what Gospel did Jesus preach? - Page 2

Friend · 12-28-2004, 07:43 AM

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What Gospel did Jesus preach? What good news did Jesus preach? Jesus IS and WAS the good news!

on an additional note.. do you know what God commanded of us in the bible the most? Fear not.

Peace for all

I'm afraid I didn't know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can you answer your question ????????????????

Faithfulservant · 12-28-2004, 07:50 AM

Fear not. Thats the answer

Friend · 12-28-2004, 05:03 PM

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Fear not. Thats the answer :)

How??????????????????????

Faithfulservant · 12-28-2004, 10:17 PM

how? how is it commanded or how to fear not? im sorry I do not understand your question. God does not want us to fear.. fear is crippling.. fear causes anxiety and anxiety causes depression. Gods commands of us are for our protection whether it be spiritual mental or physical.

Friend · 12-28-2004, 11:32 PM

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how? how is it commanded or how to fear not? im sorry I do not understand your question. God does not want us to fear.. fear is crippling.. fear causes anxiety and anxiety causes depression. Gods commands of us are for our protection whether it be spiritual mental or physical.

Salaam "Faithfulservant"

Do you believe that this answer is related to the original question "what Gospel did Jesus preach?" ?

Are all Gospels having the same contents or spiritual visions?
do you have something to follow in your holy book or just promise to save what ever you will do ???

Faithfulservant · 12-29-2004, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

What Gospel did Jesus preach? What good news did Jesus preach? Jesus IS and WAS the good news!

on an additional note.. do you know what God commanded of us in the bible the most? Fear not.

Friend

I answered the question of the thread and just added a little note of my own.

You asked Are all Gospels having the same contents or spiritual visions?

The gospels of Matthew Mark Luke and John do not have the same content because they are from the viewpoint of 4 different individuals.. 4 completely different types of ppl from different types of background. Each saw and heard different things and all were witness to Jesus' message and all of which contain Jesus' teachings or his Good News.

Faithful Servant

Friend · 12-29-2004, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Friend

I answered the question of the thread and just added a little note of my own.

You asked Are all Gospels having the same contents or spiritual visions?

The gospels of Matthew Mark Luke and John do not have the same content because they are from the viewpoint of 4 different individuals.. 4 completely different types of ppl from different types of background. Each saw and heard different things and all were witness to Jesus' message and all of which contain Jesus' teachings or his Good News.

Faithful Servant

Thank you Faithfulservant for your reply ,but you said " they are from the viewpoint of 4 different individuals.. 4 completely different types of ppl from different types of background Each saw and heard different things" at the same time you said " all were witness to Jesus' message and all of which contain Jesus' teachings or his Good News "

Do you think this is persuasive answer ?

Faithfulservant · 12-29-2004, 01:39 AM

Friend

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Thank you Faithfulservant for your reply ,but you said " they are from the viewpoint of 4 different individuals.. 4 completely different types of ppl from different types of background Each saw and heard different things" at the same time you said " all were witness to Jesus' message and all of which contain Jesus' teachings or his Good News "

Do you think this is persuasive answer ?

No Im not trying to "persuade" anyone with my answer. You asked Are all Gospels having the same contents or spiritual visions? They all saw and heard the SAME things as individuals. They didnt attempt to interpret what Christ said they just reported what they witnessed and experienced.

What did you mean by this question? I'm sorry but I didnt understand it.
do you have something to follow in your holy book or just promise to save what ever you will do ???

Ben57 · 12-29-2004, 05:04 AM

Hi Blue,

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Why do you seem to ignore the Thomas gospel in your Post 12?

The the best of the reaserch I have done, the Gospel of Thomas is a Gnostic work dated some time after the 1st centry, and many of its contents are not in harmony with the other four. It seems according to histoey, the other four "Gosples" were accepted by the end of the second centry.

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Why does one collection and collation of ancient texts by human beings, with various purposes perceivable, have precedence over others?

Also you claim there is 'harmony' in the 'messages' of 'good news'.
Personally, I do not detect harmony... I see and read of different slants and conceivably different purposes in the accounts... though I am glad you are not claiming the whole standard 'Bible' is harmonious, considering the many various perceptions of a monotheistic 'God' they represent.

How about presenting an example of what you see as somthing in those books that are not in harmony and why you feel that is so?

Friend · 12-29-2004, 07:20 AM

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Friend

No Im not trying to "persuade" anyone with my answer. You asked Are all Gospels having the same contents or spiritual visions? They all saw and heard the SAME things as individuals. They didnt attempt to interpret what Christ said they just reported what they witnessed and experienced.

What did you mean by this question? I'm sorry but I didnt understand it.
do you have something to follow in your holy book or just promise to save what ever you will do ???

Faithfulservant,Sorry English is not my first language ,I mean
Do you have a rules or tenets to follow in Gospels or Just words about peace and love and grant to do anything you want because at least you will be save ?

Faithfulservant · 12-29-2004, 08:15 AM

Friend

Your question: Do you have a rules or tenets to follow in Gospels or Just words about peace and love and grant to do anything you want because at least you will be saved ?

It seems to me that you think I take my salvation for granted. I, personally, do not take the sacrifice Jesus made for me lightly. I am humbled and grateful to him for it and I love him very much. Because I love him so much I will live my life to the best of my ability to please him. No matter how I try my ability alone isnt enough. I will never be good enough I can never be sinless enough and he knows that and STILL he loves me and forgives me. I would think he would get tired of forgiving me everytime I repent of my sins. He doesnt. So what rules and tenets do I follow? I try to love everyone as God loves me.. with 'agape' love. Pure unconditional love. no judgements. no condemnations. Is it always possible? no

Christians face a lot of persecution from this world because the world today hates Christ first and he warns us of that.. but he also teaches us to love our enemies who hate him and hate us. How hard that is.

If you truly put Christ on the throne and you pray and you read your bible and you allow the Holy Spirit to guide you .. you will find yourself changing.. it will be more apparent when your sinning. The Spirit uses your own conscience to guide you. Your sins become more apparent. As you mature as a Christian your thoughts will be more Christ-like and it becomes easier.

You cannot live your life as a born again Christian taking for granted that your sins will be forgiven and sinning whenever you feel like it. It doesnt work like that. God knows are hearts and our minds. He knows our intentions. He knows if we are sincere.
Luke 13:23-27
23 Then one said to Him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And He said to them, 24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, 'Lord, Lord, open for us,' and He will answer and say to you, 'I do not know you, where you are from,' 26 then you will begin to say, 'We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.' 27 But He will say, 'I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.'

Im wondering if you think Christians immoral and that we have no consequences of our actions because of our promised salvation. There are always consequences. Will immorality keep us from heaven? If we are truly contrite and we repent then yes we will go to heaven. The slate is wiped clean with true repentence. We are humble before the Lord in saying that we are not worthy of your grace. We are not worthy of your sacrifice. Your love for us is humbling.

Faithful Servant of the Almighty

Friend · 12-29-2004, 10:06 AM

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Friend

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Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Your question: Do you have a rules or tenets to follow in Gospels or Just words about peace and love and grant to do anything you want because at least you will be saved ?

It seems to me that you think I take my salvation for granted. I, personally, do not take the sacrifice Jesus made for me lightly. I am humbled and grateful to him for it and I love him very much. Because I love him so much I will live my life to the best of my ability to please him. No matter how I try my ability alone isnt enough. I will never be good enough I can never be sinless enough and he knows that and STILL he loves me and forgives me. I would think he would get tired of forgiving me everytime I repent of my sins. He doesnt. So what rules and tenets do I follow? I try to love everyone as God loves me.. with 'agape' love. Pure unconditional love. no judgements. no condemnations. Is it always possible? no

Christians face a lot of persecution from this world because the world today hates Christ first and he warns us of that.. but he also teaches us to love our enemies who hate him and hate us. How hard that is.

If you truly put Christ on the throne and you pray and you read your bible and you allow the Holy Spirit to guide you .. you will find yourself changing.. it will be more apparent when your sinning. The Spirit uses your own conscience to guide you. Your sins become more apparent. As you mature as a Christian your thoughts will be more Christ-like and it becomes easier.

You cannot live your life as a born again Christian taking for granted that your sins will be forgiven and sinning whenever you feel like it. It doesnt work like that. God knows are hearts and our minds. He knows our intentions. He knows if we are sincere.
Luke 13:23-27
23 Then one said to Him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And He said to them, 24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, 'Lord, Lord, open for us,' and He will answer and say to you, 'I do not know you, where you are from,' 26 then you will begin to say, 'We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.' 27 But He will say, 'I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.'

Im wondering if you think Christians immoral and that we have no consequences of our actions because of our promised salvation. There are always consequences. Will immorality keep us from heaven? If we are truly contrite and we repent then yes we will go to heaven. The slate is wiped clean with true repentence. We are humble before the Lord in saying that we are not worthy of your grace. We are not worthy of your sacrifice. Your love for us is humbling.

Faithful Servant of the Almighty

Faithfulservant ,My friend I'm sorry if you believed that I think Christians are immoral ,I just ask to know if the difference between Gospels influenced your life if you have practical tenets .

Are there any offenses which is bigger than others? ,I mean do you have classification about offenses ?

About our prophet Jesus (Peace Upon Him )we love him and respect him as Muslims because our god told us about his great position .and we believed that he is one of the great prophets in this earth .

Faithfulservant · 12-29-2004, 11:01 AM

Friend

sin is sin is sin......all sin is equal.

except for one

Matthew 12:31-32

31 "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Mark 3:29
28 "Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; 29 but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation"-- 30 because they said, "He has an unclean spirit."

Luke 12:10
10 And anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but to him who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven.

These three verses speak of someone having an unclean spirit continually rejecting the divinity of Christ and the Holy Spirit who worked the miracles through Christ. Giving themselves over to a reprobate mind. The Pharisees and Sadducees continually claimed that demons were working through Christ which is blasphemy against THE ALMIGHTY GOD THE SPIRIT of GOD and THE SON of GOD. In truth being a complete rejection of GOD. We cannot accept God without accepting Jesus we also cannot accept God and Jesus without accepting the Holy Spirit.. The Holy Trinity.

Faithful Servant

Friend · 12-30-2004, 01:02 AM

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Friend

sin is sin is sin......all sin is equal.

except for one

Matthew 12:31-32

31 "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Mark 3:29
28 "Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; 29 but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation"-- 30 because they said, "He has an unclean spirit."

Luke 12:10
10 And anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but to him who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven.

These three verses speak of someone having an unclean spirit continually rejecting the divinity of Christ and the Holy Spirit who worked the miracles through Christ. Giving themselves over to a reprobate mind. The Pharisees and Sadducees continually claimed that demons were working through Christ which is blasphemy against THE ALMIGHTY GOD THE SPIRIT of GOD and THE SON of GOD. In truth being a complete rejection of GOD. We cannot accept God without accepting Jesus we also cannot accept God and Jesus without accepting the Holy Spirit.. The Holy Trinity.

Faithful Servant

Peace Upon All
The Jews reject the trinity, in addition to the very first groups of Christianity such as the Ebonites, the Corinthians, the Basilidians, the Capocratians, and the Hypisistarians never know about trinity doctrine at all. The Arians, Paulicians and Goths also accepted Jesus (peace be upon him) as a prophet of God and against the trinity.

Even in the modern age there are churches in Asia, in Africa, the Unitarian church, the Jehovah's witnesses, and even the majority of today's Anglican Bishops do not worship Jesus (peace be upon him) as one in three, as what been report by the "Daily News" 25/6/84 under the heading "Shock survey of Anglican Bishops."

Moreover, the 'Socinianism', the 17th-century Christian also rejects such traditional doctrines as the Trinity and original sin, the founder is Socinus, and his Latinized name of Lelio Francesco Maria Sozzini (1525-1562), the Italian Protestant theologian.

Johannes Greber (1874) a former of Catholic priest in his book 'The Communication with the Spirit World of God' in page 371 was written, "As you see, the doctrine of a triune Godhead is not only contrary to common sense, but is entirely unsupported by the Scriptures". So another priest who was deny the trinity.

A theologians, Edouard Schillebeeckx of the Netherlands in 1979 was writings some article that rejects the doctrine of the Trinity. This caused concern to the Vatican.

Sacredstar · 12-30-2004, 01:13 AM

Dear Friend

Do you have both male and feminine energy?

Do you have the energy of the child inside you? The child that likes to play and have fun, the child that sometimes gets a little cross?

If you can accept that you have all of these energies, can you also accept that GOD does too?

being love

Sacredstar