What am I?

[Bishadi]

I see multiple issues here. The first which is relevant to this thread:

Ooops! Yet in a way, you are finding that you are “NOT” an electrical system.

I possess nothing of my own. If anything I ever say is ever true then it did not originate from me.

Now that is a scary thought; ‘I represent a thought, but it isn’t mine’…….. Now that is irresponsible as a human being but I will give you a pat on the back for admitting it. Most of pride can’t do that.

I personally follow a rule; if you represent it, then you are responsible for its accuracy.

Otherwise, if the validity is truly unknown, then speak less in the matters of facts unless the fact is that a question needs an answer; so ask the questions versus represent what is not truly understood.

Who rates themselves by what they know?

Most every individual that hangs their ‘credentials’ on the wall. That cultural mechanism of providing proof of your intellect; curriculum vitae.

The second biggest issue is similar to the first. When, what, where, why, and how is the transition? Transition is significant. It is where work is done, where energy is consumed. Physically it is a point of no return. Not that a person can not return to the same place in a similar cycle, but that a person is not able to return to the same time and make use of the same energy all over again.

Transition is a problem? And is similar to the first?

Open a new thread and ask what your question is. If you are questioning a non local effect, then think in the lines of your electric usage. That although you may observe your electricity as being generated by the isolated system at your power plant, than think again. Try observing the amount of entangled environment. Think in the lines of what that dam is holding back. What that coal came from (and not only where)? Every line of energy consumed is from entangled energy from the environment; borrowed but never depleted. That is where the ignorance shows itself. We (human) simply collect a resource (cold) and funnel it as in to concentrate the exchange. Energy is not a potential difference in true form; the exchange rate is that measured potential. (eV/joules)

The third issue is that a constant magnetic field does not impede or prevent an alternating current.

Sorry but there is apparently some new data on what you share as true.

This below is new as of 62’….. and approved for the public to read at this level. You should see the material available from Russia and China. They have scientist too!

Title :

INFLUENCE OF A D.C. AND A.C. MAGNETIC FIELD UPON A GAS DISCHARGE LASER

Corporate Author : ARMY ELECTRONICS LABS FORT MONMOUTH N J
Personal Author(s) : BUSER,RUDOLF G. ; KAINZ,JOHANN J. ; SULLIVAN,JOHN J.
Report Date : DEC 1962
Pagination or Media Count : 1

Abstract : The influence of a magnetic field upon a gas discharge laser has been investigated. The magnetic field changes the spatial and energy distribution of the electrons and therefore influences the light output of the laser. Experiments show that this effect may be useful for adjustment and modulation of the laser emission. (Author)

Descriptors : *LASERS, *MAGNETIC FIELDS, DISTRIBUTION, ELECTRONS, EMISSIVITY, ENERGY, GAS DISCHARGES, LIGHT TRANSMISSION

Distribution Statement : APPROVED FOR PUBLIC RELEASE

Search DTIC's Public STINET for similiar documents.

Members of the public may purchase hardcopy documents from the National Technical Information Service.

If you would like material evidence, then please be prepared to do the homework. Just as I will not publish the one true (e=mc2) because them in the ‘community’ are not up to speed just yet…….

Here is a little material to read on AC; motors, and what is currently understood.
All the math and more fun in physics than most every see…
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/hframe.html

and keep the link as it has calculators within that are quite fun

Similarly an MRI magnet will not impede a person from using their brain in its vicinity.

OK…. I guess that’s why they use an MRI on ‘living’ or ‘biological’ mass.

Many electronic and electrical circuits will work just fine in the presence of a large magnetic field.

Make that the experiment of all time. Take any electrical device, with memory, within a 2 Tesla electromagnet and see if it works.

When you figure that one out, please go get a nobel for magic!

The error is clear; complacent; overcoming observing material facts rather than the intent on accepting an unknown as true simply because others do.

I am the nut, and everyone else is correct! Been that way since I was a kid!

Each think they know and yet very few actually do the homework or even have the integrity to admit ‘they don’t know.’

SO the thread in on ‘What am I?’ …..

A few definitions are presented. From this little corner; material information grounded in physical evidence and observance to science, math and the comprehension from the trinity of mass, energy and time; has been presented.

Yet because you had not read it before and a condition already accepted about what you understand is being challenged, then it simply relies on integrity of the individual.

I can actually say, ‘I have done the homework.’ Can you say the same?

The claim is the human brain does not operate in an electrical form and to observe ‘light’ as the energy upon mass, then each of the misunderstood phenomenon; (the list is huge) consciousness, dejavu, prophecies, memories and even life itself can be described.

So the issue is are you ready for the truth?

I don’t play when it comes to conveying knowledge. Either people want to know or they don’t, all I can do is keep at it until that spark finally sets in. What the whole globe is looking for already exists and it is the integrity of each person exposed to recognize the truth when they see it.
When each begins to observe, and contribute their time for the cause of truth, then we will know Peace is getting closer.

What I enjoy the most are the little people, they are willing to learn as most are still seeking. Them youngsters also have access to the internet. As they can dig until theirs hearts are content (or need of sleep/food)….. and no matter what….. the revealing is developing, is growing, is living, and nothing can stop it…….. our future will see what is true and the complacent will eventually fade to extinction.

Them little people are our future and the complacent will no longer be able to own them.

What am I?

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Ooops! Yet in a way, you are finding that you are “NOT” an electrical system.

Are you trying to say that a person is not their body, or that their body is not an electrical system? The body is an electrical system. Most every interaction involves the exchange and sharing of electrons and protons. Interactions between light and matter is also electical... electromagnetic.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Now that is irresponsible as a human being but I will give you a pat on the back for admitting it.

I drive a car. There is a portion that I am responsible for and there is a portion that I am not. The car has a capability, it is a possession, but I do not consider myself to be the car. I am what I do with the car... I am the hidden someone who drives it.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Every line of energy consumed is from entangled energy from the environment; borrowed but never depleted.

Energy is consumed... if a person can perpetually eat their own refuse and live by it then they will have proven me wrong.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

That is where the ignorance shows itself. We (human) simply collect a resource (cold) and funnel it as in to concentrate the exchange. Energy is not a potential difference in true form; the exchange rate is that measured potential. (eV/joules)

1 joule = 6.241457 x10^18 eV. (eV/joule) is without units.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Make that the experiment of all time. Take any electrical device, with memory, within a 2 Tesla electromagnet and see if it works.

When you figure that one out, please go get a nobel for magic!

The error is clear; complacent; overcoming observing material facts rather than the intent on accepting an unknown as true simply because others do.

I often use an electrical device that I designed, an electromagnet over 2 Tesla that works with the memory of something in its presence. It would be very bad to place this pulsed electromagnet in the vicinity of a person's brain. Very bad indeed. Your choice whether or not to believe me. If it were a 2 Tesla constant magnetic field then it wouldn't be a problem.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Each think they know and yet very few actually do the homework or even have the integrity to admit ‘they don’t know.’

Each? Doing the homework involves doing the experiment. If you'd like to prove me wrong then the electromagnet I've described is at your disposal. You can shoot your brain with a 2 Tesla pulsed field and you will feel a mind altering sensation.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

A few definitions are presented. From this little corner; material information grounded in physical evidence and observance to science, math and the comprehension from the trinity of mass, energy and time; has been presented.

It has? One the one side you've said you are not going to present something because society is not ready to hear it, then you claim that you've presented something here grounded in physical evidence.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Yet because you had not read it before and a condition already accepted about what you understand is being challenged, then it simply relies on integrity of the individual.

I can actually say, ‘I have done the homework.’ Can you say the same?

If it involves a 2 Tesla field with an electrical circuit with memory in its presence, then yes... I've done the homework. Perhaps it is why I responded.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

The claim is the human brain does not operate in an electrical form and to observe ‘light’ as the energy upon mass, then each of the misunderstood phenomenon; (the list is huge) consciousness, dejavu, prophecies, memories and even life itself can be described.

So the issue is are you ready for the truth?

Lets be clear: do you think you have conveyed this alleged truth already or not?

The expressed concept of a trinity of energy, mass, and time is interesting, but light is an electromagnetic perturbation and it does have a relativistic mass. It has a momentum. A photon is rumored in physics to have no mass at rest, but a photon is never at rest.

[Tao_Equus]

Hi Bishadi,

I'm certainly finding your posts intriguing. I only hope what you say you know is as substantial as your ego Don't get me wrong, I've no issue with ego where its earned, its just that I have not heard enough from you to yet determine that you have.

I cannot compete with Cyberpi or yourself in either the detailed knowledge nor the jargon of electromagnetics. What I do know is that powerful magnetic fields are usually more or less harmless to living things. After all we evolved on a planet with one in a universe full of them. My understanding of electromagnetism has it that it caused by the dynamo effect of friction between charged particles creating a charged field of non uniform intensity. An MRI uses this to polarise protons in a uniform observable direction? Surely then it is not designed to interfere with gross electrical conductivity? All it seeks to do is read the position of protons. The actual charge delivered to the individual for the scan is tiny and most of the magnet is actually used to screen outside interference? or is my understanding simply wrong?

I do like your opinions on the transfer of energy through systems and time and agree that nothing is ever truly used up, only converted. Entropy being an observation of flux not of destruction.

I suggest, if I may be so bold, that you start a thread that defines clearly for the novice thinker like myself what it is that you believe you have that will inspire me to throw out the orthodoxy. I am genuinely interested and believe we are on the cusp of fundamental realisations on the nature of matter and would love to hear what you have to say.

Tao

[Iacchus]

"I" am the transcendent aspect of that which appears to be unaware that it exists. The brain, to the extent that it exists in symbiotic accord with it, is a means of channeling it.

Oh, if consciousness didn't exist first, on a cosmic level, that is, what would give brains the incentive to develop?

[Bishadi]

Are you trying to say that a person is not their body, or that their body is not an electrical system? The body is an electrical system.

Sorry, the body is not an electrical system.

Most every interaction involves the exchange and sharing of electrons and protons.

Ah chemistry and the whole ‘uncertainty’ of it all. Just as to heat something up, it is vibrating and using up more space, but the ‘electrons’ are not getting fatter. Protons are not puffing up but an increase of energy and weight just the same.

Interactions between light and matter is also electrical... electromagnetic.

Two different frames of math and the observance to the interactions. One is based on a potential difference, the other of ‘f’ or light, in the sense of a pound of copper can have more energy hot, than a pound cold.

As for the rest; Not sure how to answer you. The comments begin to make unruly condescending tones. AS if maybe you are confused.

The expressed concept of a trinity of energy, mass, and time is interesting,

Good! Because that is what defines.

but light is an electromagnetic perturbation and it does have a relativistic mass. It has a momentum.

and then contradict yourself

A photon is rumored in physics to have no mass at rest, but a photon is never at rest.

So try an observation;

If we a glass container (a vacuum) and in it oxygen at rest (cold) and weigh it.

Same setting with hydrogen. Then while retaining perfect conditions, same temp, complete vacuum, and we combine the elements.

Now we find that the electricity is out all over the city. So now the H and O are warming up as the A/C is not running.

First, if mass is electrical and electrons are thought to be governing all mass to associate, then how could the H and O warm up. Is ‘heat’ electrical?

Second what physical force caused the increase of ‘relativistic mass’ when the mass is in a sealed glass container.

This you will see when you weigh the combination and find the figure is greater than the sum of the 2 added separately.

Now be careful, this is a trick so remember ‘vacuum.’

So take that 2 your lab!

And find, the only answer is em is energy itself. And please be careful that experiment is dangerous but unequivocally quite revealing. As you will find that while under vacuum the weight is greater but when the elements combine, and exothermic reaction and then the combined weigh less; it’s a phenomenon.

Not really but it seems like it is when you realize what has actually occurred rather than what today’s sciences will teach you; energy is light!

and

Energy does have ‘weight’ in the sense of ‘gravity’ between structures and never let anyone tell you otherwise.

For example: I could suggest, ‘hey you won the lottery’ or ‘hey someone stole your car’….. ‘energy’ exchanged between mass but the affects are quite different.

This is something you may have a hard time finding in standard physics.

What you will find if you dig hard enough it that energy (light) has a property called entanglement; that property of energy, not mass, is that missing identity of gravity itself.


There is no dark energy, dark matter ….. what is being observed is exaclty what is being mentioned, them exchanges between structures is 'light' and the reason the math has loop holes in current physics is because of the error in how energy is described.

[cyberpi]

Bishadi,
Good, so you agree that energy has mass, and that EM energy is energy. Now back to that MRI... a constant magnetic field has a potential whereas a transient magnetic (EM) field has an exchange of energy. As you agreed, the EM is energy and that energy has relativistic mass. Being both energy and mass it can definitely interact with the human body. If the frequency is wrong and the intensity too great then it can fry the brain. For example a microwave oven uses a magnetron to create EM at a frequency that will be absorbed by water and will cook the flesh and the brain. It might be good if the MRI avoided that frequency, right? Similarly other frequencies or spectrum can cause havoc or destruction. Simply moving too fast towards a magnetic field and too fast away will generate voltages against the neurons.

I designed and utilize a piece of equipment that can generate over 2 Tesla with sharp dB/dt, or the rate of change of the magnetic field with time. A sharp transient has many frequencies all lined up at a single point in time. This equipment can easily generate a 500,000 T/sec rate of change in a small area for a brief time. I assure you that it is bad for a person's brain because a person's brain is an electrical system. However if you are seriously intent to prove otherwise then the equipment I refer to is available for doing homework with. It has a surface that can be placed right up against someone's brain. I would probably have you sign a long disclosure document trying to tell you why it would be stupid and potentially lethal. Personally I've been a little too close a couple of times and have felt an effect, but it was nothing near 2 Tesla and the 500 kT/sec of the coil.

[Bishadi]

Good, so you agree that energy has mass, and that EM energy is energy

You just broke every rule in physics and chemistry. Congratulations…..

But the problem is that to realize what you said, completely ruins half of material information you proposed.

If you realize that em is simply magnetic and electric potential at perpendicular planes (light upon mass), then the assumption that an electron is taken from its shell needs a 2 tesla magnetic is ridiculous. The math itself will tell you that.

For some reason the scales of your analogy and the debate of how the MRI does or does not affect living mass is really way out of perspective. Or simply unless the brain or all life is a complete resistor then why would it take such a large magnet to cause the simple change to an electric charge. Meaning if I have even a little ionic potential to mass, even a little magnet will affect the potential charge and orientation to the mass.

Or simply to remove an electron from its shell can be done with even a little magnet to create a potential between points. So to also understand the descriptions of how life itself is said to operate you would see the current norm suggests each living cell uses ionic potential for all movement of chemical proteins and if that were in fact true, then even a little magnet would damage most any life, like kryptonite to superman.

The representation of em, does not mean electro-magnet. As emr is electromagnetic radiation (light in open space or as in a vacuum)… where the change may assist is to observe electromagnetism upon mass simply a magnetic and electric field at perpendicular planes (upon mass), represented as light and all her illustrious wavelengths within the electromagnetic spectrum.

This analogy would be like a photon upon an electron, but the difference is the math in relation to the words. On this side the math is from a pi scaling to the frequencies of the em spectrum, with no ‘c’ constant (speed of light) and mass, energy and time are combined. Whereas in current use, Planck’s constant ‘h’ defines the qubit ‘photon’ within the confinement to entropy (directional).

My point here is em is simply light in a physical sense, and since the line item ‘photon’ is already defined, the word is not used often.

If a single atom is at rest any change is caused by energy. Even kinetic energy measured upon a structure is simply light; proof simply cause an abrupt stop, and a photon will release. In every interaction of mass, a photon is of the cause. Chemical reaction; energy exchanged (em). Heat itself is simply em. As some elements will free from bonds with the correct wavelength and have a momentum; we measure them impacts and exchanges.

The difference is to realize that each form of interaction has something occurring at the molecular level and between each and every atom interacting in time, ‘light’ is the energy being described.

The MRI analogy was simply to prove that current descriptions of how the brain mass interacts in not in the binary form of electrical impulses or electric discharges as described with the ionizations of chemical metabolic processes.

Now do you see how thoroughly encumbering a paradigm shift really is?

So from the core of how energy associates to how life works and how the galaxies turn, not to mention ‘good and bad’…. Consciousness, the brain and soul…………. It all has a change beginning at a point that even marries up the various theologies…………….. ‘light’

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

You just broke every rule in physics and chemistry. Congratulations…..

E = mc^2 is a pretty straight forward equation. Light is drawn by gravity just as if it has mass. This mass is often referred to as relativistic mass. Whereas light or a photon at rest, if there were such a thing, has no mass.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

If you realize that em is simply magnetic and electric potential at perpendicular planes (light upon mass), then the assumption that an electron is taken from its shell needs a 2 tesla magnetic is ridiculous. The math itself will tell you that.

For some reason the scales of your analogy and the debate of how the MRI does or does not affect living mass is really way out of perspective. Or simply unless the brain or all life is a complete resistor then why would it take such a large magnet to cause the simple change to an electric charge. Meaning if I have even a little ionic potential to mass, even a little magnet will affect the potential charge and orientation to the mass.

Or simply to remove an electron from its shell can be done with even a little magnet to create a potential between points. So to also understand the descriptions of how life itself is said to operate you would see the current norm suggests each living cell uses ionic potential for all movement of chemical proteins and if that were in fact true, then even a little magnet would damage most any life, like kryptonite to superman.

Valence electrons in a metal are like ions in water. They are already somewhat free to move around in a fluid like manner. Intensity and frequency are both a factor in driving, polarizing, or frying cellular structures like neurons. Take for example the electrical device known as a photoreceptor cell: Photoreceptor cell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
While you can see light thanks to these cells if you stare at the sun for too long then you will be temporarily and possibly permanently blinded. Yet a little light does not damage... as you say, like kryptonite to superman. Similarly too much sun will fry the skin cells yet a little bit of sun light is easily absorbed every day.

Anytime that you would like to test a 2 Tesla pulsed magnetic field with 500 kT/sec on your brain, just let me know. While I know that a person will more than feel it, and by my accounting they would enter into an induced seizure, I frankly don't know whether or not the person will survive. I'd say some testing is in order. I simply calculate the voltage, current, and charge required to induce a seizure from electroconvulsive therapy, and I back calculate what magnetic field and rate of change of magnetic field is required to induce the same. Care to put my calculations to the test?

[Bishadi]

Or simply to remove an electron from its shell can be done with even a little magnet to create a potential between points. So to also understand the descriptions of how life itself is said to operate you would see the current norm suggests each living cell uses ionic potential for all movement of chemical proteins and if that were in fact true, then even a little magnet would damage most any life, like kryptonite to superman.

A simple set of words that have lost flavor to arrogance coupled with ignorance and the transformation becomes;

Yet a little light does not damage... as you say, like kryptonite to superman.

Sorry, but that was our exchange of words together.

Equality is important, and apparently you choose to think you have it all figured out and simply do not even comprehend what your own descriptions represent; all puffed up with pride.

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Equality is important, and apparently you choose to think you have it all figured out and simply do not even comprehend what your own descriptions represent; all puffed up with pride.

Cyberpi? Never !!!

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

A simple set of words that have lost flavor to arrogance coupled with ignorance and the transformation becomes;

Sorry, but that was our exchange of words together.

No. You've simply placed a high value on yourself by what you think you know. I read your argument. On the one hand you say that electronic or electrical devices that clearly work in the presence of a relatively small magnetic field will not work in a field of 2 Tesla. On the other hand you say that if the human brain was an electrical system that relied on ions or charged molecules to function then the slightest magnetic field would be like kryptonite. So you say the brain is not an electrical system. I see a huge error there. A small magnetic field is not kryptonite to the electronic or electrical device you are typing on.

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Equality is important, and apparently you choose to think you have it all figured out and simply do not even comprehend what your own descriptions represent; all puffed up with pride.

No we are not equal... that absolute is not obtainable. You say that it is important here... I don't. I have designed and built a machine that does set up a field over 2 Tesla with high dB/dt, but I do not know if a person misused it if it would kill them. I am fairly certain it can cause cardiac arrest if placed against a person's heart but I am still uncertain if it is powerful enough to permanently fry their brain if placed there. You say no. You say that it is safe. If you are so confident that you would like to put your theory to the test then the machine is available. My calculations say that it would be a mistake... a foolish gamble. The only payoff in taking the gamble would be the value that you've placed in something. What would that something be? What is it here that you've placed value in that you are apparently irritated with me for disagreeing with you?

[Bishadi]

The magnetic pull of an MRI scanner is powerful.

It’s 30,000 times more powerful than the earth’s magnetic field,” says Dr. Moriel Nessaiver, Ph.D.

The machine uses the megaton magnet, radio waves and a computer to capture images of the body's soft tissue. It can also capture any iron-containing metal you're wearing and you don't want to wind up in the line-of-fire if metal flies.

“if the patient is actually in the magnet, then you know, they’re at the center of the highest magnetic field and that’s where something is gonna get sucked into.”

Dr. Emanuel Kanal says, "People forget. I didn't remember about the scissors or the nail clippers in my pocket, or something of that nature."

Metal inside the body is another concern, especially with some older implants.
Dr. Kanal says, "Patients with pacemakers of certain types have died in MR scanners and there has even been a patient that has died with an aneurysm clip that was a type, that was made up of a type of metal that should never have been exposed to an MR examination.”

Now take your phone into your magnet while it is on.

Not a computer chip of binary (and/or gates) that can withstand these fields.

and any representation thereof opposing is either a direct fib or a fib....

either way, your representation shares just how deep your honesty is.

Meaning the whole rest of the world will not bring even a metal paper clip into the same room, but you have 'built' one that has no affect on electrical devices or any danger to the operations of devices of electrical memories.

Better still bring you favorite van halen tape (8 track) inside of a 2 tesla magnet, while it is on, and see if your music is still on any track.

[wil]

On a construction site we used to use the old multichannel brick sized walki talki's. We also would put security on the construction trailers or buildings we built. There wasn't a pad or control panel that couldn't be turned on or off by keying the mike button on those monsters.

We'd need to get into a building early in the morning, no security code, we'd hold the walki next to the entry pad and key it a few times until it turned green. of course when we left we'd realarm the place the same way.

OH no, he's given away secrets!

[Tao_Equus]

Wil

Cyberi,

Flow went missing shortly after your invitation to dinner. And now I see you travel round with a brain fryer. Were sweetmeats on the menu?


Flow.....you have to say hello or Cyberpi is going to jail!!

Tao

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Wil

Cyberi,

Flow went missing shortly after your invitation to dinner. And now I see you travel round with a brain fryer. Were sweetmeats on the menu?


Flow.....you have to say hello or Cyberpi is going to jail!!

Tao

Flow had a hard time even believing that I travel with work... I've never offered or met Flow. Innocent I tell you. I did however have the pleasure of meeting Juantoo3 and wife.