what about l ray smith

[Dor]

Pick up the bible and read it.....all of it not just random verses here and there.

[moseslmpg]

But if it doesn't contradict itself, then any passage should be able to stand alone. Context does help in some cases, I suppose.

Does he say that there is no hellfire? Because I thought, and I read these so far abck I can't remember, that he was just saying hellfire was not eternal or that the state of Hell was only for an age rather than eternity. I say if you denounce everything else as heresy there, the least thing to consider is the Scriptural-ness of eternal and ages.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by moseslmpg

But if it doesn't contradict itself, then any passage should be able to stand alone. Context does help in some cases, I suppose.

Does he say that there is no hellfire? Because I thought, and I read these so far abck I can't remember, that he was just saying hellfire was not eternal or that the state of Hell was only for an age rather than eternity. I say if you denounce everything else as heresy there, the least thing to consider is the Scriptural-ness of eternal and ages.

One of the problems is that the Bible is used to make a specific point, so the tendency is to misinterpret scripture in order to make it fit a particular ideal. When that happens the only real accurate way to deal with a potentially false issue, is to use scripture to back up or refute another person's perception of scripture.

Mr. Smith's basic belief is very similar to an even older belief, developed by Arius of Alexandria circa 325, who contended that Jesus did not pre-exist from all eternity nor was He of the same substance of God the Father. Arius got his idea from Lucian of Antioch, who got it from Origen. Subsequently Arius was ex-communicated from the church. However his nontrinitarian views lead him to be the Christological father of quite a few modern day groups, including:

• Monarchianism
• Arianism
• Arian Catholic Church (See also Arian Catholicism)
• Socinianism
• Church of the Blessed Hope (Church of God of the Abrahamic Faith; not part of General Conference)
• Christadelphians
• Jehovah's Witnesses
• Bible Students
• The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church; see also Mormon)
• Unitarian Christians
• American Unitarian Conference
• Living Church of God
• Unitarian Universalist Christian Fellowship*
• Magi Network*
• Church of Christ, Scientist
• Oneness Pentecostals
• Unification Church
• The Way The Church of Yahweh in Christ Jesus
• Church of God General Conference (Abrahamic Faith)
• Polish Brethren
• Doukhobors
• Molokan
• The Way International
• Gospel Assembly Church
• New Church
• The Church of Jesus Christ
• Creation Seventh Day Adventism

* Independent affiliates of the Unitarian Universalist Association

[Faithfulservant]

Originally Posted by Dor

Pick up the bible and read it.....all of it not just random verses here and there.

Thats such an awesome point.. Does anyone ever just read the bible as a complete work?? From beginning to end to see the beginning of the universe to the end as we know it?? Its awesome.. God is awesome.

[shadowman]

yeah its interesting. im not trying to disporve anytihng, but what about sceince? and psychology? are these non existant entities?

[Faithfulservant]

what about them? No they arent non-existant.. but consider that they are a product of creation..