what use do they serve? - Page 3

Impqueen · 07-03-2007, 11:15 PM

I always wonder what the queen does when she's in the middle of one of those huge dinners with boring speeches etc etc and she finds she desperately needs a piss?

Wil - sometimes I think they sound like animals all baying and making a racket together

but I suppose it's a good thing that they have to face down the opposition on a regular basis. Do your politicians have to deal with horribly hostile interviews at all? Jeremy Paxman and the Today program presenters sometimes make me cringe with how blunt they are....

Muslimwoman · 07-03-2007, 11:39 PM

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I always wonder what the queen does when she's in the middle of one of those huge dinners with boring speeches etc etc and she finds she desperately needs a piss?

I think they deal with that in Queen training school, maybe she has special bladder exercises or a catheter under her long dress?

Tao_Equus · 07-04-2007, 01:24 AM

Wonder what a Royal Colostomy bag would fetch on ebay

Muslimwoman · 07-04-2007, 02:55 AM

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Wonder what a Royal Colostomy bag would fetch on ebay

Pass the sick bucket over. The awful thing is some sicko would buy it.

17th Angel · 07-04-2007, 09:57 AM

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I listened to your new PMs address to Parliament today...and was shocked to hear the speaker ask for some decorum during the speech until the rebuttal time was at hand. And then the various factions responding and the PM responding to their comments....absolutely incredible.

On our Independence Day, July 4th, he (the PM) will face his first Q&A another absolutely amazing occurrence you have over there. I would so like to see an open session like that in our Senate with the Prez weekly, that would be incredible.

Yea... -sounds- good doesn't it? Seems like we "really" get a say...

Awesome....... *sighes*

Snoopy · 07-04-2007, 06:26 PM

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I listened to your new PMs address to Parliament today...and was shocked to hear the speaker ask for some decorum during the speech until the rebuttal time was at hand. And then the various factions responding and the PM responding to their comments....absolutely incredible.

On our Independence Day, July 4th, he (the PM) will face his first Q&A another absolutely amazing occurrence you have over there. I would so like to see an open session like that in our Senate with the Prez weekly, that would be incredible.

Don't get too excited wil, it's so much theatre they've all got Equity cards.

s.

Muslimwoman · 07-04-2007, 07:22 PM

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Don't get too excited wil, it's so much theatre they've all got Equity cards.

s.

Too bloody right. Just look how many years we listened to them burble on about banning fox hunting, yet when it comes to secretly slipping their little X marks the spot paper into the magic box, somehow the law just never seemed to get passed, until recently. I'm amazed any of them can stand upright with the amount of spin they use.

Snoopy · 07-04-2007, 11:42 PM

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Too bloody right. Just look how many years we listened to them burble on about banning fox hunting, yet when it comes to secretly slipping their little X marks the spot paper into the magic box, somehow the law just never seemed to get passed, until recently. I'm amazed any of them can stand upright with the amount of spin they use.

This is appallingly off topic. But now that you've mentioned it there was a Countryside Alliance person on the TV saying the law did not work, so it should be repealed. Hello??!! If the law against committing murder "does not work" would they be repealing it? No, they would be amending it so it CAN work.

s.

Muslimwoman · 07-05-2007, 05:50 AM

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This is appallingly off topic. But now that you've mentioned it there was a Countryside Alliance person on the TV saying the law did not work, so it should be repealed. Hello??!! If the law against committing murder "does not work" would they be repealing it? No, they would be amending it so it CAN work.

s.

I sincerely apologise for going completely off topic so shall not add my intended response of 'but the bloodthirsty sods need to kill things in order to feel superior to us mere minions'

cyberpi · 07-05-2007, 10:59 AM

God save the King and God save the Queen... DEAD LAST!

Give to the Caesar what is Caesar's... give him an INVOICE for a percentage of his paltry services and call it a TAX.

cavalier · 07-05-2007, 11:29 AM

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'but the bloodthirsty sods need to kill things in order to feel superior to us mere minions'

This is somewhat hysterical isn't it?

I am not in favor of fox-hunting, but my objection to a favored pastime of the Royals is no argument against their usefulness as people, or the usefulness of their position.

Francis king · 07-05-2007, 12:54 PM

amusing mixed bag of responses here...

being born into wealth is not of course the fault of rich babies, but nor is it the fault of peasants to be born poor, but I think that for them to be so different as adults is a sin...

I have no problem with meritocracy; after all, that's the joy of capitalism- rising above the masses using your wits to make more money than anyone else is skillful, but to me the royal family is a symbol of all that is wrong with society... we value people, not for their deeds, but because we are told we should.

If I plot to kill Bill Gates and get caught, I will go to jail for a while, yet if I plot to kill the Queen and am caught then potentially I can be hanged. Why is the Queen more valuable than Bill Gates? He trumps her in the wealth stakes, and he's more charitable too, yet he is not worth the same.

Why?

If my grandma needs her roof fixing, she'll ask the family. If the family can't help she'll have to get a loan. If she can't get a loan then she'll sit in her damp house growing mould until she dies. Why should the Queen be different? If she needs her roof fixing then she should ask her family- not government. If the family collectively cannot help, then she should sell some art, or some antiques, but no. Instead the people pay.

Society pays taxes so that we can help those in our society who are less fortunate. I dont want to pay tax if it means the money goes to the royal family, or to the army, yet I do not get the choice to opt out.

How is that fair? I pay 20% tax on my income. 20 percent. And then on top of that I am asked to pay national insurance contributions, and as well as this I am also taxed on all my purchases. Overall, around 40 percent of all money I earn goes to the state. I don't mind that, if it means that my schools and hospitals are paid for and the sick and diasabled have a good standard of living, but that isn't really what happens. Instead, my taxes go to support a system which is morally wrong.

As for their tireless charity work- before we uphold them as philanthropists let's remember that donations to charity are tax exempt, and so rather than be charitable they are deliberately ridding themself of some income so that they pay less tax... and let's not forget that charles gets a lot of money in subsidies from the EU for his farms, just like all the other rich landowners do. Whatever they do for charity is but a small drop in the ocean.

and, completely offsubject- muslimwoman- is that picture really u? If so, you have lovely eyes...

cavalier · 07-05-2007, 05:45 PM

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If I plot to kill Bill Gates and get caught, I will go to jail for a while, yet if I plot to kill the Queen and am caught then potentially I can be hanged. Why is the Queen more valuable than Bill Gates? He trumps her in the wealth stakes, and he's more charitable too, yet he is not worth the same.

You know very well you would not be hanged. The enforcement of that anachronistic law would be the beginning of the end for the monarchy.
As for some people being more valuable than others, a person's value is surely decided by society as a whole, you cannot hold it against the person in question. I also do not think that Bill Gates is considered less valuable than the Queen.

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If my grandma needs her roof fixing, she'll ask the family. If the family can't help she'll have to get a loan. If she can't get a loan then she'll sit in her damp house growing mould until she dies. Why should the Queen be different? If she needs her roof fixing then she should ask her family- not government. If the family collectively cannot help, then she should sell some art, or some antiques, but no. Instead the people pay.

The Queen's house is not just the Queen's house, it is a national house, part of our national heritage. Your grandmother's house is not.

17th Angel · 07-05-2007, 05:51 PM

It is not about wealth.... It is about loyalty.... To become a traitor to your queen and country is the only crime that IS still punishment by death.

Cav... Erm, they would still hang traitors

It is the law.

Muslimwoman · 07-05-2007, 07:18 PM

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This is somewhat hysterical isn't it?

I am not in favor of fox-hunting, but my objection to a favored pastime of the Royals is no argument against their usefulness as people, or the usefulness of their position.

Agree completely. I wasn't referring to the Royals but the upper class and the wanna be's. I doubt the Royals had anything to do with the constant failure to introduce the law, more the government officials themselves and their 'financial backers'.

Don't get me wrong I love the Royals (in fact one of my favourite pictures of myself is with the Queen Mum, shall see if I can post it in the what you look like thread- as I am so proud of it).