What are the Differences between the Abrahamic Faiths?

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by InLove

Spoken like a crusty sailor....

Nawhhh, hey! I took a shower this morning...even used soap. And I WASHED BEHIND MY EARS TOO (I just hate my monthly baths...)

[InLove]

Yes, but you always find the water....

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by InLove

Yes, but you always find the water....

Um, don't you mean "dowsers" always find the water? I just know what to do with it once I'm on it, over it, or under it...

edit: I did catch your "drift", thanks.

v/r

Joshua

[InLove]

LOL--had to look it up! Found my grandpa's picture...

Glad you caught my drift...water seeking its own level and all. It pays to discover things like this. Helps to think on them.

I gotta get back to the garden...umm, just the one in my yard for now....back to your regular programming...

Cheers, All!

InPeace,
InLove

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

In this light, the Qu'ran's message was indeed "corrupted", by greedy, ruthless leaders of men.

as salaam aleykum

Excellent portrayal of the historical era Quahom, I wish I was so eloquent. Have you read much about a period in Islam called 'The Closing of The Gates'? Fascinating stuff, a real eye opener. I also loved the film made by theologian Robert Beckford called 'Who wrote the Bible'. Both of these go to show how the roots of our faiths (including Judaism) have been 'interfered with' over time.

I agree entirely, the message has been corrupted and men through lust for power and greed have, through time, used the beautiful words of G-d to gain this power and wealth. History clearly shows the interference of men in the Islamic message, as it also shows the interference of man in the messages of the other Abrahamic faiths. Anyone that denies this is taking blind faith over historical facts and are also perpetuating this corruption. The message does not change through the books, the thread remains the same, the commandments remain the same, the path to G-d remains the same. For anyone to claim it as their own is simply human arrogance or perhaps fear? Yet we all (I speak generally) do it.

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Therefore, man corrupted the word of God, for his own ends.

As I accept was done with the Quranic message. Permission for war was only given as a defensive measure but we are taught in the Quran to always try to settle diputes by peaceful means first. There are so many verses in the Quran which permit us to do something and then tells us BUT it is better for us if we refrain. It is a shame people stick so rigidly to what is permited and don't take time to ponder on the warnings of G-d that it is better to refrain.

I believe Pope Leo X said in the 16th century "It has served us well, this myth of Jesus" (pbuh). I am not suggesting I know what he was referring to but I believe it demonstrates how religious leaders use faith to control the population and maintain their power.

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Yet "GOD" never told anyone to fight over Him.

So true. What has been the battle cry of the 'faithful' for centuries? "To kill an (...insert name...) is not murder, it is the path to heaven." After everything G-d has taught us how can we be so blind and ignorant to actually think this is what G-d would want from us?

Religions will always produce fanatics and unfortunately these fanatics are fed the corrupted messages. Why can't people just listen to G-d instead of having to always get their word in? Never mind the last word will be G-d's and He will show us for the people we truly are in our hearts.

Salaam

[Quahom1]

[quote=Muslimwoman;103877]as salaam aleykum
I simply speak from what I know...I never attempt to bad mouth or insult anyone.

But I understand more than I am supposed to? for a Christian. and less than I am supposed to, for a worldly man...

I work at it.

v/r

Joshua

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

All I can tell you is to read the bible and dont listen to what your Imams say about it. Will you do that? I hope so.

I was a Christian for 30 years before I converted to Islam. I feel this may be what offends you so much about me.

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

You are using a familiar tactic of twisting everything around and changing the subject so Im not going to get in a discussion that goes round and round.. its a waste of both of our time.

I was not trying to twist anything. My first post on this thread simply said that I believe all good faithful servants of G-d will be accepted by Him. I then posted verses of the bible which, to my perception, confirm my view. You simply chose to take offense at my views. Unlike you it seems, I accept that every person has a different perception of the same thing. So perhaps when we all read a verse of any scripture you interpret it correctly or perhaps I do or perhaps we are both wrong and the Eskimoes interpret it correctly? It is your right to hold your beliefs but to never consider that your perseption is wrong does tend to seem a bit arrogant.

Unlike you it seems, I firmly believe in coexistence, please just read some of my posts or ask others that have held lengthy discussions with. Please try to treat people as individuals rather than assuming you know the mind of every Muslim, bigotry is an ugly state of mind.

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

You say that Jesus Christ is just a man and My scriptures say He is the son of God.. he died on the cross and He rose from the dead and is Alive.

And it is your right to believe your scripture, it is also my right to reject it and believe that no partner can be placed with G-d. However, I do not state you are wrong and I am right, I state my belief that we do not know who is right or wrong and only G-d will tell us on the Day of Judgement.

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

1 attack the validity of the bible
2 attempt to set Paul against Jesus
3 Misrepresent Christian Doctrine
4 Misinterpret various scriptures
5 claim their logic is correct and Christian logic is not
6 switch topic when they are challenged

In just a few posts you have already done several of these..

I would never wish to offend a Christian so please can you tell me, nicely if possible, where I have done any of these and then I can avoid doing so again. Or perhaps you simply demand that I agree with you?

Quite frankly you seem exactly like the people you despise so much, the fundamental Muslims. You jump to conclusions, you want to forcefully put your views across without any discussion, you simply post verses from scriptures and assume everyone must interpret them as you do and you tar every Muslim with the same brush.

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

I cant wait to meet one that actually does what they say.

May I respectfully suggest that until you open your mind a little, you never will because your aggression and bigotry will always get in the way.

Salaam

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

I never attempt to bad mouth or insult anyone.

Well I thank you for your tolerance and willingness to open your mind. May G-d bless you with the wisdom you seek.

Salaam

[Quahom1]

I wasn't done yet...so did you just shut me down? If so, then my male ness comes into play, as well as my beliefs.

That too is part of this game.

Yeah, I'm irritated. Guess that is part of the problem. There is a "male" issue that gets set off, and women suffer for it...but women don't seem to want to help matters much.

edit: a man can be cut off by a woman. In time there will be a price to pay. Nothing is free, in life. Only degrees of freedom.

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Everytime I get in a "tolerant" discussion with a muslim to look for peaceful similarities it never fails they do one of these things..

My posts on this thread are here:

Page 4 No's 51, 56, 58
Page 5 66, 67, 69, 74
Page 6 76, 83

I am aware you no longer wish to discuss religion with me, however, could you please have the decency to read them and then come back and tell me which of us is being tolerant and looking for similarities?

Salaam

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

I wasn't done yet...so did you just shut me down? If so, then my male ness comes into play, as well as my beliefs.

That too is part of this game.

Yeah, I'm irritated. Guess that is part of the problem. There is a "male" issue that gets set off, and women suffer for it...but women don't seem to want to help matters much.

I do apologise, I seem to have missed something in our discussion. Were you asking me a question about your knowledge? I was not trying to be rude, most of the people I speak to simply fail to look at the historical context and I was impressed by your open minded attitude to acceptr the historical realities. That was also not meant to be patronising, I am also very impressed with things Einstein has said - yet most of it goes over my head. It was meant as a compliment.

Salaam

[Faithfulservant]

You are still doing it twisting it around. No I am not going to play that game I already told you. If you want to be real than we can be real just let me know.

I lived with a master manipulator for 10 years I know all the tricks I am also familiar with the tactics used by Muslims when they are trying to convert Christians so I will tell you when its all too familiar.

According to my faith you cant be a true Christian and convert to somethingelse... it basically means you never were one.

When you become a Christian you become a NEW being in Christ Jesus.

you cant take that back and change your mind.. if you were a Christian you would understand this.

thats the beauty of the Salvation that Jesus Christ offers.. once saved always saved forever and ever...You are in fellowship with the Holy Spirit who reveals ALL truth. That Jesus Christ is the Son of God.. that He IS God that He shed His blood for the sins of the world.. that He rose from the dead and is Alive in heaven waiting to return.

[Faithfulservant]

Hmm

you certainly werent speaking to ME in all those posts.. you know what I meant though you were just being difficult. I posted my beliefs and you jumped right on them didnt you? Found the opening you wanted and engaged. Thats ok though.. It gave me the opportunity to tell you the Truth.

I also never claimed that I was tolerant of other religions.. I am however tolerant of people involved in those religions.

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

I lived with a master manipulator for 10 years I know all the tricks I am also familiar with the tactics used by Muslims when they are trying to convert Christians so I will tell you when its all too familiar.

The mind just boggles, perhaps you could look up the definition of paranoia. I have no desire or intention of trying to convert anyone, nothing could be further from my mind. I joined an interfaith forum to discuss different religions, to learn others views and beliefs not to convert or be converted. I am also not trying to twist anything, just put across my thoughts. The fact that you interpret my comments in such a way shows a lot about your perseption.

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

According to my faith you cant be a true Christian and convert to somethingelse... it basically means you never were one.

Exactly, your faith and may it bring you peace and salvation. However, I do not follow the same faith anymore, I was born a Christian, was taught as a Christian and I, with no external influence, rejected the idea of worshiping anything but G-d alone. You have yours, I have mine and we being human perceive things differently. If you see that as offensive or twisted then those feelings are for you to deal with, I am more than happy with our differences in belief.

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Hmm

you certainly werent speaking to ME in all those posts.. you know what I meant though you were just being difficult. I posted my beliefs and you jumped right on them didnt you? Found the opening you wanted and engaged. Thats ok though.. It gave me the opportunity to tell you the Truth.

I also never claimed that I was tolerant of other religions.. I am however tolerant of people involved in those religions.

Thank you, that is much more pleasant. No I was not speaking to you in those posts but they hold my views so I thought you may understand me a little better and be less judgemental of me if you read them.

I apologise, I was not trying to jump on you at all. I posted my views on who I personally believe will be permitted to heaven, based on what knowledge I have and my own perception. You came back with verses of the bible, which in your perseption proved me wrong. All I was trying to do was demonstrate to you how different people have different perceptions and we, being merely human, have no way to determine who is right and who is wrong. We can only follow our hearts, our beliefs and try to live good lives in the service of G-d.

Salaam