When will conflicting ever end?

[Bandit]

i think it might all end if we all stopped talking about religion & politics .

I am sure it would all end if the power control freaks would leave the peaceful people alone, but we know that is not going to happen, not any time soon i dont think.

[arthra]

Originally Posted by Bandit

i think it might all end if we all stopped talking about religion & politics .

I am sure it would all end if the power control freaks would leave the peaceful people alone, but we know that is not going to happen, not any time soon i dont think.

I think people are trying to resolve conflicts in the world and are beginning to do this through discussions. But it must not stop there. We need to actively cooperate and collaborate with each other from the local level of community to the international level. So starting at the local community the various churches, temples, synagogues and mosques and other groups can form inter-faith groups representing the various religions where they live. These groups find that although they have unique diverse views and doctrinal positions, there are important causes that need attention, such as issues of poverty and homelessness or racial prejudice or other issues.

People who aggressively support their own church or particular religion as "superior" to others are less likely to grasp the significance of the need to work together and rather than unity are sometimes spreading tension and ill will, this is unfortunate and wastes valuable energies that need to be focused on the more important issues facing society as a whole. Instead of seeing "Satan" behind every bush, they need to work together with their brothers and sisters for the common good.

[path_of_one]

Amen to that!

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by arthra

I think people are trying to resolve conflicts in the world and are beginning to do this through discussions. But it must not stop there. We need to actively cooperate and collaborate with each other from the local level of community to the international level. So starting at the local community the various churches, temples, synagogues and mosques and other groups can form inter-faith groups representing the various religions where they live. These groups find that although they have unique diverse views and doctrinal positions, there are important causes that need attention, such as issues of poverty and homelessness or racial prejudice or other issues.

People who aggressively support their own church or particular religion as "superior" to others are less likely to grasp the significance of the need to work together and rather than unity are sometimes spreading tension and ill will, this is unfortunate and wastes valuable energies that need to be focused on the more important issues facing society as a whole. Instead of seeing "Satan" behind every bush, they need to work together with their brothers and sisters for the common good.

yes. but i dont think all the pen & paper & talking in the world is going to change the many conflicts. it is the way it is & has always been this way, for a reason. People have been discussing since ..i dont know.
Looks good on paper, sounds good in speech..but there is a reality.

[Postmaster]

but there is a reality.

Never is never has been, you have to be a victim to understand we actaully do live in a Cynical world, and it's no suprise that Jesus Chrsit shared some of the Ancient Greek philosophers views of the Cynics, so much so they believe he may have had influence, or maybe the Cynics made way for Christ, anyway, its no suprise why the Roman and Greek people Loved Jesus Chrsit.. Evil exists you may also be a victim of it one day, and you will be running to Christ, whose name is so powerful towards evil.

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

Never is never has been, you have to be a victim to understand we actaully do live in a Cynical world, and it's no suprise that Jesus Chrsit shared some of the Ancient Greek philosophers views of the Cynics, so much so they believe he may have had influence, or maybe the Cynics made way for Christ, anyway, its no suprise why the Roman and Greek people Loved Jesus Chrsit.. Evil exists you may also be a victim of it one day, and you will be running to Christ, whose name is so powerful towards evil.

Nice Postmaster. evil does exist & this is where the conflicts start through a bad intent, but some think it does not exist & somehow there bad intent is not bad to them.
Collaborating with a bad intent does not resolve the issues. I think of the men who sought to find Daniel guilty, so they had to make up a lie, but it failed.

Jesus is the rock of my salvation, the stone that the builders rejected & yes there is power there

[arthra]

Originally Posted by Bandit

yes. but i dont think all the pen & paper & talking in the world is going to change the many conflicts. it is the way it is & has always been this way, for a reason. People have been discussing since ..i dont know.
Looks good on paper, sounds good in speech..but there is a reality.

I agree it does look good on paper and it's a good blueprint i think to start.

The problem is we leave it to someone else to do ...or look for a solution somewhere else...forgetting that it has to start with ourselves in our local communities where we live.

There will always be those who will "poo-poo" the effort or say no man is too evil and it's hopeless. Don't worry about them. As things develope and if they really care they can also join the effort somewhere down the line.

Our Inter-faith council where i live has been working hard for several years and we currently have members representing the major faith groups: Major Christian denominations; Moslems; Jews and some Hindus and Baha'is.

You have to start in your community and help build it yourself...

When you start it will be very hard work, but the rewards for everyone are well worth the effort!

- Art

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by arthra

I agree it does look good on paper and it's a good blueprint i think to start.

The problem is we leave it to someone else to do ...or look for a solution somewhere else...forgetting that it has to start with ourselves in our local communities where we live.

There will always be those who will "poo-poo" the effort or say no man is too evil and it's hopeless. Don't worry about them. As things develope and if they really care they can also join the effort somewhere down the line.

Our Inter-faith council where i live has been working hard for several years and we currently have members representing the major faith groups: Major Christian denominations; Moslems; Jews and some Hindus and Baha'is.

You have to start in your community and help build it yourself...

When you start it will be very hard work, but the rewards for everyone are well worth the effort!

- Art

i think you are right, we have to do it & start it ourselves. Some never try.
it seems whenever some are trying to do good or resolve conflict, there will be someone who goes poo poo. We might all even be a bit guilty of this at times.
i think good does eventually come out of a bad situation & the goodness of the Lord will prevail.

[Geist]

I believe that conflict never ends because its a part of us. We have always been at war with something a country a person ourselves. The only way to leave conflict is to end life because we may get rid of conflict in socity but there will always be inner conflict between two things in our minds.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by Geist

I believe that conflict never ends because its a part of us. We have always been at war with something a country a person ourselves. The only way to leave conflict is to end life because we may get rid of conflict in socity but there will always be inner conflict between two things in our minds.

Incredibly astute observation Geist, especially the part about the two things. The belief in dualism, or two powers has caused all the conflict in society. There are those who believe that there is only one power in the universe, and the idea that there are actually two is a human construct. As the Buddha said, it is our ignorance that is the cause of suffering.

[Geist]

Originally Posted by Paladin

As the Buddha said, it is our ignorance that is the cause of suffering.

Is it our ignorance? Or is it our frame of mind? Having full knowladge of the situation but not being able to acept is what I believe to be mankinds greatest flaw.

[Paladin]

We agree completely Geist, I think being unaware, and unable to accept is the height of ignorance. Cognitive reframing is necessary when our own thoughts lead us into trouble.

[Geist]

Originally Posted by Paladin

We agree completely Geist, I think being unaware, and unable to accept is the height of ignorance. Cognitive reframing is necessary when our own thoughts lead us into trouble.

It may be necessary but people won't accept it easily. You will have to fight for what you believe in like you have to fight for everything else you want in this world. Which inviolves conflic which is what your trying to avoid which puts you right back to the start again. So the whole exercise is ponitless.

[Paladin]

I does seem that way doesn't it? However, there is another perspective, another model of reality that doesn't conflict with the conventional, and rather provincial view of the world-as-we-see-it, it merely trancends it. This different model is what the great mystics saw, what inspired the poems of Rumi , Blake, and Gibran. To be able to see from this perspective though, it is necessary for us to be willing to change the way we see things, to come up a little higher.

There is an old spiritual adage that says: "Miracles occur in the space behind your eyes" It isn't wrong to see conflict, and despair in the world, it is only a viewpoint that can be superceded upon learning a new thing. If we are very fortunate, this process of growth happens again and again as we travel our life path. It is healthy, and, it is necessary.

If, however, we argue for our problems, our viewpoints, they are certainly ours to keep. But staying stuck can't be that much fun could it?

[Geist]

Originally Posted by Paladin

If, however, we argue for our problems, our viewpoints, they are certainly ours to keep. But staying stuck can't be that much fun could it?

Humans thrive on adversity(SP?). We subconciosly choose the difficult path because if we took the easy one it wouldn't be very intresting.