What do you think?

[Silas]

Is God sad about sending people to hell and the coming day of judgement?

[Prober]

Originally Posted by Silas

Is God sad about sending people to hell and the coming day of judgement?

"He is not willing that any should perish" during his "strange act".

[Silas]

Originally Posted by Prober

"He is not willing that any should perish" during his "strange act".

You didnt answer the question bro.

[Prober]

Originally Posted by Silas

You didnt answer the question bro.

Sorry. I don't really know. He is unwilling and it's a strange act for Him.

Does it say somewhere that He is sad?

[Silas]

What do you mean that he is unwilling and that it is a strange for him?

[Zagreus]

Originally Posted by Silas

Is God sad about sending people to hell and the coming day of judgement?

Since I reject all three of the ideas you've proposed (personal god, hell, judgment day), I'd have to say, umm, No?

lol ... so I think you should start your post by admitting to THREE assumptions, or caveats.

I mean, come on, this doesn't even have to be on Liberal Christianity for there to be a decidedly different Christian approach to these three ideas than what you've suggested, Silas. You might start by asking, "IF you assume that some people might actually spend time/eternity in a place or experience called `hell,' what do you think the Almighty Father thinks of this - or how does He regard it, so to speak? Does it make Him sad?"

I'm kind of curious, other than about 5 people here I can think of right off the bat, who even believes in the idea of an eternal hell of punishment and torment anyway? I bet we could dig up an old poll that asks this, couldn't we!

And God, sad? Wow. I'd have to greatly warp my understanding of Deity to even begin to try to make these two concepts meet. Even if, when all is said and done, I ended up saying, "yes," it would be kinda like the algebra professor feeling sad because a third of his class failed the final exam, thus flunking the class! I mean, is this going to cause him some kind of personal grief?

Err, no. The class will repeat their studies, and get it right next time, except that they'll even have an edge over next year's class, since after all, they've seen the material before, and they already know what to expect!

Eternal hell? poppycock!!!

But of course, yeah, I know - some people do believe in such an idea!

cheers,

~Zagreus

[Silas]

Originally Posted by Zagreus

Since I reject all three of the ideas you've proposed (personal god, hell, judgment day), I'd have to say, umm, No?

lol ... so I think you should start your post by admitting to THREE assumptions, or caveats.

I mean, come on, this doesn't even have to be on Liberal Christianity for there to be a decidedly different Christian approach to these three ideas than what you've suggested, Silas. You might start by asking, "IF you assume that some people might actually spend time/eternity in a place or experience called `hell,' what do you think the Almighty Father thinks of this - or how does He regard it, so to speak? Does it make Him sad?"

I'm kind of curious, other than about 5 people here I can think of right off the bat, who even believes in the idea of an eternal hell of punishment and torment anyway? I bet we could dig up an old poll that asks this, couldn't we!

And God, sad? Wow. I'd have to greatly warp my understanding of Deity to even begin to try to make these two concepts meet. Even if, when all is said and done, I ended up saying, "yes," it would be kinda like the algebra professor feeling sad because a third of his class failed the final exam, thus flunking the class! I mean, is this going to cause him some kind of personal grief?

Err, no. The class will repeat their studies, and get it right next time, except that they'll even have an edge over next year's class, since after all, they've seen the material before, and they already know what to expect!

Eternal hell? poppycock!!!

But of course, yeah, I know - some people do believe in such an idea!

cheers,

~Zagreus

The sad and scary thing about your belief is that it will not change reality. There is a God and he will judge everyone according to their deeds. You can be forgiven if you repent and trust in the Christ.

[Prober]

Originally Posted by Silas

What do you mean that he is unwilling and that it is a strange for him?

Just the quotes from the previous texts.

I'll provide the references if you wish. Just don't remember off the top of my head...

[Silas]

Originally Posted by Prober

Just the quotes from the previous texts.

I'll provide the references if you wish. Just don't remember off the top of my head...

Lets look at 2Peter 3:9 in context and see what you think.

The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but ispatient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance (2Peter 3:9).

Who is the "you" in that verse talking about? Look at the verse before it, v8.

But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Verse 8 and 9 in context is talking about the "beloved." Who is the beloved? Look at verse 1..."This is now the second letter that I am writing to you, beloved. In both of them I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder" (2 Peter 3:1)

According to Peter, that was the 2nd letter to the "beloved." Which means, the answer to the question could be found in the first letter - "1Peter." So, lets go to 1Peter 1:1 to see who the beloved are. When we go there we see:

"Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who are elect exiles of the dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia" (1 Peter 1:1).

So you see, just from a contextual reading, we see that the verse is talking about a specific group of people. But, lest you think Im wrong, lets look at that in the orignal greek:

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.(2Peter 3:9 KJV).

Notice the words in red: "Some men," "any" and "all." The words "some men" and "any" are the SAME word in the greek, namely, the word "Tis." Here are the definations of the word:

1) a certain, a certain one
2) some, some time, a while

So, it would be just as accurate to translate the verse as thus:

"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as certain ones count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that certian ones should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

But, if context and orignal language isnt enough, we have one more exegetical proof that the verse isnt talking about all people indivisually, but all people within a specific context. Look at the word "all," its the word "Pas" in the Greek. The definations are:

1) individually
1a) each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things,everything
2) collectively
2a) some of all types

What do you think is the best defination for the word "all" in context of what is being discussed?

[Prober]

and the "strange act" is Isaiah 28:21.

Re 2 Peter 3:9, I don't read it that way, but I think I see your point. I'll have to think about it, I guess.

Thanks.

Mark

[Silas]

Originally Posted by Prober

and the "strange act" is Isaiah 28:21.

Re 2 Peter 3:9, I don't read it that way, but I think I see your point. I'll have to think about it, I guess.

Thanks.

Mark

Check out this vid on youtube. It deals with the samething I was just trying to explain. How do you see that verse, by the way?

[Prober]

Originally Posted by Silas

Check out this vid on youtube. It deals with the samething I was just trying to explain. How do you see that verse, by the way?

I'll check that out...

I see it as saying that this is a strange thing for G-d to do.

(Okay, checked it out...)

I see what you mean. I'm still not convinced, but I'll study and think about it.

Much thanks,
Mark

p.s. Didn't know they had such nice videos on YouTube.

[Silas]

Originally Posted by Prober

I'll check that out...

I see it as saying that this is a strange thing for G-d to do.

(Okay, checked it out...)

I see what you mean. I'm still not convinced, but I'll study and think about it.

Much thanks,
Mark

p.s. Didn't know they had such nice videos on YouTube.

I know right! You tube and google vids are suprising me lately, they have a lot of good stuff lately.

[Prober]

Originally Posted by Silas

I know right! You tube and google vids are suprising me lately, they have a lot of good stuff lately.

What a great witnessing tool!

[Silas]

You're right!