What is the meaning of this Life and Death

[Blue]

What can I do but profess total innocence of any personal criticisms? They were not intended, if you construe them as such, without explaining your personal grounds for the affirmations. I have already apologised to you, if that is how you see the comments, but do so again.
Statements I have made were on rational and reasoned grounds, I hope.

I agree that in view of your comments, the matter should rest, and we beg to differ... on many points.

[OnlineGuru]

Hello

On this forum, I have been all along writing about the SELF and GOD as the sum of all the SELF within us.

The following article I posted is not my viewpoint. It is the viewpoint of a person who has probably received the same message as I have. Yet, like I used to believe earlier the messages are from Aliens, this person also is feeling the same.

http://216.132.172.70/indiadaily/editorial/12-26-04.asp

However, this is not true as I have found out later. This is a message from GOD not ETs.

For me what is significant in this article is the following statement which is also the core foundation of my Beliefs.


"Beyond 2012, out technologies will take a different direction. People will learn the essence of spirituality, the relation between body and the soul, the reincarnation and the fact we are connected with each other are all part of “God”."

What this means is the seeds of this realization has been laid by me and hopefully people all over the world will reazlize by 2012 what I have started saying in December 2004.

The TrueSky Movement which I have started is to achieve this aim of realizing the SELF and how we are all part of "GOD"

The mission is started this month and will realize its aims in 2012.

However, it is up to you to believe in this or not. This article is a clue for me from the good Lord to carry on spreading his message of Love and Peace and the SELF.

Love and Peace

Guru

[Blue]

This all sounds suspiciously like advertising, OnLine Guru.

You quote:

"Beyond 2012, out technologies will take a different direction. People will learn the essence of spirituality, the relation between body and the soul, the reincarnation and the fact we are connected with each other are all part of “God”."

Is this person a prophet? How does he KNOW 2012 is a key date, and from where does he derive his information?

How does TrueSky, (as you say, a 'Mission',) differ from countless 'missions' over the last two thousand years? What makes it unique, if it is unique?

You don't actually seem to offer any convincing statements to support the claims, beyond your own, I am sure, honest and passionate affirmations.

Why should what you say be believed in by others?

[OnlineGuru]

Dear Friend,

My Belief is centered on inferences and experiences of Life Events. I believe GOD gives us clues to strengthen our beliefs.

All these days, starting 1st of December I have been stating my viewpoint about the SELF and GOD. These I believe are messages from the good Lord.

Most of these messages are in the form of Clues in events or inferences from information that I read.

The link I provided was one such information that contained a clue on where my mission is headed. This information was published in a website and I happened to read it. Others who read the article would have read it differently.

But the following paragraph holds different meaning for me. It is a clue for me from the good Lord.

"Beyond 2012, out technologies will take a different direction. People will learn the essence of spirituality, the relation between body and the soul, the reincarnation and the fact we are connected with each other are all part of “God”."

I have received numerous such clues from the good Lord and is more than a coincidence from my experience. These clues reaffirm my belief and is considered by me as evidence of the existence of the SELF and GOD.

Now, I cannot share all the clues and messages with just about anyone. Especially non believers. Whenever I tried sharing these messages, it proved harmful for me and my family. Therefore, I decided to start the TrueSky Movement to contact people who believe in my Thoughts and hence I can share with them the messages which I otherwise I cannot share with others.

TrueSky Movement is not a organization or a cult. It is only a channel to share the messages of the good Lord among believers.

Now the article or the person who wrote this article is not of particular interest to me or connected to my beliefs except for the message contained in it in the paragraph I have outlined.

Now the date 2012 is significant. 12 is the sum of 5+7. The number seven is an important number for me. It is repeated in most of the messages I have recieved. Like there are supposed to be seven human lifetime levels.

Therefore for me the message in 2012 reads as follows:

"Each year starting from 2005 until 2012 (that is seven years) is like passing through seven human lifetime levels"

Another Clue or Message is the earthquake and Flooding just after Christmas. I believe flooding is an important part of all religious books. And has some meaning. As this current event occured close to my home, India I believe this is another message from the good Lord.

Imagine if the earthquake had happened in West Asia and not East Asia. I would not be living today to write this reply as I live in the coastline of India.

But not on the eastern. The Western coastline.

That I have to be steadfast in my beliefs and something important is going to happen in the future in which I will have to play my part and contribution.

So what more evidence do you want?

Guru

Originally Posted by Blue

This all sounds suspiciously like advertising, OnLine Guru.

You quote:

"Beyond 2012, out technologies will take a different direction. People will learn the essence of spirituality, the relation between body and the soul, the reincarnation and the fact we are connected with each other are all part of “God”."

Is this person a prophet? How does he KNOW 2012 is a key date, and from where does he derive his information?

How does TrueSky, (as you say, a 'Mission',) differ from countless 'missions' over the last two thousand years? What makes it unique, if it is unique?

You don't actually seem to offer any convincing statements to support the claims, beyond your own, I am sure, honest and passionate affirmations.

Why should what you say be believed in by others?

[Blue]

With due respect, OnLineGuru, you are making claims beyond your personal - and I agree honestly affirmed - beliefs to matters in the real world, where objectivity and rationalism play a part.

Let us all consider your claims.

You base a great deal upon some supposed relevance of '7' as being somehow a mystical number, indicative of 'something' that makes sense to your personal affective thinking.
That's fine, but you go further.
You claim this preordains certain events in the material domain beyond yourself... on no material evidence whatsoever beyond yourself.
That is not justifiable beyond yourself, my friend.
There is no evidence in the material domain. A level 9 tectonic plate event was in fact overdue, the previous one of such devasting consequences being in 1900, I believe... with other smaller ones since then in various parts of the world along the known fault lines.

As you say, you can offer these perhaps well-intentioned observations, but in the end it is all a matter of our personal beliefs - AND I agree with you on that.

--- BUT look how you have then ascribed the movements of tectonic plates, geologically speaking to some Divine, (or supernatural 'intelligence'?) 'actions'. You have no evidence for that beyond your feelings about the matter... a subjective value judgement you make. As you admit, if it is just yourself that conceives of that, that is all that can be said, so why extend your 'faith' beliefs beyond self into the material domain?

I too can make predictions upon known evidence. I predict that such an event as the recent one, will not be the last.
I do not know when the next will be, of this magnitude on the Richter scale, but the likelihood/probability is very high in the longterm and could occur this year, next year or in a hundred years or more from now.
The fact is we do not know, (Earthquake prediction still being highly dependent upon very expensive processes still in their infancy, and virtually impossible in universal terms owing to costs) and to claim that one can 'know' just on a personal feeling that some 'disaster' or 'change for the better'(which is a delightfully vague notion) is going to happen in a specific year has no foundation beyond yourself.
(-Which, I repeat, I am pleased to observe you seem to support as just your personal affirmations:
I have received numerous such clues from the good Lord and is more than a coincidence from my experience. These clues reaffirm my belief and is considered by me as evidence of the existence of the SELF and GOD.
Equally, I hope I have presented a rational demonstration of an alternative view that can be based not in my feelings and opinions, but facts.)

[OnlineGuru]

Dear Friend,

I have been in your shoes and know what rational thought is. With all the scientific and logic at my disposal, I have tried to explain rationally all the supposed events that have occured in my life.

Take for example, I tried to post this incident about the earthquake yesterday and my computer would not work.

But it did work the following day.

My daughters birthdate is the same as my brother in laws and his sons birthdate is the same as my wifes.

There are numerious such events and information I can share with you which has no logical reasoning or explaination.

This means only only thing for me. That the good Lord is not bound by the logic and rationality that governs us. So if an earthquake was due in this part of the world it need not have been exact the day after christmas.

It need not have been in the same month as I have been espousing by beliefs. It could have been last month.

Our knowledge my dear friend is not infinite and we are on the tip of the knowledge iceberg. Therefore what is irrational today can be perfectly rational tomorrow.

And even if I am wrong what is the harm in espousing the message of GOD which is nothing but to awaken our humanity and spread Love and Peace.

I am only trying to connect with others not start a religion. I follow the Hindu Religion. This does not mean I cannot connect to those who believe in Jesus and yet form my own independent beliefs.

Hope this satisfies you... and come around to accept some if not all of my views..

My dear friend there is no harm in accepting that GOD exists. But the fact is the people are moving from this supreme truth and getting involved wrong influences such as fundamentalism, paganism, aliens, etc which will be counter productive for mankind. And this is the message of the recent Earthquake.

I believe it. Do you? That is your choice.

Guru

Originally Posted by Blue

With due respect, OnLineGuru, you are making claims beyond your personal - and I agree honestly affirmed - beliefs to matters in the real world, where objectivity and rationalism play a part.

Let us all consider your claims.

You base a great deal upon some supposed relevance of '7' as being somehow a mystical number, indicative of 'something' that makes sense to your personal affective thinking.
That's fine, but you go further.
You claim this preordains certain events in the material domain beyond yourself... on no material evidence whatsoever beyond yourself.
That is not justifiable beyond yourself, my friend.
There is no evidence in the material domain. A level 9 tectonic plate event was in fact overdue, the previous one of such devasting consequences being in 1900, I believe... with other smaller ones since then in various parts of the world along the known fault lines.

As you say, you can offer these perhaps well-intentioned observations, but in the end it is all a matter of our personal beliefs - AND I agree with you on that.

--- BUT look how you have then ascribed the movements of tectonic plates, geologically speaking to some Divine, (or supernatural 'intelligence'?) 'actions'. You have no evidence for that beyond your feelings about the matter... a subjective value judgement you make. As you admit, if it is just yourself that conceives of that, that is all that can be said, so why extend your 'faith' beliefs beyond self into the material domain?

I too can make predictions upon known evidence. I predict that such an event as the recent one, will not be the last.
I do not know when the next will be, of this magnitude on the Richter scale, but the likelihood/probability is very high in the longterm and could occur this year, next year or in a hundred years or more from now.
The fact is we do not know, (Earthquake prediction still being highly dependent upon very expensive processes still in their infancy, and virtually impossible in universal terms owing to costs) and to claim that one can 'know' just on a personal feeling that some 'disaster' or 'change for the better'(which is a delightfully vague notion) is going to happen in a specific year has no foundation beyond yourself.
(-Which, I repeat, I am pleased to observe you seem to support as just your personal affirmations:
I have received numerous such clues from the good Lord and is more than a coincidence from my experience. These clues reaffirm my belief and is considered by me as evidence of the existence of the SELF and GOD.
Equally, I hope I have presented a rational demonstration of an alternative view that can be based not in my feelings and opinions, but facts.)

[Blue]

My friend,

I have not disavowed or criticised your personal affirmations and would not dream of doing so.

The early part of your post is fine and reasoned in that the explanations are your personal affirmations, and they satisfy yourself.

I only question what you then project into the material world.

You seem to suggest that a computer working one day, will not reboot perfectly well on another day, because of some supernatural reason.
That cannot be done.... You cannot simply put down its not working in one session to some influence beyond yourself, without producing objective evidence.

As a small part of my current part time work, I help people instal their computers and use them. A fault in use that writes some data to your hard drive one day, can be corrected by a further reboot the next day. There is nothing supernatural in this... or in the coincidence of birthdates. That is simply, as you admit, your personal opinion and interpretations. I do not criticise that. People may believe whatever they personally believe and affirm.

I am only asking that if that affirmation and belief is projected into the material domain, we all have a right to ask for material and objective evidence outside of yourself.
A few dates coinciding are just a few dates coinciding, that is all.
The interpretation of that is yours. You alone ascribe significance to it, and maybe members of your family.

I would not, that is all.

Peace my friend.

[OnlineGuru]

Dear Friend,

I have been in the IT field since 1991 and have worked on all computers from XTs (8088) to Mainframes. I have also been a programmer and systems analyst and maintained and worked with computers all my life.

So, I can reasonably know if a computer can have problems and when and how.

This does not mean that I am right. This might be just a coincidence.

But when one looks at such coincidences happening all the time in ones life then it defys rational reasoning.

And the only reasoning I can conclude is that it is the result of some higher power or force and which I subscribe to as GOD.

Thanks for your Support

Guru

Originally Posted by Blue

My friend,

I have not disavowed or criticised your personal affirmations and would not dream of doing so.

The early part of your post is fine and reasoned in that the explanations are your personal affirmations, and they satisfy yourself.

I only quetsion what you then project into the material world.

You seem to suggest that a computer working one day, will not reboot perfectly well on another dya, becuase of some supernatural reason. That cannot be done.... You cannot simply put down its not working in one session to some influence beyond yourself, without producing objective evidence.

As a small part of my current part time work, I help people instal their computers and use them. A fault in use that writes some data to your hard drive one day, can be corrected by a reboot the next day. There is nothing supernatural in this... or in the coincidence of birthdates. That is simply, as you admit, your personal opinion and interpretations. I do not criticise that. People may believe whatever they personally believe and affirm.

I am only asking that if that affirmation and belief is projected into the material domain, we all have a right to ask for material and objective evidence outside of yourself.
A few dates coinciding are just a few dates coinciding, that is all.
The interpretation of that is yours. You alone ascribe significance to it, and maybe members of your family.

I would not, that is all.

Peace my friend.

[Blue]

But when one looks at such coincidences happening all the time in ones life then it defys rational reasoning.

And the only reasoning I can conclude is that it is the result of some higher power or force and which I subscribe to as GOD.

Defies rationality? Why? How? It is rational to take account of coincidence in any investigation; we just shouldn't ascribe supernatural 'forces' at work!


A personal affirmation is fine, OnLineGuru.
You ascibe it a 'God', I don't.
This just means our value judgements differ, my friend, which is also fine.
I have no desire to dissuade you from personal and affective affirmations and ascriptions of Divinity, higher powers or forces (though why they should be considered 'higher' I do not know, when they have no external evidence).

Peace.

[OnlineGuru]

"It is rational to expect coincidences on Investigation"

When the coincidences are one to many...these cannot be explained rationaly.

I am only concerned about the well being of everyone on this planet especially those who are not ready to realize their SELF.

Guru

[Blue]

When the coincidences are one to many...these cannot be explained rationaly.

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What is 'one too many' OLG? How do you measure...? Is 5, 55, or 555?
What 'scale' are you using....?

You do not convince me that it is any more than just a 'feeling' you have, and you are making a personal value judgement... simply: validating it for yourself.

[OnlineGuru]

Before the Tsunami waves hit the place.

http://www.digitalglobe.com/images/tsunami/banda_aceh_shoreline_before_june23_2004_dg.jpg

And... After the Tsunami waves hit the place.

http://www.digitalglobe.com/images/tsunami/banda_aceh_shoreline_missing_dec28_2004_dg.jpg

DO YOU FIND ANYTHING STRANGE IN THESE PICUTRES?

.....WELL I DO... THIS PLACE RESEMBLES THE MAP OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

THE GOOD LORD HAS SPOKEN.... AND HAS GIVEN A CLUE OF THE FUTURE EVENTS TO COME IF MANKIND DOES NOT REALIZE THE SELF..


GURU

Originally Posted by Blue

When the coincidences are one to many...these cannot be explained rationaly.

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What is 'one too many' OLG? How do you measure...? Is 5, 55, or 555?
What 'scale' are you using....?

You do not convince me that it is any more than just a 'feeling' you have, and you are making a personal value judgement... simply: validating it for yourself.

[Faithfulservant]

Hehe we're the devil

[Blue]

Re: OnLineGuru:

.WELL I DO... THIS PLACE RESEMBLES THE MAP OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

THE GOOD LORD HAS SPOKEN.... AND HAS GIVEN A CLUE OF THE FUTURE EVENTS TO COME IF MANKIND DOES NOT REALIZE THE SELF..
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So, OLG, because you see some coincidence in the outline, it is therefore of importance, rationally 'true', beyond your own feelings about it.

There is no actual and objective relationship between the outlines and the USA.

What evidence is there beyond your own affirmation that this is the Good Lord speaking?
Is it not just your own affective nature and nurture asserting it to be so? If so, how can any relevance beyond self be claimed in the material domain?

An relevance you give the claimed 'resemblance' is just how you personally see it.

Forgive me if you are simply claiming this as a personal affirmation... but you do go on to claim it as some kind of 'universal' "message" from a God for all of us.

[Sacredstar]

Dear OnlineGuru

I agree with you but you are not the only one receiving this fundamental message from GOD. 1,000's around the world have been sharing these messages in recent years.

You may be interested in my own article being sent out across the planet at the moment.

The Charioteer, Power of Seven 2005
http://www.comparative-religion.com/...ed=1#post18637


Love beyond measure

Sacredstar