what is Armageddon?

[wil]

Originally Posted by mee

.....the kings of the entire inhabited earth will be gathered togeather to the war of the GREAT DAY OF GOD ALMIGHTY . revelation 16;14

Who are these kings? Kings don't LEAD anyone into battle anymore or gather together anywhere that wouldn't be safe. They'll gladly send their minions marching to their death anywhere in this inhabited earth. I find it highly unlikely the Kings will gather to war anywhere.

Although that would be my preferred method of war today. President Bush or McCain, you wan't to go to war with Iran, get on a plane, get out your sword, have at it.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Alex P

Ah see, I've only been on this planet a mere blink of an eye... In the scale of things, not even a nano second in the timings of life and creation and all other wonderful mysteries this universe holds.. But I have already grown weary and tired of the binds and the chains and the ideas of how to use our lives, I want more experience and a more meaningful existance. Even when my work here is done and I vanish into the ether of time, I shant of been here long enough, and there is truly so freaking much to see, feel, hear, taste, touch, travel to... People to meet! People to help, people to laugh with, people to bond with, people I can stand side by side with... I want to take this golden opportunity to do so.

So these chains must break.... And then turn into little butterflies and flutter away.

just think what living forever will acomplish . no growing old to put a stop to everything........... very good

[mee]

Originally Posted by wil

Who are these kings? Kings don't LEAD anyone into battle anymore or gather together anywhere that wouldn't be safe. They'll gladly send their minions marching to their death anywhere in this inhabited earth. I find it highly unlikely the Kings will gather to war anywhere.

Although that would be my preferred method of war today. President Bush or McCain, you wan't to go to war with Iran, get on a plane, get out your sword, have at it.

remember that gathering is not a litral gathering on a mountain ,but it is all those in opposition to Jehovah and his annointed one (jesus christ) and it is on a worldwide scale .

The kings of earth take their stand
And high officials themselves have massed together as one
Against Jehovah and against his anointed one,psalm 2;2

And I saw the wild beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage the war with the one seated on the horse and with his army. revelation 19;19

[Alex P]

Originally Posted by mee

just think what living forever will acomplish . no growing old to put a stop to everything........... very good

Firstly, may I thank you for your respone/post.

Now down to business...

Imainge what we could acomplish, with time? Time, my brother isn't the factor, oh no... That isn't an issues, time is most certainly not of the essence here my brah. Think what deciding to help our fellow brother/sister stand will acomplish.... That's the key brah.

A man could live forever, but not choose to lift a finger, that has accomplished nada, hermano. Love isn't this emotion that magicaly appears in us, no no, it is a human descision it is a gift oh I grant you, but the other gift of free will that comes with our gift of life.... Is what is used to achieve the third gift... Then there are more gifts, but that is for another day...


We all got to grow old, who would teach the young?? We make the mistakes and then pray we can teach our beLoved offspring not to do the same.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Dream

I disagree, first of all because the gospel was already preached in 'all the world' as a witness to all nations, and this was recorded in the gospel of Mark and mentioned in Paul's letters. The abomination was set up and caused desolation. The end came!

Matt 24
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Mark 16
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.....
20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirmi with signs following. Amen.

With the words "Go . . . and make disciples," matthew 28;19-20the resurrected Jesus placed a heavy responsibility upon his followers.

He had in mind more than just the disciples who were present that spring day on the mountain in Galilee. The work he commissioned involves reaching "people of all the nations," and it continues "until the conclusion of the system of things." Clearly, this commission applies to all followers of Christ, including us today.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Alex P

Firstly, may I thank you for your respone/post.

Now down to business...

Imainge what we could acomplish, with time? Time, my brother isn't the factor, oh no... That isn't an issues, time is most certainly not of the essence here my brah. Think what deciding to help our fellow brother/sister stand will acomplish.... That's the key brah.

A man could live forever, but not choose to lift a finger, that has accomplished nada, hermano. Love isn't this emotion that magicaly appears in us, no no, it is a human descision it is a gift oh I grant you, but the other gift of free will that comes with our gift of life.... Is what is used to achieve the third gift... Then there are more gifts, but that is for another day...


We all got to grow old, who would teach the young?? We make the mistakes and then pray we can teach our beLoved offspring not to do the same.

yes , it will take me a 1000 years to gain perfection . i am a work in progress . and you are correct in saying that we could choose to not lift a finger , but it will be better if we choose to go along with Gods purpose now ,then we will have the chance to live FOREVER

[Alex P]

And still we will need to work on decisions not just sitting around believing we are perfect. Testing ourselves and teaching... You can't be born perfect... Even your Jesus (Peace be upon him.) Had lessons to learn.... And he was constantly tested wasn't he? And he also had to go and teach, Love is learnt and understood its an upgrade, it don't come as standard.

I seriously have come to appreciate the fact I am alive... What are the fricken odds? But now? I have come to appreciate Love.... So all I wish for is world Peace and Love and unity... Living forever doesn't appeal to me greatly... All things beside Love live within it's shadow.

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by mee

just think what living forever will acomplish . no growing old to put a stop to everything........... very good

What crass reasoning!! If you can do nothing but believe and preach a corrupted logic in this life how greater the waste to do it for eternity!!

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by Alex P

not just sitting around believing we are perfect... You can't be born perfect...

Ohhh but i beg to disagree!! My imperfections are sublimely perfect!!

[Alex P]

I know imperfection = Character and makes us who we is. haha, we are using Mee's concept of perfect here.... No one is born like that.

[China Cat Sunflower]

Originally Posted by Alex P

Ah see, I've only been on this planet a mere blink of an eye... In the scale of things, not even a nano second in the timings of life and creation and all other wonderful mysteries this universe holds.. But I have already grown weary and tired of the binds and the chains and the ideas of how to use our lives, I want more experience and a more meaningful existance. Even when my work here is done and I vanish into the ether of time, I shant of been here long enough, and there is truly so freaking much to see, feel, hear, taste, touch, travel to... People to meet! People to help, people to laugh with, people to bond with, people I can stand side by side with... I want to take this golden opportunity to do so.

So these chains must break.... And then turn into little butterflies and flutter away.

Right on! I'm just saying that I enjoy my house, my kids, my wife. I like pulling my weeds and mowing my lawn. I enjoy my work. I'm doing exactly what I want to do, and there is a great measure of freedom in that. I've been the rolling stone, the lone wolf my whole life. I still am, but I really dig the comfort and security of the family life. It's something I never had before.

Chris

[Dream]

Why do you say Christians are required to reach all countries with the gospel, Mee? First of all, we are not part of the Great Commission at all. The 'Nations' mentioned in your scripture Matt 28:19-20 and Mark 16 are the nations of Israel which are Twelve. 12 nations --> 12 apostles. This is the most obvious in Peter's conversation in Acts 2, where he talks about his commission to reach all of Israel. His commission would have required the snakes, poison, and supernatural languages mentioned of the Great Commission you keep bringing up. They are Israeli signs -- not Gentile ones.

Gentile Christians came from a separate commission than the 12 apostle's Great Commission. Matt 28 does not play into it at all! All believers, both Gentile and 'Saint' are told to hold fast in I Thessalonians 5:11-23 until the king returns, but the Great Commission had to be completed before that time.

[China Cat Sunflower]

How do you figure there are twelve nations of Israel? At the time of writing Israel wasn't itself a nation.

Chris

[Alex P]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

Right on! I'm just saying that I enjoy my house, my kids, my wife. I like pulling my weeds and mowing my lawn. I enjoy my work. I'm doing exactly what I want to do, and there is a great measure of freedom in that. I've been the rolling stone, the lone wolf my whole life. I still am, but I really dig the comfort and security of the family life. It's something I never had before.

Chris

My heart rejoices Chris my brother.

[Dream]

How do you figure there are twelve nations of Israel?

Its semantics. Abraham was told he would be the father of many nations, and the tribes are actually considered nations though together they are also a nation. They were forbidden to marry in such a way as to cause property to transfer between tribes, so each tribe was separate. At least that is the sense in which the tribes are thought of by the gospels and Paul. They are nations, and a nation. The twelve apostles were told by Jesus that each would sit upon a throne in charge of one of the tribes (Matt 19:28). Because Judas lost his place the other apostles had to find a replacement to take his throne. In Acts 1:26 the remaining eleven apostles cast lots to select Judas' replacement, Matthias.