What is the Christian perspective of Muhammed (pbuh)?

[Saltmeister]

Originally Posted by islamis4u

We show more respect to him then Christian itself.

But how would you measure respect? Respect is a quality not a quantity. You don't assign numbers to respect. Respect can only be described and depicted. I can't say that you have 5 volts of respect for a prophet and then say that I have 10 volts of respect for him. What then, makes 1 volt of respect? I cannot therefore say that I have more respect than you because numbers don't really mean much when we're talking about respect.

Likewise, respect for a prophet or spiritual leader in a religion isn't determined by how many verses you have referring to him. It's the quality of the description or depiction that the Text or adherents of a faith that determine the amount of respect one has for a spiritual leader. It's more conducive to say whether a person has been rude or arrogant than to say that a Text has more verses referring to a spiritual leader. Does the Text, for example, respect the prophet's mission or vocation?

Originally Posted by islamis4u

Rather what you are saying that words will be taken from Gospel instead Words of God have been take out from your own book.

The Christian Texts not only preserve the life and sayings of Jesus, but also that of "apostles" like Paul, Peter, James and John, who continued his mission. Jesus' words were of course, of primary importance, but the words of Paul, Peter, James and John were also important. They were of secondary importance, but still quite valuable because they added both understanding and meaning to the mission Jesus had given the early Christians. It was the words of Paul, Peter, James and John, as well as those of Jesus, that made Christianity what it was and what it was becoming.

Despite their importance in Christianity, the Quran doesn't mention them. Paul, Peter, James and John were the spiritual leaders of the Early Church. We take an interest not just in the life and sayings of Jesus, but also these four people.

The fact that their words were of secondary importance didn't diminish their authority. Jesus appointed them. Their words were valid as long as they were building on top of the foundation that already existed (Jesus). As long as they were building on top of that foundation, anything they said carries authority.

I wouldn't, however, be interested so much in what words the New Testament might be missing, as Christianity has no essential Text. The New Testament simply records the life and sayings of Jesus, Paul, Peter, James and John. The New Testament is simply the most recommended Text for understanding Christianity. It is not essential, just highly recommended!!! Apart from these five people, there were others as well. Over the last 2,000 years, Christianity had a continuous stream of spiritual leaders, each adapting Christianity to the time and place in which they lived. Looking back at the life and sayings of Jesus, Paul, Peter, James and John is what allows us to relive the first-century experience, despite historical baggage and 2,000 years separating us. Some churches have not kept up with the times. The mission, goal and expectation is the same, but the approach to life, dealing with the world, relationships, social connections and politics must be different. It must be appropriate for the time and place.

The important question is, how does Mohammed and the Quran build on top of the foundation (Jesus)?

[islamis4u]

Originally Posted by Saltmeister

But how would you measure respect? Respect is a quality not a quantity. You don't assign numbers to respect. Respect can only be described and depicted. I can't say that you have 5 volts of respect for a prophet and then say that I have 10 volts of respect for him. What then, makes 1 volt of respect? I cannot therefore say that I have more respect than you because numbers don't really mean much when we're talking about respect.

Likewise, respect for a prophet or spiritual leader in a religion isn't determined by how many verses you have referring to him. It's the quality of the description or depiction that the Text or adherents of a faith that determine the amount of respect one has for a spiritual leader. It's more conducive to say whether a person has been rude or arrogant than to say that a Text has more verses referring to a spiritual leader. Does the Text, for example, respect the prophet's mission or vocation?



The Christian Texts not only preserve the life and sayings of Jesus, but also that of "apostles" like Paul, Peter, James and John, who continued his mission. Jesus' words were of course, of primary importance, but the words of Paul, Peter, James and John were also important. They were of secondary importance, but still quite valuable because they added both understanding and meaning to the mission Jesus had given the early Christians. It was the words of Paul, Peter, James and John, as well as those of Jesus, that made Christianity what it was and what it was becoming.

Despite their importance in Christianity, the Quran doesn't mention them. Paul, Peter, James and John were the spiritual leaders of the Early Church. We take an interest not just in the life and sayings of Jesus, but also these four people.

The fact that their words were of secondary importance didn't diminish their authority. Jesus appointed them. Their words were valid as long as they were building on top of the foundation that already existed (Jesus). As long as they were building on top of that foundation, anything they said carries authority.

I wouldn't, however, be interested so much in what words the New Testament might be missing, as Christianity has no essential Text. The New Testament simply records the life and sayings of Jesus, Paul, Peter, James and John. The New Testament is simply the most recommended Text for understanding Christianity. It is not essential, just highly recommended!!! Apart from these five people, there were others as well. Over the last 2,000 years, Christianity had a continuous stream of spiritual leaders, each adapting Christianity to the time and place in which they lived. Looking back at the life and sayings of Jesus, Paul, Peter, James and John is what allows us to relive the first-century experience, despite historical baggage and 2,000 years separating us. Some churches have not kept up with the times. The mission, goal and expectation is the same, but the approach to life, dealing with the world, relationships, social connections and politics must be different. It must be appropriate for the time and place.

The important question is, how does Mohammed and the Quran build on top of the foundation (Jesus)?

You said about that how we attribute ourself to Jesus(pbuh) or what we belief is important. I will ask you where we said bad to Jesus(pbuh). We always respect Him(pbuh). You know what is the first miracle Jesus(pbuh) performed according to the Bible? Changing water into a wine!!!

That is the respect im talking about what miracle Jesus(pbuh) according to Quran performed was the Speaking the truth when He(pbuh) can't speak. This is respect. About taking out of words i may have to say to you or tell you some examples, look you said they added the work then i must say that you by your ownself is saying that its not true word of God i agree that the adding things according to you are right? okay na?
For you which is best thing to prefer you would say the word of God okay then Paul, if you have to choose? okay? According to you that Jesus(PBUH) was nouzbillah God in human form okay? Paul was not god okay? Then i must ask you where Jesus(pbuh) say im God or worship me? A human can be you misunderstood but not God.

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by islamis4u

We show more respect to him then Christian itself.

no you dont really, and you really dont know much about him or who christ is or all the prophets for that matter, when your text is deficient regarding these important things, so your stance based on only what you know thru islamic studies is limited, unless you read text outside of the koran.

[Saltmeister]

Originally Posted by islamis4u

About taking out of words i may have to say to you or tell you some examples, look you said they added the work then i must say that you by your ownself is saying that its not true word of God i agree that the adding things according to you are right? okay na? For you which is best thing to prefer you would say the word of God okay then Paul, if you have to choose? okay?

Sometimes God doesn't have to say anything. Sometimes human minds are adequate in knowing and understanding the work that he wants them to do, without being told. After Jesus was gone, Paul, Peter, James and John continued his mission using his life and sayings to guide them.

There was no "science" or "magic formula" telling them what to do. They relied on their natural intuition to guide them. Jesus' life and sayings were what gave them direction and purpose. But in the meantime, they needed to tell others what to do with themselves. So the New Testament recorded not just what Jesus said and did, but also what the apostles said and did. We needed two examples on how to live: Jesus himself and the lives of his disciples, apostles and early followers. It is like when you use the hadiths to interpret the Quran.

God had already given all of them inspiration to get started. So here I am not really giving Paul, Peter, James and John all of the credit. God created them, he created their minds and hearts, he sent Jesus to them and who in turn, by what he said and did, gave them the inspiration to do what they did. It was really God who conceived it all and set it all in motion. He didn't need to say and do that much after He had sent Jesus. God put them all up to it.

Paul, Peter, James and John were secondary messengers in this regard. Sure it wasn't God speaking, but God had sent them too, indirectly. God had implicitly sent anyone who built over the foundation that had been laid (Jesus). That means that if I build over the foundation, God has implicitly sent me too.

Originally Posted by islamis4u

According to you that Jesus(PBUH) was nouzbillah God in human form okay? Paul was not god okay? Then i must ask you where Jesus(pbuh) say im God or worship me? A human can be you misunderstood but not God.

Hey, islamis4u. I didn't say Jesus was God in my post. Nor did I say anything about worshipping him!!! I just talked about how the life and sayings of Jesus and the apostles were important in Christianity. I don't consider this line of argument important at this stage. Please remind me later if it becomes relevant.

By the way, what's nouzbillah?

[dailogue is the best]

Hello everybody,

I discovered that Christians know almost nothing about the Prophet Muhammed(pbuh), but some stereotypes....I was expecting a discussion about his life, certain events, or his teachings....Shockingly, I found out that you dont know a lot about Muhammed, and if you know something, it out of truth, and just stereotypes far from any citations or proofs.....please, take some time, read about him and discuss me....

Hello, sis, path of one

A prophet is the one who was sent by God to call people to His Way. Moses, Jesus, Muhammed are all prophets, and there are many others whom the Quran mentioned. when we say one is a prophet, that is to say, he is sent by God's order....not out of his choice...So, Moses was a prophet because it is God who sent him to the people of Israel...can I ask a question: in what sense you make a difference between a spiritual leader and a prophet?

Hello, bro, saltmeister

thanks for the clarification.....I know how the issue of Trinity is controvesial among the Christian themselves.....

concerning your last question about what i meant by "if you believe the prophet is sensual"...Actually,through my reading to some Orientalists writings and movies, I unfortunately discovered that they give the prophet Muhammed a picture of a man of lusts and desires.that what i meant. you know? They are attacking blindly and immorally,unfortunately.....


In reality, I m thinking: What the result shall I come with from this post?Are the Christians ignorant about the prophet Muhammed? Do they care to know about him or not?.........................just questions, and I m wondering because honestly I was expecting a lot of discussion and questions based on your readings about Muhammed(pbuh), but I found nothing.....

with my best wishes
sis, DB

[path_of_one]

Hi, DB-

In terms of your definition of prophet, I suppose I'd agree Muhammed was a prophet for his people. Many Christians see prophecy as more to do with the foretelling of things to come, in a way. Not divination, but the sharing of a vision from God of what could come to pass. So you see Isaiah, for example, prophesying what is interpreted by Christians to be the coming of the Messiah, our Christ.

As for not knowing about Muhammed, I know a bit about him and Islam. I have taught comparative religion, including Western comparative religions, so I spent about three weeks teaching on Islam. I'm just not understanding what you are looking for. You asked what we thought of him, and I said I thought he was a spiritual leader for his people. I'm not sure what more you're looking for?

[bob x]

You cannot say you "show more respect to him then Christian itself" when you do not conserve any of his words. You only show respect to a character in a book, who happens to be named for him, but has little connection to him really.

[dailogue is the best]

Hi path of one,

thank you, sister, for your time and for replying.....Muhammed has prophecies too.....he was in connection with God, and it was natural for him to foretell coming events.......

you are wondering about what I wanted from my question.....you know? you confused me with your question......Actually, Iwas expecting you to tell me the main things that you disagree about concerning Muhammed and Islam, as we do when you ask us about our view about Jesus(pbuh) and Christianity.....I need to know how you clearly and frankly see Muhammed(pbuh) and Islam to have a clear idea about your view, but as you said earlier, I may find different views among Christians

Thank you, sister, and m sorry for troubling you.......you are a caring person
sis, DB

[path_of_one]

That's OK- it is no trouble. I was just confused. I already said what I thought of Muhammed. As for Islam, I think it is a beautiful religion that, like all other religions, has unfortunately been misused by people in power (just as Christianity and the others have as well).

I don't really disagree with other religions, in general. I'm too much of a universalist for that. I believe that all people who are sincere in their efforts to connect with God/the Divine will do so and be saved through Christ whether they are Christian or not. That is a very liberal Christian viewpoint but it is not uncommon. There are other Christians who believe differently. We're a pretty diverse group.

There are, indeed, things that I learned from Islam and found great beauty and truth in, and I can go into some detail if you like. I walk a "path of one" and weave the goodness I find in any faith into my own, but at the heart of my spiritual walk is first, God and Christ and second, the Earth and all her beings.

[Pico]

Muhammad is one of the people the Bible warned us about:

1 John 2:22-23
"22Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son. 23No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also."

Galatians 1:6-9
"I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!"

[Saltmeister]

Originally Posted by dailogue is the best

concerning your last question about what i meant by "if you believe the prophet is sensual"...Actually,through my reading to some Orientalists writings and movies, I unfortunately discovered that they give the prophet Muhammed a picture of a man of lusts and desires.that what i meant. you know? They are attacking blindly and immorally,unfortunately.....

I think some people like thinking of the Quran, Mohammed and Islam as sex-obsessed. But most Muslim men only have one wife and polygamy is a lot more common in some other modern religions like Mormonism/LDS than Islam. I used to go to web sites that made comparisons between Mohammed and Jesus, some of them had this perception of Mohammed -- that of a sex-obsessed prophet.

But I soon realised that this was just a desire that particular individuals had of wanting to see Mohammed a particular way. They wanted to see Mohammed as a sex-obsessed prophet, so they came up with a description, pulling quotes from the Quran and hadiths, to create a picture of a sex-obsessed prophet.

It was unrealistic to think that Islam was about a sex-obsessed prophet, particularly if Muslims I met in the real world didn't think of him that way. My disappointment with a lot of the Mohammed vs. Jesus comparisons I found on web sites was that they often made Mohammed look decadent. A lot of Islam vs. Christianity comparisons focus on dogmatic aspects of the two religions. But I think there are much deeper issues.

Originally Posted by dailogue is the best

In reality, I m thinking: What the result shall I come with from this post?Are the Christians ignorant about the prophet Muhammed? Do they care to know about him or not?.........................just questions, and I m wondering because honestly I was expecting a lot of discussion and questions based on your readings about Muhammed(pbuh), but I found nothing.....

I didn't know Mohammed was really that important in Islam, so important that you'd want to know about his personal life. Wasn't he just a messenger? Perhaps I'm wrong in this regard, that learning and knowing about Mohammed might enhance my understanding of Islam?

I have a rather vague picture of what Mohammed did during his time as a prophet. It's been a while since I've read the stories. I have been exposed to it before, but perhaps the reason why I have forgotten most of the stuff I read is because I didn't see much value in remembering the details. I could only have remembered if it was important. A Muslim remembers because he thinks about why such details are important to Islam. Since I didn't have that much interest in how Islam worked and what it meant, such details weren't important to me. But that was a while ago.

If there was a reason why I didn't have many questions to ask or if I didn't discuss Mohammed's personal history, it was because of two reasons. One was that I had only a vague idea of Mohammed's personal history. The second was that I didn't think I had anything useful at the time to introduce to the discussion.

On the other hand, what I said about Jesus might put things in context. The question might be, what did Mohammed do that was different to what Jesus did?

[dailogue is the best]

Hello, Pico..
thank you for giving your view about Muhammed, supported by citation....I ll try to reply.....

You know what? when Muhammed began to call for Islam in the Arabia peninsula, the pagan Arab there, who saw in Muhammed's mission threat to their economical affaires as they were selling idols, startred attaking Muhammed verbally and physically. they called him mad, poet, possessed and soothsayer, BUT they couldnt NEVER EVER called him a liar, despite all their hatred....you know why? because Muhammed lived among them....he spent all his youth among them before he was ordered by God to call people to Islam.....he lived among them, and during this period, he was known by his high morals and standards, they used to call him "the sincere", ...that's why when he began asking people to worship the only and the one God, they couldn't accuse him of lying......even in his jokes, Muhammed used to say nothing, but truth. how come?(look at Islam forum, JOKES thread by Ahanu)


Muhammed is nt anti-Christ,unless you mean against the Trinity....then, you accuse a lot Christians being anti-Christ because there a lot of Christians who are monotheists.

Hey, dear path of one,

thanks for the information....I m very grateful....May God hold you protectively in the palm of His hands throughout all your life (throughout all your path of one )


Hi, saltmeister

I have a feeling that Christians now no longer fall an easy prey to stereotypes.....this is proofed by you, Saltmeister....May God bless you, brother.......

yes, what Muhammed brought is the same as all prophet brought because they come from one source God. God says:" not an apostle did we send before thee without this inspiration sent by Us to him: that there is no god but I: therefore worship and serve Me(21:25)

My best wishes

sis, DB

[Pico]

Muhammad said Christ was never crucified. Historical scholarship has overwhelming evidence otherwise.

Someone isn't telling the truth here...

[bob x]

I wouldn't call the evidence "overwhelming"; but in any case, it can only go to show that people thought Jesus was crucified, and said so. The Qur'an says that it certainly seemed to everyone that that is what happened.

[dailogue is the best]

hi, Pico

yes, it is true that Muhammed said that Jesus wasnt crucified....but you have to know that Muhammed didnt say it by his own, but through the Quran which is God's revelation.....so, Muhammed said nothing of his own.....he is a messanger....he didnt live that period with Jesus.....

eventough we,Muslims, can accept that Jesus was crucified, but did not die on the cross......this issue can be discussed between Muslims and Christians....the issue is very important, and interesting....if you are interested, I can give you some arguments that Jesus didnt die on the cross

cordially,
sis, DB