What's meant by the Tower of Babel?

[flowperson]

Hi Bruno...welcome to CR. I agree with much of what you say. The "tower" is a collective symbolic representation of the human state of confusion, which is the literal translation of "babel". It denotes lack of mutual understanding which is the primary cause of all conflict.

All around us today we can clearly discern those who strive to promote misunderstanding, deceit, and conflict. We are also able to, every once in a while, discern the very few who strive towards the ancient reunification of the human spirit which existed in the "garden" times.

A most excellent and auspicious beginning for you here.

flow....

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by flowperson

Hi Bruno...welcome to CR. I agree with much of what you say. The "tower" is a collective symbolic representation of the human state of confusion, which is the literal translation of "babel". It denotes lack of mutual understanding which is the primary cause of all conflict.

All around us today we can clearly discern those who strive to promote misunderstanding, deceit, and conflict. We are also able to, every once in a while, discern the very few who strive towards the ancient reunification of the human spirit which existed in the "garden" times.

A most excellent and auspicious beginning for you here.

flow....

Has nothing to do with understanding at all. It has to do with self at the expense of others. "Io solo" supercedes "E pluribus Unum". There is no other way around it. Up to a point, man used to be able (I believe) of maintaining a prolonged collective mind set. Then at some point, that ability was removed or diminished significantly, leaving us to our own devices and desires as dominant thinking. There is your "tower" of Babel.

v/r

Q

[flowperson]

Sorry Q...But understanding has everything to do with it.

Without the individual accomplishments of those who have striven mightily to understand the universe around them and then communicate all of that to others, we'd all still be making mud bricks and building pyramids for Pharaohs.

Come to think of it, some of us still are, but in different contexts. A well thought-out simplified rationalization though.

flow....

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by flowperson

Sorry Q...But understanding has everything to do with it.

Without the individual accomplishments of those who have striven mightily to understand the universe around them and then communicate all of that to others, we'd all still be making mud bricks and building pyramids for Pharaohs.

Come to think of it, some of us still are, but in different contexts. A well thought-out simplified rationalization though.

flow....

I understand you perfectly Flow.

It still doesn't matter, since what I said makes absolutely no difference to you...now do you get my point? You have a preconceived notion of me, so what I say is irrelevant. I get defensive when I perceive that and then what you say is irrelevant. Io solo...

[flowperson]

Q...I have no preconceived notions Q and I try to live each day truthfully and honestly "in the moment". Your attempted projections of "ego" issues upon me and my behaviors, and of those of the world at large, are really only reflections of your personal "world view". So be it.

Yes, I believe that we understand each other all too well.

flow....

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by flowperson

I try to live each day truthfully and honestly "in the moment". Your attempted projections of "ego" issues upon me and my behaviors, and of those of the world at large, are really only reflections of your personal "world view". So be it.

Yes, I believe that we understand each other all too well.

flow....

I don't. I know that "in the moment" is fleeting, so I secure foot holds that will keep me from being blown from the rock face of life during a hurricane (which happens often in this world). My "ego" is not an issue to me, as much as it seems to be for the likes of you and others like you.

I understand orders. I carry them out. I give orders, and expect they will be carried out. When this does not happen, then there is a problem. It has nothing to do with "language" since I can give or receive orders and act on them, in several languages (there goes your Babel language confoundation concept). What you state is that you wish to do as you please... and that is not as life, persee, works. That is the "Tower of Babel". Man went from a collective whole, to individual desires over-riding the collective good. And it seemed to happen almost overnight. And you can not explain why. This is secular history though the tower is not mentioned...the transition is.

You do not understand me at all.

v/r

Q

[wil]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

I understand orders. I carry them out. I give orders, and expect they will be carried out. When this does not happen, then there is a problem. ..

...What you state is that you wish to do as you please... and that is not as life, persee, works.

Namaste Q, and beg do differ with you bro!

Flow and I and millions of others can choose to live in the moment or in the flow.. you've chose a different path.

Bark all the orders you wish, outside of your platoon, brigade, or choice of service it falls on deaf ears, I neither take your orders nor give you any, no chain of command out here in our world. We do do as we please.

Those who answer the call and take the oath chose your way, we dance to a different drummer. (now yes, no need to prattle or babel on, we know you keep us safe, we've heard the monologue before, and we on the other hand pay the taxes that ends up in your paycheck, it is a trade we've both agreed to perform)

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by wil

Namaste Q, and beg do differ with you bro!

Flow and I and millions of others can choose to live in the moment or in the flow.. you've chose a different path.

Bark all the orders you wish, outside of your platoon, brigade, or choice of service it falls on deaf ears, I neither take your orders nor give you any, no chain of command out here in our world. We do do as we please.

Those who answer the call and take the oath chose your way, we dance to a different drummer. (now yes, no need to prattle or babel on, we know you keep us safe, we've heard the monologue before, and we on the other hand pay the taxes that ends up in your paycheck, it is a trade we've both agreed to perform)

Granted. But there are consequences for every action...Wil. Must be ready to accept the responsibility for such actions (that too is freedom). In the Babel story, man aspired to build a tower to the heavens, but was unwilling to accept the responsibility for their actions (which meant, reaching heaven). and God said NO. And that was it.

Been that way ever since...

[flowperson]

Originally Posted by wil

Namaste Q, and beg do differ with you bro!

Flow and I and millions of others can choose to live in the moment or in the flow.. you've chose a different path.

Bark all the orders you wish, outside of your platoon, brigade, or choice of service it falls on deaf ears, I neither take your orders nor give you any, no chain of command out here in our world. We do do as we please.

Those who answer the call and take the oath chose your way, we dance to a different drummer. (now yes, no need to prattle or babel on, we know you keep us safe, we've heard the monologue before, and we on the other hand pay the taxes that ends up in your paycheck, it is a trade we've both agreed to perform)

At the risk of being associated with the late great Rush Limbaugh, I'll say "ditto". BTW he was born and raised in Cape Girardeau, Missouri. That's the home of the world's tallest television transmitting tower, and also where the first UFO crash took place in 1941. There's a relationship there somewhere folks.

No Q, I do understand. I do know what you don't know, and I even know a lot of what you know. Unless of course what I know is unknown, and in that case we're dealing with what is unknowable to us both. Sounds like something that a former boss of yours once said.

flow....

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by flowperson

At the risk of being associated with the late great Rush Limbaugh, I'll say "ditto". BTW he was born and raised in Cape Girardeau, Missouri. That's the home of the world's tallest television transmitting tower, and also where the first UFO crash took place in 1941. There's a relationship there somewhere folks.

No Q, I do understand. I do know what you don't know, and I even know a lot of what you know. Unless of course what I know is unknown, and in that case we're dealing with what is unknowable to us both. Sounds like something that a former boss of yours once said.

flow....

I don't think I'd bet on your winning Jeopardy...

[greymare]

Flow....... your last post really was babble(to me) you know , unknown, and unkno;wable. aaaaaaargh. I tried reading the original post but it was too long. I dont have a long attention span, i guess. LOL. I always thought that the tower of babel was a story told to us (as kids in sunday school) to aspire to be good and godly but dont get too big headed or it will all come tumbling down. Well, that was the simplified version that I remember.


Wil.....and Flow..... be nice to Q you might need him one day (motherly intervention again.... sorry cant help it. )

[flowperson]

Hi Grey...You needn't get in the middle of our stuff. It's not necessary. This sort of thing has been going on here for some time, you know liberal/progressive vs, orthodox /conservative.

It is pretty much unresolvable and I'm perfectly willing to pass it all by and/or laugh it all off, but others think that their role in life is to fight everything out to some ultimate outcome. All that causes is destruction in the long run. I don't wish to be any part of that way of looking at reality, so I just pass some people by also. In terms of what I believe regarding spiritual things, that always trumps might and power, you know, turn the other cheek, etc.

Life would be boring if we were all the same. Thank G-d for that, but it's difficult for me, at least, to stay in one place and be demeaned. I have a choice to avoid that and I choose to do so much of the time. Thanks for your thoughts.

flow....

[greymare]

oooops, my bad. still love me? flow?

[flowperson]

Hey, no my pet. Always a kiss and a hug for the likes of looveley you.

flow....

[greymare]

ooh thank you flow(blush)