WHAT IS lOVE??? - Page 6

flowperson · 08-14-2006, 08:34 PM

And beside that...the rain in Spain falls mainly in the plain.

flow....

cavalier · 08-15-2006, 01:22 AM

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Well, I would certainly argue it's not definable, although I would want to add that that, in itself, does not mean we should not try to define it none-the-less.... So I guess I would say that without feeling love, or a love, we cannot know it or understand it. Reason, definition and argument would mean nothing to us.

I'm not sure but maybe the confusion comes from the fact that you've only highlighted part of the sentence and thus changed it's meaning. To change the meaning back I've highlighted two other words which are very important in expressing what I meant.

cavalier · 08-15-2006, 01:35 AM

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What I am now understanding...maybe is that you feel a discussion about love or the Tao seeking an exact definition is worthless in due to the fact that the exact definition is unattainable.

Yes, though possibly it could be worse than useless if the people actually arrive at a "definition".

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Yet you feel the discussion itself has value?

Not the discussion, but a discussion, a different other discussion where people could share experiences and views (which would help our individual and collective understanding)but where there was no thought of absolute definition.

cavalier · 08-15-2006, 01:55 AM

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Then what did I misrepresent about you or your positions?

Read post 60.

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I personally like the discussion of the meaning of symbols, for the reasons I've stated. Obviously, Lao Tzu liked it too or he wouldn't have written anything down.

Yes, Lao Tzu wrote about the tao, but he makes it very clear that it can't be defined. Isn't this what I've been saying about love? Again and again I've said that I think discussion to be good, simply that it should be a discussion where thoughts of absolute definition are left behind.

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You think this discussion is a waste of time. So why are you participating in it?

Once again you're jumping to the wrong conclusions.
The discussion that we are having now is entirely different to the one being had when I made my original comments.
The discussion we are having now, is about what the nature of our discussion about love should be. I do not feel this to be a waste of time which is why I am still writing.

Abogado del Diablo · 08-15-2006, 02:13 AM

Who are you to say what our discussion should be?

The only waste of time is this last two pages of pointless discussions wherein you suggest that you should be able to dictate to people what they can and can't discuss.

This has gotten tiresome.

Enjoy the last word.

cavalier · 08-15-2006, 02:15 AM

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I think that what you are offended by is the invasion of the sacrosanctity of your preferred symbol ("love") by an attempt to create a collaborative experience between individuals.

Why do you still harbor this notion that I am offended by "an invasion of the sacrosanctity of my preferred symbol"?
This might have applied when you were talking to someone else on this thread, but it does apply to me. I have set out what offends me.

I want to make sure that this goes into your head, are you ready?
Love is not my "preferred symbol", I am not one of the "many Christians" you referred to in post 57, the ones who you so much want to tear down.
My objections are entirely different.
Please disagree with me, argue with me, but just argue with the things that I actually think rather than the things someone else thinks.

cavalier · 08-15-2006, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Abogado del Diablo

Who are you to say what our discussion should be?

The only waste of time is this last two pages of pointless discussions wherein you suggest that you should be able to dictate to people what they can and can't discuss.

This has gotten tiresome.

Enjoy the last word.

I haven't dictated what your discussion should be, I've simply set out my views, the same as you've set out yours.

Perhaps I will have the last word, but I will not enjoy it.
It saddens me that you walk away without ever making a reply to the views I have stated, instead I have just seen post after post where you claim to reply to me but instead answer views that are not my own.

ETS2K · 08-15-2006, 03:15 AM

Love is but a word it's the connection that matters....

seattlegal · 08-15-2006, 07:33 AM

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Love is but a word it's the connection that matters....

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Originally Posted by John 1:1-5

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

wil · 08-15-2006, 01:54 PM

Love....it seems it is always better to express what is in our heart rather than put that up against thoughts of others.

The thoughts and concepts of others are just that. If we agree we can take them in, add them to our collection, if we disagree we can leave them on the side of the road...(the thoughts, not the people)

Love is caring enough to seek to understand what another is trying to convey, that is if we are of interest to carry on a conversation or relationship....Love may mean leaving well enough alone...or leaving all together.

Love is knowing that others think differently than I, and respecting that.

Love is moving forward, and not getting stuck in the quagmire.

As usual these are personal thoughts

wil

samabudhi · 08-15-2006, 02:56 PM

'Love is covert egoism'
- Milarepa

cavalier · 08-15-2006, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by wil

Love....it seems it is always better to express what is in our heart rather than put that up against thoughts of others.

The thoughts and concepts of others are just that. If we agree we can take them in, add them to our collection, if we disagree we can leave them on the side of the road...(the thoughts, not the people)

Love is caring enough to seek to understand what another is trying to convey, that is if we are of interest to carry on a conversation or relationship....Love may mean leaving well enough alone...or leaving all together.

Love is knowing that others think differently than I, and respecting that.

Love is moving forward, and not getting stuck in the quagmire.

As usual these are personal thoughts

wil

In the words of Bobby de Niro, "You got a gift my friend."

You seem able, with wonderful grace and humility, to cut to the heart of an issue or debate and lift it out of the quagmire. I appreciate your posts and recognize that I could learn a lot from you.

wil · 08-15-2006, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by cavalier

In the words of Bobby de Niro, "You got a gift my friend."

You seem able, with wonderful grace and humility, to cut to the heart of an issue or debate and lift it out of the quagmire. I appreciate your posts and recognize that I could learn a lot from you.

'ah shucks' he says as he twists the toe of his shoe into the dust.

The outward response and sheepish grin as he stares at his feet conceal the swelling of his ego, which is purring like a kitten being stroked. Tis funny he thinks how good we feel when we take what we know and apply it, and he wonders why we don't do it more often.

He looks up sideways sort of and mumbles, "de nada, we were both brought our forks to the table."

flowperson · 08-15-2006, 11:48 PM

wil:

You're talking about yourself in the third person alot lately. Are you sure that you aren't Bob Dole ?

flow....

Quahom1 · 08-16-2006, 12:32 AM

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wil:

You're talking about yourself in the third person alot lately. Are you sure that you aren't Bob Dole ?

flow....

That was "Precious"...

v/r

Q