What is the future of Islam?

[4peace]

Originally Posted by ISFP

i believe that the number of Muslim converts will continue to grow, especially among women, as thi is the current trend in many places.

i also feel that, gradually, Islam will becoem more flexible in its Quranic interpretation and that the status of women in social and spiritual life will become more of an issue to be addressed.

i'm remembering that Muslim woman who lead men and women in prayer in the UK and how huge that was. i wonder if similar things will happen more and more.

Some of the worst rants I have heard against Muslims have come from Idndian people

[ISFP]

Originally Posted by 4peace

Some of the worst rants I have heard against Muslims have come from Idndian people.

what does that have to do with anything? could you ellaborate, please?

[4peace]

Originally Posted by ISFP

what does that have to do with anything? could you ellaborate, please?

This is causing segregation and it is sad to see how faith is having a bad affect n faith if you get me. One would assume a westener feels hatred to a muslim, this I have seen isnt the case it is often other Easteners including Indians and Bangladeshies.....this is showing a growing trend of segregation

[I, Brian]

There's a lot of very nasty inter-faith violence in India between Hindus and Muslims, so it wouldn't surprise at animosity in regard to that arena.

[4peace]

haven't seen any Islamic leaders trying to fight against the people who fight in the name of Islam...the people who effectively want the west and East to fight....What they should be aware of is if say they were to use nuclear or something of equivilance on the West then you can bet your bottom dollar that the West will retaliate with devastating consequences and the odds of Nuclear bombings in Medina and Mecca I know will be increased it has been discussed in many Eastern faith forum sites. There wish for such a war granted...they should realise that the East would not win against the West!!

[I am free]

Hi 4peace,

Originally Posted by 4peace

There wish for such a war granted...they should realise that the East would not win against the West!!

Ha! I find this statement extremely arrogant and presumptious... America with all its advanced weapons is not able to win the war in Iraq. It did not win in Vietnam. It has not been able to find Osama bin Laden. The so called "war against terror" is going to increase terrorist attacks in the west. You cannot buy peace with war.

Sadly, your nickname does not go with the statements you make.

[4peace]

Originally Posted by I am free

Hi 4peace,



Ha! I find this statement extremely arrogant and presumptious... America with all its advanced weapons is not able to win the war in Iraq. It did not win in Vietnam. It has not been able to find Osama bin Laden. The so called "war against terror" is going to increase terrorist attacks in the west. You cannot buy peace with war.

Sadly, your nickname does not go with the statements you make.

I can not see peace really ever coming about.....some can, however, I feel that it will not

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by I am free

Ha! I find this statement extremely arrogant and presumptious... America with all its advanced weapons is not able to win the war in Iraq. It did not win in Vietnam. It has not been able to find Osama bin Laden. The so called "war against terror" is going to increase terrorist attacks in the west. You cannot buy peace with war.

Sadly, your nickname does not go with the statements you make.

Unfortunately you aren't looking at the whole picture either. The only thing holding America back, is America. If we had the mentality of the Roman Empire 2000 years ago, there wouldn't be a foundation stone left unturned. America has held back. Lot's of praying going on in America (not a very arrogant position to be I should think, when on one's knees asking for guidance).

There is nothing arrogant in power. Arrogance is a state of mind. That is something America has been struggling with not to become. And the nation is split over it.

One can't "buy" peace at all. It isn't a commodity for sale.

One thing I'd like to point out. As long as a person holds another person's life in value, every effort will usually be made to preserve and protect that life. Once that life is considered to be of no value...who knows what could happen?

Things to consider.

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Q

[I am free]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Unfortunately you aren't looking at the whole picture either. The only thing holding America back, is America. If we had the mentality of the Roman Empire 2000 years ago, there wouldn't be a foundation stone left unturned. America has held back. Lot's of praying going on in America (not a very arrogant position to be I should think, when on one's knees asking for guidance).

There is nothing arrogant in power. Arrogance is a state of mind. That is something America has been struggling with not to become. And the nation is split over it.

I think you misunderstood me. I was referring to the statement "East would not win over the west" as arrogant. I did not in my post refer to America as arrogant.

If you compare the Roman empire 2000 years ago to today's US, you're probably right in feeling that America has "held back". But I would like to point out that in those days there were monarchs ruling over empires. Empires were expanded in search for greater power, glory and wealth. (Is this what modern day America is - an empire?)

Today on the other hand we have nations with elected governments (mostly atleast) and clearly recognised national boundaries. Some nations marching over other nations uprooting elected governments should not be justified I feel (atleast under most circumstances).

Just my thoughts. But anyways this is a topic for a seperate debate and I am not a very knowledgable person in the matters of nations and politics.

Regards,
R

[Aidyl Nurhadi]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Islam - definition. To submit (not peace). Inference according to the Qu'ran: Submit to our way or die. Islam (and the Arab Islamic world) will not be destroyed by the Western World. For the west is very tolerant, almost to the point of cowardice (almost).

My two cents.

The word Islam is derived from the Arabic root salam and assalama. It means Peace and submission. The idea is that if you submit your will to God Almighty you will find peace and tranquility. This is the correct definition. Of course you don't know this because you haven't the slightest knowledge of Arabic.
Submit to our way or die is the inference according to the Qur'an??? Where the hell did you get this idea? This is a blatant perversion of Islam and our holy book the Qur'an. The Qur'an clearly states UNEQUIVOCALLY .. LA HAIQRAA' FIDDEEN.. THERE IS NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION... How did you come about to such a rash conclusion? do you just throw words without first thinking? The Arab Islamic world will not be destroyed by America? Obviously not....not even America has the strength to crush the entire Arab world. What do you mean for the west is very tolerant, almost to the point of cowardice??? lol do you even understand what you're saying mate? I'm sure their decision to attack Afghanistan and Iraq which wasn't sanctioned by the UN is a sign of their cowardice....riiight. For the west is very tolerant. Tolerant is subjective...in what way are they tolerant? do you recall the days of Martin Luther? the Ku Klux Clan? is that tolerance? I hope you will refrain from attacking Islam or I will be forced to retaliate. I warn you, if I retaliate it wouldn't be pretty for your religion Christianity. Not physically of course, but, rather intellectually. Wassalam

[Aidyl Nurhadi]

Assalamu'alaikum,
Alhamdulillah, I am glad to say that the future of Islam is positive . In France for example, Islam stands as the fastest and most popular religion. Statistically by year 2050, Islam will outnumber its counterpart Christianity. Even today, the number of practising Muslims are more than that of Christianity. Insha-Allah, all will be well.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Aidyl Nurhadi

The word Islam is derived from the Arabic root salam and assalama. It means Peace and submission. The idea is that if you submit your will to God Almighty you will find peace and tranquility. This is the correct definition. Of course you don't know this because you haven't the slightest knowledge of Arabic.
Submit to our way or die is the inference according to the Qur'an??? Where the hell did you get this idea? This is a blatant perversion of Islam and our holy book the Qur'an. The Qur'an clearly states UNEQUIVOCALLY .. LA HAIQRAA' FIDDEEN.. THERE IS NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION... How did you come about to such a rash conclusion? do you just throw words without first thinking? The Arab Islamic world will not be destroyed by America? Obviously not....not even America has the strength to crush the entire Arab world. What do you mean for the west is very tolerant, almost to the point of cowardice??? lol do you even understand what you're saying mate? I'm sure their decision to attack Afghanistan and Iraq which wasn't sanctioned by the UN is a sign of their cowardice....riiight. For the west is very tolerant. Tolerant is subjective...in what way are they tolerant? do you recall the days of Martin Luther? the Ku Klux Clan? is that tolerance? I hope you will refrain from attacking Islam or I will be forced to retaliate. I warn you, if I retaliate it wouldn't be pretty for your religion Christianity. Not physically of course, but, rather intellectually. Wassalam

Ahlaan,

Do you know me? Do you know what I know? Do you propose to dictate what I know and what I don't? That is not wise thinking.

I was raised 20 years in Dearborn, Michigan, and I learned many, many things about Islam (the hard way). Like a street urchin, I picked up many things...

peace be unto you and yours...

v/r

Q

[kiwimac]

Dismal without the Islamic version of a Reformation.

[Aidyl Nurhadi]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Ahlaan,

Do you know me? Do you know what I know? Do you propose to dictate what I know and what I don't? That is not wise thinking.

I was raised 20 years in Dearborn, Michigan, and I learned many, many things about Islam (the hard way). Like a street urchin, I picked up many things...

peace be unto you and yours...

v/r

Q

Salam,
Lol obviously I don't know you personally, if that's what you mean. But I do know enough about you to be able to see through you. The very fact that you made as silly a statement as "those who do not submit to Islam must be killed" by Muslims according to the Qur'an shows how much you know about it. Basically, it comes next to nothing. I am trying to dictate your thinking mate. However did ya come to such a conclusion? I'm merely trying to educate you...and you said that the word Islam does not mean peace when in actuality the proper and correct definition of the word does include peace, apart from submission as I have already explained. Had you known Arabic my friend, you wouldn't make such a mistake. Then again, perhaps you would. If you're like that Dr. Ali Sina of course. But I'm sure you're nothing like him , I hope. Wassalamu'alaikum and Pax Vobiscum.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Aidyl Nurhadi

Salam,
Lol obviously I don't know you personally, if that's what you mean. But I do know enough about you to be able to see through you. The very fact that you made as silly a statement as "those who do not submit to Islam must be killed" by Muslims according to the Qur'an shows how much you know about it. Basically, it comes next to nothing. I am trying to dictate your thinking mate. However did ya come to such a conclusion? I'm merely trying to educate you...and you said that the word Islam does not mean peace when in actuality the proper and correct definition of the word does include peace, apart from submission as I have already explained. Had you known Arabic my friend, you wouldn't make such a mistake. Then again, perhaps you would. If you're like that Dr. Ali Sina of course. But I'm sure you're nothing like him , I hope. Wassalamu'alaikum and Pax Vobiscum.

Then I ask you. Why is the gentleman from Afghanistan subject to fleeing the country and seeking asylum in Italy or America, all because he chose to convert to another faith (in this case, Christianity)? Why, when the courts decided to drop their case against him, the clerics called for his execution?

You are correct. Obviously I do not understand, or I missed something significant here.

Why, is it that a friend of mine since childhood, who was born and raised in America, and who fell in love with a Catholic boy and decided to convert to Christianity prior to marriage to him, was dis-owned by her father? And why did she have to be as equally shrewd and harsh, and ban her father from seeing his grandsons, until he saw reason, and accepted her back as his daughter?

Why did the neighbor across the street from my parents damn near kill their daughter for dating an American? (the sons were arrested and charged and convicted of aggrevated assault) Why did the people across town have their sons kill their daughter, for "bringing disgrace to the family", because she refused to marry the man the family chose for her?

Why can't I walk down my old neighborhood (where my parents live), in uniform, without getting pelted with eggs by the youth who are being raised in the United states?

Arab-Americans have been part of my old neighborhood since the early sixties, and we never had the kind of confrontations that are occuring almost daily in my home town today.

These are not poor people, not by a long shot. They own some of the biggest homes, drive the fanciest cars, they are not hurting for money, yet some young punk is screaming at me to get out of here and go home...telling me that "I" am the cause for all their grief...what grief? They are rich kids! They've never set foot in the old country, most of them.

This is my home..."not anymore" one said, before sticking a knife in my tire.

The absolute hatred these young people have is palpable...it come at one in waves.

No, you don't know me. I've become a stranger in my own hometown...

Multi-million dollar highschools, with Arabic graffetii on the outer brick walls. Watching the local baker spit in the dough for the bread a non Arab is about to buy. Graffetii on the local churches (but God help anyone who dares do such a thing to a mosque in town).

Peace? Islam is a peaceful religion? Ok...show me. I truly want to see where I am wrong. You see it isn't something I read, so assumed. No, my friend it is something I've lived. Wasn't so 30 years ago, but today, it is prevelant.

The young are out of control and in a rage, and the old are afraid to stand up to them. Non Arabs do stand up, and are labeled predjudice, and Arab haters.

No, just pissed off. I do not like sugar dumped in my gas tank for starters, nor do I like my windshield shattered by a baseball bat. I do not care for my parents being harrassed when they have lived in the same neighborhood for 44 years. And I do not care to take on five teens at once who are going to show the military f**k, that he can't come on the block I was raised on, well before they were a gleam in daddy's eye.

Am I as ignorant as you first thought?

Your call.

v/r

Q