what is Armageddon?

[China Cat Sunflower]

Originally Posted by Dream

Its semantics. Abraham was told he would be the father of many nations, and the tribes are actually considered nations though together they are also a nation. They were forbidden to marry in such a way as to cause property to transfer between tribes, so each tribe was separate. At least that is the sense in which the tribes are thought of by the gospels and Paul. They are nations, and a nation. The twelve apostles were told by Jesus that each would sit upon a throne in charge of one of the tribes (Matt 19:28). Because Judas lost his place the other apostles had to find a replacement to take his throne. In Acts 1:26 the remaining eleven apostles cast lots to select Judas' replacement, Matthias.

It's sort of a mythological construct like the knights of the round table?

Chris

[Dream]

More practical. It was a practical language method in their time, however our population is not as 'Tribe' aware as theirs was, which is where the difficulty lies. Here we are, 2000 years into the future, and we don't live in tribes and clans anymore, and the word 'Nation' refers to our Republic instead of our 'States'. It is difficult for us to envision the point of view of Tribes. That's one reason the US had difficulty understanding politics in Afghanistan for the longest time.

For a clearer example of tribal unity: In the US, many Indian tribes have signed treaties and obtained large tracts of land within the US called 'Reservations'. These tribes are considered separate nations under treaty, and have their own laws. Semantically I could either say 'Go speak to each Indian Reservation' or I could say 'Go speak to every Tribe' and it would be the same thing. Are they separate nations, or are they part of the US? They would say they're separate.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Alex P

Living forever doesn't appeal to me greatly...

you say that ,but if you never grew old and frail or had sickness or mental health problems , when would be the day that you woke up in the morning and said...... OK today i will die ........ you would not want to die , you would want to go on living ,its only the things that are enemies to us
such as oldage , sickness, and death of loved ones ,that make us want to die. if you had youthful vigour and perfect mind and body you would not want to die and its also the problems that this world throws at us that make people want to die. but in Gods NEW WORLD it will be very good to live for ever

[mee]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

What crass reasoning!! If you can do nothing but believe and preach a corrupted logic in this life how greater the waste to do it for eternity!!

some people think the bible is not the word of God, but as for mee i love the promises of God.

But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth,
And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.

psalm 37;11


Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth. matthew 5;5

The righteous themselves will possess the earth,
And they will reside forever upon it. psalm 37;29

With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: "Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away." revelation 21;3-4



But there are new heavens(rulership) and a new earth (earthly society of people)that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell. 2 peter 3;13



yes and it is verrrrry goooood

[mee]

Originally Posted by Alex P

I know imperfection = Character and makes us who we is. haha, we are using Mee's concept of perfect here.... No one is born like that.

That is why, just as through one man (adam)sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned—. ROMANS 5;12 WE ARE ALL AN IMPERFECT LOT we all grow old and die


For since death is through a man,(adam) resurrection of the dead is also through a man.(Jesus) For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive. 1 corinthians 15;21;22



For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord. ROMANS 6;23.

[mee]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

Right on! I'm just saying that I enjoy my house, my kids, my wife. I like pulling my weeds and mowing my lawn. I enjoy my work. I'm doing exactly what I want to do, and there is a great measure of freedom in that. I've been the rolling stone, the lone wolf my whole life. I still am, but I really dig the comfort and security of the family life. It's something I never had before.

Chris

YES THOSE THINGS ARE REAL GOOD i enjoy those things as well . Jehovah instigated the family and it is very good .
but lets not forget the most high who gave us those things psalm 83;18

[mee]

[quote=Dream;142041]Why do you say Christians are required to reach all countries with the gospel, Mee? First of all, we are not part of the Great Commission at all. quote]


and Jesus said the following
And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things."


The Great Prophet, Jesus Christ, gave a composite "sign" of things that would occur to mark not only the conclusion of the Jewish system of things in the first century but the end of the worldwide system of things today.


and among those signs was this one in matthew 24;14


And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.matthew 24;14


yes Jesus is with his followers , and they are doing just what he wants .

and the GOODNEWS about the kingdom ,that was set up in 1914 is happening on a global scale .

and it is very goodnews indeed ,because Jesus has recieved his kingship and he has been given GREAT AURTHORITY and NOW he is a reigning king . daniel 7;13-14



And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people REVELATION 14;6

[mee]

The battle of Armageddon will not be fought on any one specific battlefield .instead, the entire earth will be the battleground.

WHY?

because the two opposing sides are so large that they cannot be contained at any one site

[mee]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

What crass reasoning!! If you can do nothing but believe and preach a corrupted logic in this life how greater the waste to do it for eternity!!

Armaggeddon is something that no man can stop from happening.

even if they choose to think it is from a corrupted knowledge .


yes the great day of Jehovah is near, and there is a hurrying of it very much .

lovers of Jehovah and his son Jesus christ need not fear Armageddon


a heart warming promise in PSALM 37; 24 says

Hope in Jehovah and keep his way,
And he will exalt you to take possession of the earth.
When the wicked ones are cut off, you will see [it].

[mee]

[quote=wil;141947]Who are these kings? quote]



rulers of the entire inhabited earth.......... revelation 16; 14- 16

[mee]

the book of revelation is not a road map to a litral place called Armageddon . its opening words state that the account is presented in signs revelation 1;1

[mee]

What forces will Jehovah use against his enemies?

We simply do not know.


What we do know is that he has at his disposal the means to devastate the wicked nations completely. (Job 38:22, 23; Zephaniah 1:15-18) However, God’s earthly worshippers will not participate in the battle.

The vision in Revelation chapter 19 indicates that only heavenly armies will share with Jesus Christ in the warfare. None of Jehovah’s Christian servants on earth will take part.—2 Chronicles 20:15, 17.

[mee]

Armageddon—A Happy Beginning


At Armageddon, Jehovah will not ruin our globe in a cataclysmic conflagration. Rather, he will "bring to ruin those ruining the earth."—Revelation 11:18.