

This passage in particular he indicates that we won't know what is coming, one family was told just in time for the occasion yet no one else knew. Funny today how so many believe they know....just like then?

38 For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark; 39 and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken along and the other be abandoned; 41 two women will be grinding at the hand mill: one will be taken along and the other be abandoned. 42 Keep on the watch, therefore, because YOU do not know on what day YOUR Lord is coming.


yes , today is just as it was in Noahs day, people take no note of the way to salvation.

but just carry on doing the normal things , not that the normal things are wrong , they are not wrong, but to carry on and ignore the warnings that are being made known will end in tears just as it did in Noahs day .

when the flood did happen it was not Noah who shut the door of the ark but it was God himself .

now in this time of the end the warning is going out to put our trust in the GOODNEWS of the kingdom. matthew 24;14.

it is for a witness, or in other words to put people on notice .

but there will come a time when Jehovah will shut the door of the way to salvation. some will be saved in the great tribulation , and some will have chosen to not respond to the GOODNEWS.


yes NOW is the day of salvation , no one knows the day or hour when things will break out , but responding to the GOODNEWS and getting on board with the rest of the GREAT CROWD is the thing to do because then we can get through the GREAT TRIBULATION REVELATION 7;9-10,14,

It will be to late when Jehovah shuts the symbolic door .