What is Objective Truth

[China Cat Sunflower]

Wow, those are cute kids! Almost as cute as mine!

Chris

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

I'm not exactly sure what love, in the largest sense, is. I think you're on to something though, and maybe that's why we have such an emotional connection with beauty. You can beat me and I won't cry, but I'll easily get all misty over something beautiful, especially if there's a connection with what seems universally good and right. Maybe that's another way to look at truth in the terms you described?

Chris

Chris, and Ruby, I can't really defend this point, and I'm not even sure how much of it is based upon faith, how much on reason. I do choose this as my worldview though, and fit things in from there. I've never formally studied philosophy, and even my Christianity knowledge is by the seat of my pants. I put all my formal education into the field of science, which you would think would include a grounding in philosophy, or at least logic (I actually think I have a pretty good natural skill in logic, but I'm typically lazy), but actually it is very...pragmatic. I get frustrated with discussing how many angels dance on the head of a pin rather quickly. Especially when you spend all kinds of time trying to understand what a person is saying, only to find at the bottom of it all an assumption, or a whole bunch of assumptions. Give me the material universe and scientific method any day.

luna

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by RubySera_Martin

Luna, what adorable little girls! Why can't they take after you? Are they adopted?

Thank you. Yes, they are adopted. The older one is just six and the younger is 3.5.

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

Wow, those are cute kids! Almost as cute as mine!

Chris

Your kids are cute. I remember the picture in the thread in the lounge (or was it introductions?). Anyway, somewhere around here. And about the same ages as mine.

[China Cat Sunflower]

This was her first dance recital a few weeks ago. Now you tell me this isn't just the cutest!



Chris

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

This was her first dance recital a few weeks ago. Now you tell me this isn't just the cutest!

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Chris

She's beautiful! If I did not have two equally cute but actually ever so slightly cuter because they are mine girls I would be able to objectively and truthfully say she is the cutest.

But yes, she is pretty darn cute.

luna

[China Cat Sunflower]

hey Luna,

Tiger Woods missed the cut at the open. Wow!

Chris

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

hey Luna,

Tiger Woods missed the cut at the open. Wow!

Chris

Really!? Unbelievable!

I have not been watching at all. My hub called last night to say that he was stocking hats for 15 hours straight in a big hot merchandise tent and did not see any golf yet. He may have gotten out today, but I have not heard from him yet.

Anyway, that is a suprise about Tiger. My daughter is going to be so disappointed--she loves to watch him play and root for him.

luna

[cavalier]

Neither having children, nor enjoying golf, I guess I'll have to write about something else.

I don't think anyone yet has given an example of objective truth, I'm not sure if any exist. Some have spoken of geography, that we know where a place is by longitude and latitude, but this is not constant, plate tectonics, landslides, mudflows...
it also must be said that there are those who would not mark out land through logitude and latitude.
juantoo speaks of good topsoil that he can feel in his hand, a couple of things here. what's good for the goose isn't always good for the gander, I'm no gardener, or farmer but don't different plants require different soils?
Also good topsoil will not necessarily remain good topsoil.

How can we know that we know what we believe that we know?

[seattlegal]

Short, sweet, and to the point: objective truth is impartial, and free from personal prejudices. If a tree falls in the forest, and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound? If you answer "yes," that would be an expression of the belief in objective truth. If you answer "no," that would be an expression of the belief that truth is subjective, relative, and personal. JMHO.

[Vajradhara]

Namaste all,

hmm.. my view?

as near as i can discern, an "objective truth" is that which allows another being to proclaim their view as "correct" and "the truth" whislt denying that same ability to another.

further, it seems to be a bit of human hubris to hold the view that our current levels of consciousnes would enable a human to ascertain "objective truth". that, of course, doesn't seem to stop us human types from this sort of endeavor though

i'll read the rest of the thread now.

metta,

~v

[cavalier]

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

further, it seems to be a bit of human hubris to hold the view that our current levels of consciousnes would enable a human to ascertain "objective truth".

yassss

[flowperson]

Hey Cav !

Love your new avatar ! And to think he started out as one of Muhammed Ali's bodyguards on the great south side of Chicago ! Is America a great country or what ?

flow....

[cavalier]

Originally Posted by flowperson

Love your new avatar !

Thanks, I wanted something that really summed up who I am, and where I am on my spiritual journey. I think Mr.T does that.

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by cavalier

Thanks, I wanted something that really summed up who I am, and where I am on my spiritual journey. I think Mr.T does that.

ROFL!