What do we know about God?

[MagnetMan]

Originally Posted by Dondi

Well, my view of God has always been that He as both transcedent and immanent. I'm not necessary promoting pantheism, rather panentheism. I'm just trying to figure out how. If what I said is true, that He is present in the power of atoms, what does that mean for us?

That he is consciously represented by us and also by all other atomic associations throughout the cosmos. Most gloriously for us in our Star. For me all this is not just an intellectual realization. Thirty years ago I had direct communion with the ions streaming out of our Sun. Struck by Divine madness, I have been on a spiritual haj ever since then. You can read about that world-wide pilgrimage in my book if you are interested. The title of which I do not believe I am allowed to mention here. But you can find it in my profile. Panentheism is a new word for me. Have to look that up. Better still you enlighten me.

[taijasi]

What I believe is that that Space between the particles we've as yet discovered, within an atom ... is filled by two "things." One, is yet more particles, and these are increasingly tiny. Yet any given particle, when we look into it, is found to consist mostly of "empty space." But the sub-division does not go on ad infinitum. And so, while every grouping of particles is only achieved by an application of Force - to form a larger Unit, there nonetheless remains Pure Spirit, or Energy, which I believe to be the Life of the Divine.

This is no way "reduces" God to "mere energy," or to some vague, diffuse(d) presence. A Presence, most certainly, and I would even remove the `A.' The Infinite Presence ... a Single Entity, acting throughout Cosmos from the Highest spiritual levels. Yet, as you've said, Dondi, also immanent within His Creation. And so the activity, the cohesive force within all matter (Mater = Mother), is also a Divine Expression, and as it shows up in Babbitt's atom, an electron, this material expression of God is itself, electric, pulsating, both magnetic & radiatory, and is in constant motion. There is a rotation, a revolution, and an attraction & repulsion relative to other particles. There is also color, even at this sub-atomic level, and a large enough version of Babbitt's atom (electron) diagram indicates this.

Look it up here (make sure it's enlarged), and here's a smaller image that someone has attempted to colorize. Also, how the electron/atom combines itself, through the three other ethers (four total, including the atom/electron in the sublest ether), and in the gaseous state, is shown here, for three different elements, including labels of positive & negative charge. I think the densest ether, or E4, would what science has finally called plasma. It wasn't "known," when I was in school. We just "had" solid, liquid, and gas! lol Observations have even indicated some rather interesting geometrical arrangements, such as 418 atoms/anu forming sodium, and 1008 anu in iron, 127 in lithium, 72 in helium, and 360 in neon, shown here. No wonder the Masons speak of "the Divine Architect by whom all things were made, without whom is nothing that hath been made, and whose life is the light of men." For His creations, every single atom, are both fascinating and Beautiful! God, in the very, very small ...

andrew

[taijasi]

And a few images that illustrate reverence for the Divine - and the angelic Presence of the Divine, in the very, very large, especially relevant to what you mentioned about our Star, MagnetMan ...



These illustrate, respectively, Akhenaton praising Aten - the Sun God, then the Sun & the Seven ArchAngels, then a Solar Deva, viewed clairvoyantly.



These two images are from the visionary art of Arthur Douet, showing Overlighting Angels over Australia, then Planetary Angels assisting in the building of the planetary matrix (matrix: Etymology: Latin, female animal used for breeding, parent plant, from matr-, mater ... Mother!).



andrew

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by didymus

Dondi, I respect your hesitation to read anything Gonstic. The reason I recommend this book is because Elaine Pagels does a great job of showing the different sects of Christianity in the first and second centuries. It isn't a book advocating or endorsing their beliefs. Alot of contemporary Christians today tend to think that Jesus appeared in Jerusalem performed his work,was crucified and then people worshipped him as God. While many believed he was divine there were just as many if not more who didn't regard him as such. I question whether his own family believed he was God. Some of the first Christians in order to control the people's beliefs and stop the spread of different interpretations attempted to put some rules down so that not just anybody could start up a church and interpret Jesus' words and actions as they liked. The Gnostics were opposed to any type of rules or hierarchy and ran their own churches and interpreted scriptures and oral traditions openly. As this rift grew, the mainstream orthodox christians tightened the screws even more to assure control of this issue. They didn't like the notion of allowing the general man or woman to interpret scripture and beliefs. Eventually there developed a form of christianity that the elite or in crowd believed to be sacred and this was propogated and due to their status were able to sel christianity's fate. The history is told by the victors. If you haven't read anything about the Council of Nicea I highly recomend you look it up. Just let me add, I by no means hold all of the Gnostics interpretations to be true but I find their history and some of their ideas to be fascinating.

we are in agreement here, Didymus.

i dont think very many Christians really know what was being taught through the first 5 centuries before it became political & drove the poor & less educated to their deaths. there were tons of different sects, not just gnostic, that were silenced & it has left permanent, shameful scars. as much as i have put it all behind me, i know it will continue to haunt those of us who still follow Jesus today.

that is a book that i would probably be interested in.

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by taijasi

And a few images that illustrate reverence for the Divine - and the angelic Presence of the Divine, in the very, very large, especially relevant to what you mentioned about our Star, MagnetMan ...


andrew

those are some pretty pictures. i can see them as the seven spirits of God that come from His throne.

[MagnetMan]

Originally Posted by taijasi

This is no way "reduces" God to "mere energy," or to some vague, diffuse(d) presence. A Presence, most certainly, and I would even remove the `A.' The Infinite Presence ... a Single Entity, acting throughout Cosmos from the Highest spiritual levels. Yet, as you've said, Dondi, also immanent within His Creation. is also color, even at this sub-atomic level, and a large enough version of andrew

One of the more remarkable aspects of the paranormal contact I had with the Sun, which I mentioned to Dondi, is that it began with my name being called. From that I can only infer that God is far more than a mere persence. He is a conscious witness to every life. I refer to the masculine, for that was the impression I got - in fact grandfatherly - perhaps from cultural indoctrination.

[Dondi]

Originally Posted by MagnetMan

That he is consciously represented by us and also by all other atomic associations throughout the cosmos. Most gloriously for us in our Star. For me all this is not just an intellectual realization. Thirty years ago I had direct communion with the ions streaming out of our Sun. Struck by Divine madness, I have been on a spiritual haj ever since then. You can read about that world-wide pilgrimage in my book if you are interested. The title of which I do not believe I am allowed to mention here. But you can find it in my profile. Panentheism is a new word for me. Have to look that up. Better still you enlighten me.

Then to you, MagnetMan, the Egyptions were correct in the worship of Ra, the Sun God? The sun will burn out in a few billion years, what will you worship then?

[taijasi]

Originally Posted by Bandit

those are some pretty pictures. i can see them as the seven spirits of God that come from His throne.

That's exactly what they are.

andrew

[MagnetMan]

Originally Posted by Dondi

Then to you, MagnetMan, the Egyptions were correct in the worship of Ra, the Sun God? The sun will burn out in a few billion years, what will you worship then?

To the first part, Precisely. So too the Mayans and a host of other cultures. It inspired them enough to move mountains and build mighty monuments, when they could have just spent the time masturbating. As to your second part. I believe our evolution will have completed its cycle eons before then - so the question is moot. By then I will be in any part of the Cosmos I wish witha billion more Suns to worship.

[MagnetMan]

Originally Posted by taijasi

And a few images that illustrate reverence for the Divine - and the angelic Presence of the Divine, in the very, very large, especially relevant to what you mentioned about our Star, MagnetMan ...

These illustrate, respectively, Akhenaton praising Aten - the Sun God, then the Sun & the Seven ArchAngels, then a Solar Deva, viewed clairvoyantly.

These two images are from the visionary art of Arthur Douet, showing Overlighting Angels over Australia, then Planetary Angels assisting in the building of the planetary matrix (matrix: Etymology: Latin, female animal used for breeding, parent plant, from matr-, mater ... Mother!).



andrew

Thanks for that posting. Very inspiring.

[taijasi]

Originally Posted by Dondi

Then to you, MagnetMan, the Egyptions were correct in the worship of Ra, the Sun God? The sun will burn out in a few billion years, what will you worship then?

It is a great mistake to think that Egyptians, Mayans, etc. worshipped the sun itself. They did not, in my understanding. Rather, they recognized the Sun as the outermost expression, or physical vehicle, for a Vast Being. Actually, the entire Solar System is this being's physical body, with the 7 Sacred Planets as the seven chakras (energy centers) ... and the Sun is likened to the heart - as an actual organ! It pumps the blood of life to every single cell - within the Solar body. Let's face it, without the rays of the sun - the heat, the prana/chi which infuses and invigorates every living thing ... we would all die.

So, they did not worship it as a material object, lifeless and cold (okay, hot) ... which science depicts. They knew it - in the reverse! Essentially Spirit(ual), Source of All Life, and Provider of ALL WARMTH - both inner & outer. Look again, at Akhenaten and the divine family, worshipping the Sun. Its outstretched arms symbolize everything I have just said ...

The Gayatri, an Ancient Hindu Prayer ...

O Thou, Who givest sustenance to the Universe,
From Whom all things proceed,
To Whom all things return,
Reveal to us the true spiritual Sun,
Hidden by a disc of Golden Light,
That we may know Truth and do our whole Duty,
As we journey toward Thy Sacred Feet.

andrew, also a lover of the Aten

[MagnetMan]

Originally Posted by taijasi

It is a great mistake to think that Egyptians, Mayans, etc. worshipped the sun itself. They did not, in my understanding. Rather, they recognized the Sun as the outermost expression, or physical vehicle, for a Vast Being. Actually, the entire Solar System is this being's physical body, with the 7 Sacred Planets as the seven chakras (energy centers) ... and the Sun is likened to the heart - as an actual organ! It pumps the blood of life to every single cell - within the Solar body. Let's face it, without the rays of the sun - the heat, the prana/chi which infuses and invigorates every living thing ... we would all die.

So, they did not worship it as a material object, lifeless and cold (okay, hot) ... which science depicts. They knew it - in the reverse! Essentially Spirit(ual), Source of All Life, and Provider of ALL WARMTH - both inner & outer. Look again, at Akhenaten and the divine family, worshipping the Sun. Its outstretched arms symbolize everything I have just said ...

andrew, also a lover of the Aten

If I am interpreting you correctly, I am definately not in a agreement with you on this. There is a small percentage of the general population who are born with their clair-sentient faculties open to spiritual influences - psychics who see and experience a reality beyond the mundane. Traditionally they have always served an essential role in every society - as mediums between the mundane and the profane - their visions and prophecies were always respected - until the Age of Science arrived. Now we call our spiritual mediums, shams and channelers and what not. Our Star is not simply a nuclear furnace burning up hydrogen, keeping the climate warm and radiating vitamen D down on us - with an expiration date five billion years in the future. He/She is the Mightiest Spirit in our system, fully concious of every atom that expresses itself in His domain.

I have already given testamony that I experienced His consciousness directly. That has been blithely ignored in this debate so far. Which is astonishing, since this thread is asking what we know about God. Nobody has been slightly curious enough to ask what effect it had on my consciousnsess. Not only was it ignored. but as far as I can see, directly contradicted. I am not being personal here. These facts perfectly illustrate the the skeptical attitude of the the modorn, scientifically indoctrinated psyche. This blithe attitude to supernatural testament is pandemic in the western world today that claims belief in God, and denies Him in the same breath. Its not that spiritual testamony is simply disbelieved - far worse - it is simply ignored or glossed over. Analytical assumptions, unconnected to intuitive insight, cannot address spiritual reality. For this reason I label the modern intellect claiming spiritual scholarship, as pseudo, for all its verbal brilliance. It cannot stoop to recognize simplicity itself. There was a time when men honored each other's words and believed they spoke the truth when they saw it. By keeping an open mind, they could intuite sincerity when its was presented before them. Sadly one cannot share direct spiritual experiences these days, for it confounds conventional "wisdom", and we are all the more superficial for it.

Via my own direct contact with our Sun., I believe that the Egyptians and Mayans took the psychic assertions of their prietsts to heart, even though most of them did not actually share in the ecstacy that comes of direct contact. If we were all born clair sentient and had direct psychic contact, no mundane chores would get done. When a member of society has a profound spiritual experience, an inner conciousness compells the psychic to go beyond public redicule and personal embarrassment, and share the experience with the society that supports him or her. In earleir times, faith in the words of their priests, sustained Sun-worshipping cultures in their effort in building their monuments to the Sun. The same faith in the visions and vistations to psychics by the supernatural during tjhe Middle Ages, motivated the building of mighty cathedrals. Alas, with the growth of our critical intellect, Faith and trust in spiritual testameny is lost - and the true spiritual dynamism of those ancient cultures is consequently reduced to intellectual analysis, and a macabre interest in dried mummies. Sometimes I dispair of ever getting our simple trust in each other's word back again. Libraries of written laws trying to define and police the truth have gone far beyond the rediculous, they are costing us 80% of our GNP. The only Faith we have left now is in money and we build mighty skyscrapers to proclaim it.

Blessed is he who has not seen, yet doth Believe.

[taijasi]

Hmm, apologies, MagnetMan, if my points regarding the Hylozoistic relationship between the Sun, His Seven Planets, and Earth's Humanity ... somehow came across wrong. I certainly did not mean to ignore any direct testimony that you might wish to share. I would be interested. But I think perhaps - I might not have made my point very well.

I cannot make it any clearer than the 2nd picture of my earlier post, and the 3rd. Agreed, not all of us have such powers of clairvoyance or clairsentience very well developed. But I would submit that nearly anyone who might go outside on a nice, sunny day - and take a few moments to glance up into the clear blue sky .... can observe the work of the Solar Lord readily. One will notice that the field is not solid blue. There is a "fuzz." And if one allows one's eyes to relax a bit, there will be perceived - movement. If one pays attention, through no clairvoyance, but simply by allowing the eyes to adjust to the subtler ether (a natural, physical ability) ... we can also see a swirl of bright, or clear, particles. They move very quickly - and they have been called prana in Vedic teachings, for thousands of years. They are the chi of Tai Chi. Pure, vital, living energy - coming from this very Being you are describing, manifest through and as the Sun. I think we are on the same page here. I truly do.

What I assume is fairly non-conventional about it, is the very notion that the Sun is literally alive! That the Sun is in fact, GOD. Not "a god," but in fact the greatest that we can conceive of by such a word. That, anyway, is my belief. If I was pointing out that the outward, physical Sun veils an inner, spiritual Reality, I only mean it in an analogous fashion to the manner in which our physical body - is the temporary vessel for the Soul, or the Spirit within. I think the parallel is exact, except on a far higher turn of the spiral.

Apologies again, if I tend to over-intellectualize sometimes. I am often one of many words ... perhaps too little substance. Simplicity can be best, but that is why I provided the Gayatri, which I say often as I look heavenward, and focus on the Solar Logos, or Lord. I am certainly not being trite. This is a part of my sacred belief, ritual, practice, and relationship with the Divine. Please accept and honor that, even as I honor yours, and seek to honor all ... such relationships.

Peace,

andrew

[gteeter]

Excuse me, I can't disagree more with your statement. Are you to limit God to one item in his Universe. You have made God into your image, not his. He is a spirit and God almighty. You have made him less than what he is and smaller than who he is. Where are you getting your information from? I would suggest another source ... you are not to worship the creation, but the Creator. I would start there!

[taijasi]

Originally Posted by gteeter

Excuse me, I can't disagree more with your statement. Are you to limit God to one item in his Universe. You have made God into your image, not his. He is a spirit and God almighty. You have made him less than what he is and smaller than who he is. Where are you getting your information from? I would suggest another source ... you are not to worship the creation, but the Creator. I would start there!

The being you speak of ... is the Supreme Logos. For Taoists, it is the Tao that cannot be named - the Eternal Tao. All of Cosmos is indeed the least portion of the manifest expression of the Infinite and Almighty.

As the Upanishad says, Having permeated the entire Cosmos with a fragment of Myself, I remain.

And yes, that is the Being deserving of Worship, Praise, and Veneration. Yes is not also all of His Expression, also Divine? Those who find challenge in witnessing the presence of God within this world ... might also, perhaps, rethink their conceptions.

O hidden Life, vibrant in every atom,
O hidden Light, shining in every creature,
O hidden Love, embracing all in oneness,
May all who feel themselves as one with thee
Know they are therefore one with every other.
(Annie Besant)

Namaskar - I salute the Divine Presence, within you!


andrew