Torah-observant Christian?

[juantoo3]

Kindest Regards, Luna!

Good to see you back around! Or maybe I haven't been paying attention?

Originally Posted by lunamoth

I feel the same way about the painting of the mountain and the thing signfied and the finger pointing at the moon.

My take on it is that God is not behind the sacred texts, but in, above, and through them. In other words, if you're looking you can't miss.

In a sense, I agree. I do think it is quite easy to interject our own "ego" into the matter though...and then we are right back where we started with creating G-d in our own image. If there is something to be said for intent, and one side of me hopes dearly for it, then I agree that "if you're looking you can't miss." If you are looking with a pure and contrite heart, things do become manifest that otherwise are not. This light I have seen.

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Kindest Regards, Luna!
Good to see you back around! Or maybe I haven't been paying attention?

Thank you Juan. I've been lurking but not posting as much as before.

[Prober]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Kindest Regards, Prober!

Well, yes...but the trick is in not inadvertantly doing things the other way around. The trick is to try to see G-d, (*as much as G-d can be seen*) as He IS, rather than as we desire Him to be.

Yes, that's true...

I realize I could have more accurately said "Let us make ourselves available to reflect G-d's image" (or something like that...).

[Prober]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Kindest Regards, Luna!

Good to see you back around! Or maybe I haven't been paying attention?

I second that notion...miss seeing your posts.

[China Cat Sunflower]

This is an interesting conversation. I'm not sure that I have anything to add. My own point of view is that Christianity and Judaism should get an amicable divorce. An entirely Greek influenced Christianity would be so much less schizophrenic.

Chris

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by Prober

Oh, absolutely!

I missed this earlier, sorry! Good to 'see' you too Mr. Prober .

luna

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

If you are looking with a pure and contrite heart, things do become manifest that otherwise are not. This light I have seen.

As much as I'd like to believe it, I really don't think I can count on myself to have a pure and contrite heart. I strive for it, but I'm counting on grace, which is unmerited.

[Prober]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

This is an interesting conversation. I'm not sure that I have anything to add. My own point of view is that Christianity and Judaism should get an amicable divorce. An entirely Greek influenced Christianity would be so much less schizophrenic.

Chris

Who gets the kids?

I don't know that I agree...

Christianity might be alot more interesting and philosophical and stuff, but would seem hollow to me without "the law and the prophets".

Would Judaism be better off without the distraction? Has Judaism benefitted from Christianity in any way?

Was Jesus even trying to create a new religion?

[China Cat Sunflower]

Well, a divine messiah isn't a Jewish concept. It's a Greek avatar in Jewish clothing. Christianity may or may not have started out as a Jewish sub-sect, but what it evolved into has almost nothing to do with Judaism. If you want to really appreciate the Torah you have to remove the Christian overlay, but when you do the logical basis for Jesus being a messiah disappears. That's the essential problem.

The OT is blue, the NT is yellow. All the Christians are going "hey, the Torah is green", and the Jews are just shaking their heads.

Chris

[Prober]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

Well, a divine messiah isn't a Jewish concept. It's a Greek avatar in Jewish clothing. Christianity may or may not have started out as a Jewish sub-sect, but what it evolved into has almost nothing to do with Judaism. If you want to really appreciate the Torah you have to remove the Christian overlay, but when you do the logical basis for Jesus being a messiah disappears. That's the essential problem.

Chris

Would the Torah support Jesus as a divine messanger of some sort, just not the messiah?

[Prober]

Without the Jesus consideration, everything I believe comes from the Torah.

I might as well convert...

[dauer]

Prober,

Would the Torah support Jesus as a divine messanger of some sort, just not the messiah?

I think the only way to view Jesus in such a way would be to compare him to a rebbe. Info available here:

Rebbe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dauer

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

This is an interesting conversation. I'm not sure that I have anything to add. My own point of view is that Christianity and Judaism should get an amicable divorce. An entirely Greek influenced Christianity would be so much less schizophrenic.

Chris

That was brilliant/ignorant.

What amazes me is your willingness to disregard 2 billion people because you are ticked off at the christian faith?

And you thought I was rude...(enough for you to file a complaint)...

Arrogance.

q

[Prober]

Originally Posted by dauer

Prober,

I think the only way to view Jesus in such a way would be to compare him to a rebbe. Info available here:

Rebbe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dauer

Thanks, Dauer.
Very informative (and thought-provoking).

[China Cat Sunflower]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

That was brilliant/ignorant.

What amazes me is your willingness to disregard 2 billion people because you are ticked off at the christian faith?

And you thought I was rude...(enough for you to file a complaint)...

Arrogance.

q

Nobody bests you in the arrogance department homie. Nobody.

Chris