Tolerance and Intolerance

[cyberpi]

I found some disagreement over these terms a few weeks ago, so I'd like to pose a question as food for thought with a bent towards the Gospels:

Which of the following is an example of a person who is tolerant or intolerant?

1. A parent who knowingly makes a food that a child does not like.
2. A cook that produces an unpopular food.
3. A cook that does NOT make the food the way you like it.
4. A cook that knowingly poisons the food with tainted yeast.
5. A person who can not stand eating a certain food.
6. A person who can not stand people who eat a certain food.
7. A person who can not stand the cook who makes a certain food.
8. A person with an allergic reaction to a food.
9. A person who tries foreign or unfamiliar foods... and/or unfamiliar cooks.
10. A person who shoots the cook.

[wil]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

Which of the following is an example of a person who is tolerant or intolerant?

Interestingly enough it appears the question forces an answer that isn't always there...

1. A parent who knowingly makes a food that a child does not like.
could be caring or could be spiteful....

2. A cook that produces an unpopular food.
could be ignorant...if in business could soon be bankrupt

3. A cook that does NOT make the food the way you like it.
Sounds like I need to find another cook or quit being so picky.

4. A cook that knowingly poisons the food with tainted yeast.
Sounds criminal.

5. A person who can not stand eating a certain food.
I guess that could be intolerant...unless you eat it even though you can't stand it, then you are tolerating it...but not being tolerant...doesn't that apply to all of us? Are their people out there who will just eat everything?? Delicacies to each society are often gross to another.

6. A person who can not stand people who eat a certain food.
Now that appears to be intolerant...as it has nothing to do with you, it is their path.

7. A person who can not stand the cook who makes a certain food.
Again, get another cook, eat someplace else. Intolerant.

8. A person with an allergic reaction to a food.
A person with an allergy, he is not intolerant, his body is....oh interesting ramifications...I am not my body....uh oh.

9. A person who tries foreign or unfamiliar foods... and/or unfamiliar cooks.
Experimental, outgoing, not tolerant.

10. A person who shoots the cook.
Depends on who the cook was and what the cook did. Many would justify that in the case of Hannibal or Dahmer...

[Prober]

Which of the following is an example of a person who is tolerant or intolerant?

1. A parent who knowingly makes a food that a child does not like.
Not enough info.
2. A cook that produces an unpopular food.
Not enough info.
3. A cook that does NOT make the food the way you like it.
Not enough info.
4. A cook that knowingly poisons the food with tainted yeast.
Not enough info.
5. A person who can not stand eating a certain food.
Not enough info.
6. A person who can not stand people who eat a certain food.
Intolerant.
7. A person who can not stand the cook who makes a certain food.
Intolerant.
8. A person with an allergic reaction to a food.
Not enough info.
9. A person who tries foreign or unfamiliar foods... and/or unfamiliar cooks.
Tolerant.
10. A person who shoots the cook.
Intolerant.

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by wil

Interestingly enough it appears the question forces an answer that isn't always there...

Could you elaborate? I found that the Gospels do the same when symbolizing words or ideas with food, but if you meant that the choices I provided were limiting then please add more examples that might show tolerance or intolerance... I didn't mean to limit that. I seem to be lacking an example of tolerance.

I have noticed references to, "foisting down someone's throat" or "force feeding", in relation to intolerance so I thought it would be good to explore that analogy. I find that it is a common struggle between the parent/cook who makes food choices, and the child who wills to make personal food choices.

Originally Posted by Prober

Not enough info.

What info would make it an example of tolerance or of intolerance?

[wil]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

Could you elaborate? ... the choices I provided were limiting then please add more examples that might show tolerance or intolerance... I didn't mean to limit that. ...What info would make it an example of tolerance or of intolerance?

1. A parent who knowingly makes a food that a child does not like.
Not enough info. The parent's concern might be nutrition or what they can afford.
2. A cook that produces an unpopular food.
Not enough info. Is this a professional chef? Is he pushing the envelope. Is he producing ethnic food from his country that he thought would be a hit?


In general the statements could be true for a variety of reasons that would tend to either be tolerant or intolerant...or that is not actually the answer but the only two available.

Maybe we should just discuss your concern and questions about certain passages of scripture and then we'll be able to ascertain what you are thinking...

[Prober]

Originally Posted by wil

1. A parent who knowingly makes a food that a child does not like.
Not enough info. The parent's concern might be nutrition or what they can afford.
2. A cook that produces an unpopular food.
Not enough info. Is this a professional chef? Is he pushing the envelope. Is he producing ethnic food from his country that he thought would be a hit?

This is along the lines of what I was thinking as well.

I did notice that it seemed easier to answer "intolerant" than "tolerant". Wonder why...

[wil]

Originally Posted by Prober

I did notice that it seemed easier to answer "intolerant" than "tolerant". Wonder why...

and I disagree with your 9 and 10...

9. A person who tries foreign or unfamiliar foods... and/or unfamiliar cooks.
Tolerant.

I think he would only be tolerant if he continued to eat food he didn't like...I think he adventerous, interested in exploring the flavors of the world...but if he puts up with what he doesn't like for some reason...he tolerates it. But if he enjoys it all....tis niether.

10. A person who shoots the cook.
Intolerant.

Again their could be a good reason to shoot the cook, if violence is in your paradigm. What if you just found out he poisoned a bunch of people and is about to do it again...and this is the only way to stop him? Ridiculous scenario....ok how about this...you are a cameraman, you are filming a tv pilot and you have to shoot the cook and the rest of the resturant as well...

Now if one does not respond negatively or condescendingly to my thoughts...I'd say they are tolerant...or maybe just wacked or apathetic...

hmmm....what other things could be perceived as tolerant or intolerance when they are truly not???

[Saltmeister]

Originally Posted by wil

10. A person who shoots the cook.
Depends on who the cook was and what the cook did. Many would justify that in the case of Hannibal or Dahmer...

The person who shoots the cook is a murderer, but maybe not intolerant. Actually that would be beyond intolerant. It would be hateful and malign. Violent and gruesome.

I guess that makes me intolerant and judgmental for condemning the murderer.

[InLove]

What if the cook asks you to shoot him? (Never mind--different subject. )

InPeace,
InLove

[Saltmeister]

Originally Posted by wil

Again their could be a good reason to shoot the cook, if violence is in your paradigm. What if you just found out he poisoned a bunch of people and is about to do it again...and this is the only way to stop him? Ridiculous scenario....

Why not just call the police and get him arrested? Call in the homicide detectives. No intolerance meant there. Just a thought.

Originally Posted by wil

ok how about this...you are a cameraman, you are filming a tv pilot and you have to shoot the cook and the rest of the resturant as well...

For real?

[Prober]

Originally Posted by wil

and I disagree with your 9 and 10...

Are you intolerant of my 9 and 10?

Yeah, I see your point - all in perspective.

[wil]

Originally Posted by Saltmeister

Quote:
Originally Posted by wil
Again their could be a good reason to shoot the cook, if violence is in your paradigm. What if you just found out he poisoned a bunch of people and is about to do it again...and this is the only way to stop him? Ridiculous scenario....

Why not just call the police and get him arrested? Call in the homicide detectives. No intolerance meant there. Just a thought.

Quote:
Originally Posted by wil
ok how about this...you are a cameraman, you are filming a tv pilot and you have to shoot the cook and the rest of the resturant as well...

For real?

see you tolerate me becuase I am too obtuse...

In scenario 1 He is a well renowned Chef serving his piece of resistance and the thousand people paid a thousand dollars a plate and are about to be death by cyanide sherbert souffle and they won't listen to me and there is no time to call the cops...

In scenario 2 we are 'shooting' the b-rated bomb 'death by cyanide sherbert' and the cameraman will 'shoot' the next scene.

its all bad, very very bad...

[cyberpi]

What would make 1, 2, and 3 and example of intolerance or tolerance? It is that struggle between parent and child over food selection that I find most relevant and symbolic of many things.

This is my viewpoint:

1. Neither.
2. Neither.
3. Neither.
4. Intolerance.
5. Intolerance.
6. Intolerance.
7. Intolerance.
8. Intolerance.
9. Unknown: the test for an Intolerance or Tolerance.
10. Intolerance.

Regarding a biological intolerance: I view most intolerances like addictions or fears... something that, if desired, could be overcome but not necessarily without help from others. I find behind all intolerances is something either biological or an assumed and integrated belief. I am intolerant of many things. I am addicted to many things. The test of whether you can tolerate something is to try it or to accept it... just like the test of whether you are addicted is to NOT do it or to reject it. I find that everything is tolerable, but with potential consequences in the same way that an addiction can be starved but with potential consequences. That an allergy presents consequences that are outside of a individual's will power is not special and not surprising. But remember, with others like God all things are possible.

It is not a goal of mine to eliminate every intolerance and addiction... it is a goal to introspectively understand their source and reason. I am content being addicted to sleep seven nights a week and I am content being intolerant of eating things that are moving. I consider it an error to be intolerant of intolerance as it is to be addicted to addictions... a bit self-defeating and simply not my goal.

Regarding food poisoning or shooting the cook: Whether it be an unjust hatred, lawful, or with the best of intentions, I find that harming someone is an intolerance of them. To harm or condemn is to remove from another person's will power.

Tolerance versus something new, unfamiliar, or an ignorance: I agree with Prober that it is NOT an example of tolerance to try something new. It is very tempting to say that it is an example of tolerance since identifying or overcoming an intolerance requires doing it. Yet if a person tries peanuts and dies from a peanut allergy, was it a tolerance for trying something new or the discovery of an intolerance? It seems there are three choices: Assume tolerance until proven otherwise, OR assume intolerance until proven otherwise, OR assume neither until put to the test. I think it is smartest to recognize it as a test and to assume neither until tested. Maybe an act of bravery but you can't determine tolerance or intolerance until someone tests it.

I find that it can also be an act of Faith to NOT try some things. For example statistics today show that the flesh is intolerant to radiation, or easily highly addicted to heroin... I am placing faith in those who compiled the statistics and I will not be testing it.

Relevance to Christianity? I will put together some verses that come to mind.

[Prober]

I really thought this would be more clear cut.

Intolerance is subjective? Fascinating!

[Saltmeister]

Originally Posted by wil

In scenario 2 we are 'shooting' the b-rated bomb 'death by cyanide sherbert' and the cameraman will 'shoot' the next scene.

its all bad, very very bad...

Oh . . . you meant "shooting" as in "filming", not "killing."