what is space?

[Zagreus]

As the Secret Doctrine puts it, "Fohat digs holes in Space." This the creative work of the Holy Spirit (sic), prior to the ensouling of matter via the 2nd Aspect. The physical permanent atom (an electron?) can be positive or negative, in terms of whether it brings force into, or removes it from the physical world, in relation to the astral.

Astral matter, the substance of the emotional plane, includes quarks and subquarks, plus much, much finer - and smaller - particles. And these, two, are the holes in the ether.

The atom of Babbitt (and the Theosophists) is most intriguing to contemplate. I can't recall if you mentioned it earlier, jase, but if you stretch the thing out, it's really composed of 10 rings, or strings - 3 primary and 7 secondary - these being the thermo spirals that are listed in Babbitt's diagram. These are coiled into the shape of a heart, more or less, and it is the combination of these particles which makes up the atom of modern science.

Permanent atoms exist on all Seven of the planes which comprise our Solar System ... from Humanity's point of view. Clairvoyant studies have focused on the physical atoms (electrons, whatever), but less so on the astral and mental permanent atoms, which incredibly smaller. The permanent atoms of the Buddhic and Atmic (Nirvanic) planes are only really significant in the case of an arhat, Master, Bodhisattva, Buddha, etc ... in relation to the Sambhogakaya, or Dharmakaya, for example.

The absolute smallest particles of matter in the System, in occult science, are those of the Monadic and Divine planes, which stand altogether outside the range of human evolution, as the planes wherein the consciousness of the Planetary and Solar Logoi, respectively, may be contacted.

All seven planes, combined, serve as the lowest Cosmic plane (or Cosmic physical), relative to six other Cosmic planes (astral, mental, Buddhic, Nirvanic, Monadic, Divine). Such is taught by the Rosicrucians (vide Max Heindel), Rudolf Steiner and Anthroposophy, as well as by the Theosophists, as per H.P. Blavatsky, Leadbeater, etc. It is also traceable to Vedic, Buddhist, Egyptian teachings, etc., along the lines of the Hermetic Axiom: As above, so below.

Leadbeater even gives a precise number of ultimate permanent atoms (of the Solar Divine plane, highest sub-plane) ... which will be found in the permanent atoms of each, successively lower atomic sub-plane, such that we can COUNT the number of ultimate Divine atoms in a physical permanent atom, for example. It's a damn huge number, if I recall correctly (7 to the 5th or 7th power, something like that). And this is all INSIDE an electron, more or less.

We know that space is mostly empty, and from what I understand about the sub-atomic world, this mostly-emptiness is so - even to the nth degree, incredibly more empty, even. The more we learn about dark matter, and how little of "reality" we actually perceive (even just physical reality), the more the findings of the occultists are proven to be accurate.

I think it would a VAST and bold overstatement, to suggest that, relative to the greater Cosmos, Humanity is able to perceive and comprehend, say ... one small grain of sand out of all the beaches upon planet Earth. In terms of the many kingdoms and types of life, it's like we can see a leaf, a mushroom, a mosquito and a hamster, and we are filling in the blanks relative to the remaining examples of life on Earth. Our laboratory is, as yet, far too small to make such sweeping generalities and draw ultimate conclusions.

I'm just waiting for one of the diehard skeptics at CR (who seem to be coming out of the woodwork of late) to accidentally witness a UFO or something, maybe the materialization of a Mahatma. Granted, we'll never hear about it, or they'll surely chalk it up to hallucination, but by God if I ever catch onto it, I'll have an ear-to-ear grin.

~Zag

[17th Angel]

You also believe in UFO's? You have seen one?

[Francis king]

although, u do know all the theosophists did was take some hinduism and put a bit of a spin on it for the middle classes in the ignorant west, and that it was rumoured that Leadbetter liked young boys... in the biblical sense... just thought I'd mention it..

[Zagreus]

Originally Posted by Francis king

although, u do know all the theosophists did was take some hinduism and put a bit of a spin on it for the middle classes in the ignorant west, and that it was rumoured that Leadbetter liked young boys... in the biblical sense... just thought I'd mention it..

Well he was a liberal Catholic priest, ya know ... so that would certainly explain it. What we can we say? Even the occultists, with the best of intentions, get caught up with the wrong crowd sometimes.

As for the Hinduism, yes, it's rather interesting, isn't it Francis? What can you tell us about it? Know much about the Yugas? Are you familiar with the the Indian idea of several levels (and vehicles) of consciousness? You have an interest in one of Master KH's better known incarnations. What do you know of Madhyamika? I'm rather interested in the chittamatrins, myself.

~zag

[pfw]

Space is bigger than the biggest thing ever and then some- you might think the walk dow the road to the shop is long but that's nothing compared to space... (appologies to Douglas Adams for that bad misquote). Zagreus, could you recomend any good reading material on Yugas, the Indian idea of levels of conciousness, Madhysamika and Hinduism in general? It sounds interesting enough to look into anyway.