what happens when a muslem goes to heaven?

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

does mixing sexuality with heaven cause men to do whatever it takes to achieve that reward, and does it cause men to be so preoccupied with it, that it causes suppression and the covering up of women as if they are one big private part?

As salaam aleykum

I am new to the site so I hope you do not mind me jumping into your discussion. All posts on this thread seem to be from men, so I thought a female Muslim view may add something to the discussion.

If my husband (indeed if all men) get 10 million wives in heaven, I don't care. I do not see it as demeaning to me, good luck to them if that is what they have wished for. If I am good enough to get to heaven, insha'Allah, then I shall have what I wished for (and that is not 10 million husbands ).

Many non Muslims hear about the Islamic view of heaven and immediately think "huge orgy". This is a total misconception. Imagine the day of judgement has come and you are lucky enough to get into heaven, what would you wish for? At the moment you think you would wish for things to satisfy your human desires but remember that those lucky enough to get to heaven will be completely changed, their body, their mind, their emotions, etc. How could G-d describe to us the unimaginable? Only in terms that humans would understand. So really we have no idea what heaven would be like because Allah has told us that it is unimaginable to the human mind.

Wow, what do I say about your comment "suppression of women and the covering up of women as if they are one big private part?". Firstly, I am not suppressed and secondly I AM one big private part. My body is for my husband only, would you prefer I show it off to all and sundry? No thankyou, this is my choice alone not forced upon me by any man or woman. Perhaps this is not the right thread for this discussion - if you want to talk about it further you can go to my introduce yourself thread and I will happily answer your questions about 'suppressed Muslim women'.

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

does mixing sexuality with heaven cause men to do whatever it takes to achieve that reward, and does it cause men to be so preoccupied with it, that it causes suppression and the covering up of women as if they are one big private part?

I posted a comment here yesterday but it doesn't show so apologies if you get 2. Also sorry this is such a long post but I feel it is an important subject.

All posts on this thread seem to be from men so I thought a female view may add something to the discussion.

Firstly I would like to comment on BlaznFattyz's comment "causes suppression and the covering up of women as if they are one big private part?". I AM NOT SUPPRESSED. I choose, with no influence from men, to cover my body and my hair. Yes I am one big private part for only my husband to see and enjoy. Why do people outside Islam have such a problem with this? If I chose to walk around all day wearing a ninja turtle outfit people would laugh but they wouldn't be offended, so why do you feel offended that I make the choice to wear hijab?

Where do you get this idea of suppression? Yes some Muslim women are suppressed but not by Islam, it is by cultural practice. Example, in Saudi women are not allowed to drive, this is suppression because there is nothing in the Quran about women not being allowed to ride a donkey (the mode of transport for the time).

Are we suppressed because we cannot have boyfriends and sleep around? Ask any western parents with a teenage daughter if they want or approve of her sleeping around, the answer is largely a resounding no. Ask young men in the west what sort of woman they want to marry, the answer is usually a virgin, even though they want to sleep with half the town before they settle down - ironic isn't it. It was only in my mothers generation that women in the west became free to have numerous partners and it only truly became 'respectable' in my generation.

1400 years ago Islam gave women the right to own property, inheritance, conduct business in her own name, to divorce, etc. Please look up the history of western countries to see when these things came to the west (all within the last 100 years or so). So who has been suppressed?



Now to discuss Jannah (taken from the Hebrew name for the Garden of Eden and shortened in Arabic to mean Garden). For non Muslims, we believe that when we die we will be treated kindly or punished in the grave until the day of judgement, according to our deeds during life. After judgement we will be sent to Jahannam (hell) or allowed to enter Jannah (the original Garden of Eden). Children of all faiths that die will go to Jannah because we do not believe in original sin therefore all children are innocent of sin.

Surely those who believe (Muslims) and those who are Jews and the Sabians and the Christians whoever believes in Allah and the last day and does good-- they shall have no fear nor shall they grieve. Quran 5:69

And whoever does good deeds whether male or female and he (or she) is a believer-- these shall enter the garden, and they shall not be dealt with a jot unjustly. Quran 4:124

Why do non Muslims read about heaven in the Islamic faith and think 'huge orgy'? The realities of Jannah are beyond human understanding or imagination.
So, when we think now (as humans on earth) of the things we would want in paradise we think in human terms (beautiful women/men, gold, chocolate, etc). Allah tells us that humans (in terms of desire, health, age, etc) would be changed on the Day of Judgment. Will we therefore want the same things in the next life? I have no idea, only Allah knows the answer. So what we are actually discussing is something no-one can truly imagine.

Let us assume for a moment we do want the same things in heaven. If my husband (indeed all men) get 10 million wives or concubines in heaven really I don't care. If that is what they wish for themselves, good luck to them but it doesn't make me feel degraded in any way. If I am lucky enough insha'Allah to be allowed into paradise I will get what makes me happy and that certainly will not be 10 million husbands . We will not have the same feelings of jealousy, hatred, etc and Allah will make every inhabitant of Jannah happy. How will He achieve this, I have no idea and I will not even try to guess. All I know is that Allah has promised this and I must therefore believe him, in the same way I cannot prove Allah exists but I must believe He does.

My concern is firstly to try to be a good Muslim and earn a place in Jannah. What comes next I do not know or care, Allah will reward me with happiness and that is all I need to know.

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

does mixing sexuality with heaven cause men to do whatever it takes to achieve that reward, and does it cause men to be so preoccupied with it, that it causes suppression and the covering up of women as if they are one big private part?

Excuse me, I am not supressed or oppressed or even depressed. Yes I am one big private part that belongs only to my husband - what is the problem with that? If I walk around all day in an andy pandy suit you would laugh but not be offended so why are you offended that I choose not to walk around half dressed? I dress as a Muslimah to serve G-d not to please any man.

As for what rewards men or women get in heaven, better to leave that to G-d. We are taught that we will be 'changed' before entering paradise (ensh'allah I lead a good enough life to deserve to go) our minds, hearts, emotions, age, etc. We are also taught that paradise is beyond anything humans can imagine. So when the Quran teaches us that if we go to heaven we will get our hearts desire - what will that be? Let us do the maths, our minds, hearts and emotions will be changed + we cannot possibly imagine paradise or the life therein = no idea what we will desire when we enter paradise.

Perhaps we should spend our time worrying if we are pleasing G-d rather than what reward we may get?! For me just being in the presense of Allah would be the greatest reward I could ever hope for.

Salaam