Vampyrism

[moseslmpg]

I mean, I wish there was any kind of vampire here and not just people who have researched it. I'm not saying it would clear everything up, but it would be interesting to see which interpretation they ascribe to and what they have to say about the others.

Also, I don't think Greer was saying that they are the same, just that they started from these encounters. The original vampires are human spirits that have been turned vampiric, for whatever reasons. He goes into how this is related to the Eastern Europe myths and their misinterpretations. The Lestat-ish vampire just seems to be some kind of romanticization in the vein of Dracula, as is common with such subjects nowadays. Anyway, it's very interesting, what is in the vampire chapter in his book.

[path_of_one]

Ah, I understand what you are getting at. There are a few good sites that you can browse and hear human living vampires discuss their own experiences and what their own theories about why they are the way they are.

I would recommend DrinkDeeplyandDream.com - The Reality of the Modern Day Vampire :: Real Vampire information, support, and interaction. Forums, Chat, more! for some decent articles written from insider perspectives. The owner of the site and her boyfriend are both vampires. She gives some decent interviews on her own perspectives of her vampirism. The site's forum is also useful to find threads on vampires discussing why they feel they are vampires. Most of those threads (vampire origins/theories on causes) can be found in the "Real Vampires: Advanced Thoughts/Discussion" section, but you'll have to register to view it. You won't see the categories and threads if you are not a member. If you look at the site owner (MemoryandDream)'s photo, though, you will see what I mean when I say that you can't necessarily pick a vampire out of a crowd. Unless you are yourself a vampire (at least according to vampires), but that is another issue.

The other website that is pretty good is Sanguinarius.org for Real Vampires, Blood Drinkers and Vampiric People. It also has lots of informative articles and a large forum with lots of topics. And I don't believe you have to register to view the threads.

Generally we do not post other forums on this one, but given the specificity of the request and lack of overlap in subject matter, I figured it was easier to just redirect curious people to some sites best suited to answer this.

[Blackrose]

Originally Posted by Francis king

dear sweet enlightenment kisses... please do not trouble urself with silliness like vampire and satanism... vampires do not exist, and nor do satanists, really, they just think they do... as ur only 16, u would not be accepted into any decent coven (a group of witches) until u were at least 18, and as I'm new here and am not sure of the rules I do not know if u will be around here long enough to read this post, butI hope u do... when we are young, and brought up with faith, we like to rebel, and a lot of us, me included, try to become "darker" than we are, to rebel against our parents, the church, etc, etc, but really, its all a waste of time, and u'd be better off focusing on ur career and ur future than all this rubbish.. hopefully one of the mods will see ur post and cut it up, and take out ur addys, and I'll tell u why, shall I? cos if u really are a 16 year old kid, then ur offering urself up on a plate to all kinds of weirdoes who eat lil kids like u for breakfast, and while that might seem oh so very exciting to you now, the reality of life is somewhat different. Pain, misery, violence, drinking blood, hurting ppl, its not big, and its not clever either... grow up kid... if u want to learn about these things, then great, I admire ur enthusiasm, but u can read books, u can surf the net, and then u can decide... if u want some sweaty old man teaching u about Crowleys sex magic, great, but really, kiddo, get some sense...

How very egotistical and condescending of you, not to mention ignorant and uneducated. I have been a Satanist since I was 16 years old and am damn year 40 now. I have moved on to Luciferian Witchcraft, some Hoodoo, and consider myself a Vampyre. Do you not think that there are a few of us "darker" folk that have kids too. I, myself have a daughter who is 16 and a step-daughter who is 14. You'd better bet nobody would get away with harming either. I'm not even going to bother commenting further to you. I can see you are a closed minded bigot.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Blackrose

and am damn year 40 now.

consider myself a Vampyre.

Forty years old? And you think *keeps straight face* You are a vampire? Curious question.. Still live with your mom?

[Blackrose]

Might I suggest the following link to an etext? Its in pdf.

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/sC1kRSl...%20Shadows.pdf

[17th Angel]

Hmmm only read the first few pages... Makes me think of like people that love white wolf VtM too much. Seriously... Looks like something tat someone has thrown together in like a month... Like the "lex's" that are used in things like VtM...... Anyway couple questions.

What makes M W Ford so special?

The dragon is where the vampire is supposed to encycle... Yet it states this dragon is the father of lies? So yo live a life of lies?

Whos Kali?

[Blackrose]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Forty years old? And you think *keeps straight face* You are a vampire? Curious question.. Still live with your mom?

Actually, I have not seen either of my parents in quite some time. Bet you still live at home with your huh?

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Blackrose

Actually, I have not seen either of my parents in quite some time. Bet you still live at home with your huh?

Nope... I own, all paid, two houses

Just from previous experiences... I have met a few people that claimed to be vampires.....

[Blackrose]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Hmmm only read the first few pages... Makes me think of like people that love white wolf VtM too much. Seriously... Looks like something tat someone has thrown together in like a month... Like the "lex's" that are used in things like VtM...... Anyway couple questions.

What makes M W Ford so special?

The dragon is where the vampire is supposed to encycle... Yet it states this dragon is the father of lies? So yo live a life of lies?

Whos Kali?

You are entitled to your opinion, as uneducated as it may be.

Michael Ford has been initiated into Temple of Set, Temple of the Vampire, Order of Nine Angles, and founded The Order of Phosphorus, and Black Order of the Dragon. He has authored several books on the Black Arte's.

The Dragon is the "Father of Lies" because he is the Adversary, (Chaos, the power of change) causing all things to change. Therefore, there is no constant, all things are changing. So, what maybe true in time will no longer be true, thus it becomes a lie.

But I'm not here to spoon feed you. If you really wish to know do some research. You will find that you get more answers if you are sincerely seeking answers and are not so condescending.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Blackrose

You are entitled to your opinion, as uneducated as it may be.

Michael Ford has been initiated into Temple of Set, Temple of the Vampire, Order of Nine Angles, and founded The Order of Phosphorus, and Black Order of the Dragon. He has authored several books on the Black Arte's.

The Dragon is the "Father of Lies" because he is the Adversary, (Chaos, the power of change) causing all things to change. Therefore, there is no constant, all things are changing. So, what maybe true in time will no longer be true, thus it becomes a lie.

But I'm not here to spoon feed you. If you really wish to know do some research. You will find that you get more answers if you are sincerely seeking answers and are not so condescending.

Uneducated? Because I look at this *.PDF and can see how it easily can relate to some Vampire RPG's? You got me.. How silly of me. Anway, I am just curious to meeting a believer of such a path... Indeed I am not that sincere, to the seeking answers anyway. Just the subject was brought up being a comparative religious forum thought you may wish to add information... Not just showing what someone else has to say, but what you think and believe...

[Blackrose]

Oh, Well in that case I'm completely sorry. It just sounded to me like you were trying to belittle me because of my beliefs. But surely you would not be a religious bigot. Right?

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Blackrose

Oh, Well in that case I'm completely sorry. It just sounded to me like you were trying to belittle me because of my beliefs. But surely you would not be a religious bigot. Right?

Define a religious bigot and I'll give you a yes/no answer.

I would say from what I define as a religious bigot, that I'm not... I have no religion. Did have. Don't now.. Just please myself Curious to looking at many forms of religion there are and seeing what motivates them to action and faith and whatever..... heh.

[Blackrose]

Well, sun is coming up, time for me to retire 'til later.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Blackrose

Well, sun is coming up, time for me to retire 'til later.

LOL.... Good morning then.

[Blackrose]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

LOL.... Good morning then.

Actually, its more the fact that I'd all ready had a really long night. I work from 4PM - 3:35AM. So when the Sun starts coming up I know I'd better get to bed and rest up for the next night at work.

Bit off topic, but wanted to clearify that it wasn't because I am somewhat vampyric and can't stand sunlight. Though I will admit my eyes are a bit sensitive to sunlight. I attribute that more to having worked nights so long rather than a vampyric condition though.