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Bishadi · 05-07-2008, 05:44 AM

seems you are doing just fine.

see ya

Tao_Equus · 05-07-2008, 01:57 PM

Tell me Bishadi,

If the photon is the primary building block where did they come from? If I get it right what the science of today thinks is that all photons were originally created in particle/anti-particle collisions that resulted in the creation of two photons with opposite polarity or spin. This a bit of a chicken or egg paradox, does the collision 'liberate' the photons or 'create' them? If the former is the fact then under what conditions were the photons trapped in the first place. If the latter the photon cannot be the primary as you state.

Looking through some articles on the photon it seems to me there is nothing new that you add to what is already being said. Just they way you dress it and attempt to 'spiritualise' it. "Let there be light". Even if you are on to something and the photon is far more relevant to the big question than given credit there is still no way to marry such an idea with some omnipresent and deliberate purpose.

If I am wrong please correct me but I see no difference in what you are saying from that proposed in the Standard Model. You hint that your idea, unlike the standard model, also incorporates gravity but you dont say how. Well not that I have understood so far anyway. Also...what is a photon to fermions and bosons? From what you say they are all derived from the photon too. For that to be true I could only imagine that there is more than one type of photon. You see I find it hard to accept all stems from one. You need a medium of interaction and a catalyst too.

Doubtless you have seen that film where a photon is fired into a BEC and slows from light speed to a few meters per second. And as it exits the BEC it reassumes its original lightspeed momentum. I have never understood how that is possible. Can you explain it?

Tao

cyberpi · 05-07-2008, 04:21 PM

Universal consciousness...

Where there is an imagination there is an enterprise of dogma. Buzzzzzing ideas and words like a spider web to entangle the quantum mind. The tasty koolaid from the outer... the inner... the energized... the singularly everpresent... the zero infinite... the infinitely constant... the stochastically deterministic... the quantum continous... the super EM gravitationally weak nuke-lee-ar... the fiction friction... the massfully energetic massless spacey void in time... the instamatic dogmatic coveted world of restricting but non-restricted free imagination.

Sorry if I stepped in the Tao or the Z of the Bishadi here... a bit of dissonance in the congnitive lobe so I fired up the imagination to put out the fire. Ooops.

... the utility of mind.

< steps away to avoid further quantum entanglement >

_Z_ · 05-07-2008, 08:37 PM

tao
i agree. there is a proposed higgs boson particle that is presumed to be the heaviest and origin of all later particles, but it is thought that they only existed at the beginning of expansion. i don’t see how it all comes down to light though? there may be a universal origin ~ probably must be, but light is but an aspect of it.

cyberpi
ever heard of quantum un-entanglement! other than that i didn’t understand a word lols

Tao_Equus · 05-07-2008, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberpi

Universal consciousness...

Where there is an imagination there is an enterprise of dogma. Buzzzzzing ideas and words like a spider web to entangle the quantum mind. The tasty koolaid from the outer... the inner... the energized... the singularly everpresent... the zero infinite... the infinitely constant... the stochastically deterministic... the quantum continous... the super EM gravitationally weak nuke-lee-ar... the fiction friction... the massfully energetic massless spacey void in time... the instamatic dogmatic coveted world of restricting but non-restricted free imagination.

Sorry if I stepped in the Tao or the Z of the Bishadi here... a bit of dissonance in the congnitive lobe so I fired up the imagination to put out the fire. Ooops.

... the utility of mind.

< steps away to avoid further quantum entanglement >

WoW MaN!! Thats just like so deep Mannn. Maybe I'l ask you to be my Guru after all!

Yeh it is a lot of ballcocks. But it is not the only source of that....

Ta

cyberpi · 05-09-2008, 01:48 AM

Among friends in engineering it was a common phrase, "You've pulled that one out of your grass." ... only it is more along the lines of: What is the last thing to go through the bug's mind when it hits the windshield?

From a thermodynamics perspective it is simple: what comes out has greater entropy or heat than what goes in. The cornerstone of imagination, and evolution, is a good source of entropy.

Quantum unentanglement? Well I've discovered that God can entangle and un-entangle things that people can't. I don't think spooky is the right word but it does seem to defy any limitations of distance.

05-07-2008, 05:44 AM	#31 (permalink)
Bishadi Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Valley of the Sun Posts: 253	Re: universal consciousness and the utility of mind seems you are doing just fine. see ya

05-07-2008, 01:57 PM	#32 (permalink)
Tao_Equus Exercises in futility Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Edinburgh, scotland Posts: 2,490	Re: universal consciousness and the utility of mind Tell me Bishadi, If the photon is the primary building block where did they come from? If I get it right what the science of today thinks is that all photons were originally created in particle/anti-particle collisions that resulted in the creation of two photons with opposite polarity or spin. This a bit of a chicken or egg paradox, does the collision 'liberate' the photons or 'create' them? If the former is the fact then under what conditions were the photons trapped in the first place. If the latter the photon cannot be the primary as you state. Looking through some articles on the photon it seems to me there is nothing new that you add to what is already being said. Just they way you dress it and attempt to 'spiritualise' it. "Let there be light". Even if you are on to something and the photon is far more relevant to the big question than given credit there is still no way to marry such an idea with some omnipresent and deliberate purpose. If I am wrong please correct me but I see no difference in what you are saying from that proposed in the Standard Model. You hint that your idea, unlike the standard model, also incorporates gravity but you dont say how. Well not that I have understood so far anyway. Also...what is a photon to fermions and bosons? From what you say they are all derived from the photon too. For that to be true I could only imagine that there is more than one type of photon. You see I find it hard to accept all stems from one. You need a medium of interaction and a catalyst too. Doubtless you have seen that film where a photon is fired into a BEC and slows from light speed to a few meters per second. And as it exits the BEC it reassumes its original lightspeed momentum. I have never understood how that is possible. Can you explain it? Tao

05-07-2008, 04:21 PM	#33 (permalink)
cyberpi Executive Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,272	Re: universal consciousness and the utility of mind Universal consciousness... Where there is an imagination there is an enterprise of dogma. Buzzzzzing ideas and words like a spider web to entangle the quantum mind. The tasty koolaid from the outer... the inner... the energized... the singularly everpresent... the zero infinite... the infinitely constant... the stochastically deterministic... the quantum continous... the super EM gravitationally weak nuke-lee-ar... the fiction friction... the massfully energetic massless spacey void in time... the instamatic dogmatic coveted world of restricting but non-restricted free imagination. Sorry if I stepped in the Tao or the Z of the Bishadi here... a bit of dissonance in the congnitive lobe so I fired up the imagination to put out the fire. Ooops. ... the utility of mind. < steps away to avoid further quantum entanglement >

05-07-2008, 08:37 PM	#34 (permalink)
_Z_ from far far away Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: oxfordshire Posts: 651	Re: universal consciousness and the utility of mind tao i agree. there is a proposed higgs boson particle that is presumed to be the heaviest and origin of all later particles, but it is thought that they only existed at the beginning of expansion. i don’t see how it all comes down to light though? there may be a universal origin ~ probably must be, but light is but an aspect of it. cyberpi ever heard of quantum un-entanglement! other than that i didn’t understand a word lols

05-09-2008, 01:48 AM	#36 (permalink)
cyberpi Executive Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,272	Re: universal consciousness and the utility of mind Among friends in engineering it was a common phrase, "You've pulled that one out of your grass." ... only it is more along the lines of: What is the last thing to go through the bug's mind when it hits the windshield? From a thermodynamics perspective it is simple: what comes out has greater entropy or heat than what goes in. The cornerstone of imagination, and evolution, is a good source of entropy. Quantum unentanglement? Well I've discovered that God can entangle and un-entangle things that people can't. I don't think spooky is the right word but it does seem to defy any limitations of distance.

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