Virgin Birth

[17th Angel]

What soul? Sorry? What proves we aren't animals? lol...

[Plato]

hmmmm, lol, and I guess the same question could be turned around. What proves that animals don't have souls? Interestingly the early christians identified the soul as the psyche. Ours obvioulsy more complex then the animal kingdom, creatures like dolphins and humpback whales however with their brilliant communication systems and gorillas etc make me think twice, and maybe three times : O )

[wil]

Wouldn't this type of asexual virgin birth be a duplicate, a clone of the mother hence female?

I see that as a distinction between that and Jesus, of course I don't have the scientific knowledge to know if that is correct or not...

[pattimax]

should have quoted

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by Plato

hmmmm, lol, and I guess the same question could be turned around. What proves that animals don't have souls? Interestingly the early christians identified the soul as the psyche. Ours obvioulsy more complex then the animal kingdom, creatures like dolphins and humpback whales however with their brilliant communication systems and gorillas etc make me think twice, and maybe three times : O )

Animal souls notwithstanding, there is free will.

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

What proves we aren't animals? lol...

I didn't say we aren't animals, I said we are more.

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by wil

Wouldn't this type of asexual virgin birth be a duplicate, a clone of the mother hence female?

I see that as a distinction between that and Jesus, of course I don't have the scientific knowledge to know if that is correct or not...

Don't know. I got pulled off topic right out of the box.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

It's the sharks Messiah!!! They've been waiting for this for so long now!!


On a serious note, if they have shown it is possible for a shark to have a virgin birth... Would this be the same for the human being a 100% different type of animal? If yes, then also wouldn't this go to show, that maybe infact jesus wasn't some divine blessing.... He was just born from a freak situation..... ?

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amended typos... It's almost 00:00 hours..... I am tired.

Parthenogenisis, is known, and viable, however, the result is always female. The miracle of the virgin birth is that a male could be produced...Ironically, the miracle would not hit home until 2000 years later, when we understand how males and females are created...

So, either Mary (Miriam) lay with a male, or she did not. It is said that the baby Jesus was not of the color of the local ethnicity, but rather "ruddy" in hue. In short, He was a ruddy man (just like Adam). Ruddy hued humans were unheard of in the time of Jesus (in Palestine). Mary/Miriam, would not have had chance to encounter a Ruddy hued man, since she was cloistered as a child and maiden...

We also know that Mediterranian people have a dominant gene in color and hue, that supercedes others. Three of four parents must be "Ruddy" in order for the dark/olive hue to be subjugated...not happening in the middle east...

Again, lots of "miracles" that are only realized after the fact (and 2000 years later)...

What do you think?

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