These verses from the bible really anoy me.

AbdAlRahman · 08-25-2005, 07:29 PM

Hello !

Im a muslim and i started to read the bible to see what do christians see in it, as we all know i have no doubt that the bible came from God , coes it is a command from God for us to beleave in him and his books befour the Qu'Ran, anyway at first i was wondering wich bible to choose... i mean i heard that there was allot of versions , so i got some versions of the bible , then i read them and i found some verses that anoy me , coes i know God would never say such things , and i dont want to say the bible is currupted thats why i searched for a forum , coes i need an explanation .

Note: some of the bible verses contain pornagraphy.

"How beautiful your sandaled feet, O prince's daughter! Your graceful legs are like jewels, the work of a craftsman's hands. Your navel is a rounded goblet that never lacks blended wine. Your waist is a mound of wheat encircled by lilies. Your breasts are like two fawns, twins of a gazelle. Your neck is like an ivory tower. Your eyes are the pools of Heshbon by the gate of Bath Rabbi.
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I said 'I will climb the palm tree; I will take hold of its fruit.' May your breasts be like the clusters of the vine, the fragrance of your breath like apples, and your mouth like the best wine. (The NIV Bible, Song of Songs 7:1-4, 8-9)

i have more of verses that contain pornagrophy but i wont post anymore of it , and if this is too much please edit but dont delete the topic , here is another non-porn verse but still has something that anoyes me :

"All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God's name and our teaching may not be slandered. (From the NIV Bible, 1 Timothy 6:1)"

"Let all who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be defamed. (From the RSV Bible, 1 Timothy 6:1)"

i got allot more of these verses but i only want the verses i gave to be explained,

Thank you.

Bandit · 08-25-2005, 09:01 PM

interesting.

i dont see any porn that has been suggested, in the songs of solomon. could it be in the mind of the reader instead?

could it be that it is a letter from 'Paul' (pbuh) to Timothy (pbuh) that bothers others?

Quahom1 · 08-25-2005, 10:12 PM

Welcome to CR!

I think I can help you here.

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Note: some of the bible verses contain pornagraphy.
"How beautiful your sandaled feet, O prince's daughter! Your graceful legs are like jewels, the work of a craftsman's hands. Your navel is a rounded goblet that never lacks blended wine. Your waist is a mound of wheat encircled by lilies. Your breasts are like two fawns, twins of a gazelle. Your neck is like an ivory tower. Your eyes are the pools of Heshbon by the gate of Bath Rabbi.
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I said 'I will climb the palm tree; I will take hold of its fruit.' May your breasts be like the clusters of the vine, the fragrance of your breath like apples, and your mouth like the best wine. (The NIV Bible, Song of Songs 7:1-4, 8-9)

i have more of verses that contain pornagrophy but i wont post anymore of it , and if this is too much please edit but dont delete the topic , here is another non-porn verse but still has something that anoyes me :

Song of Songs was written to describe two relationships, in healthy report (ideal). The first is the relationship between a man and his mate (bridegroom and bride). If every man looked upon his own wife in this way, there would be no pornography, no adultery, no divorce. All he needs would be right there before him in one woman...his mate. Song of songs clearly states that of all the women of the world, the author's mate is everything to him, and none other matter in this light.

In addition, the author is not describing his mate to others, he is writing a letter of Love, desire, admiration, anticipation and satisfaction to his mate (the specific person of is desires). He sets the letter up for any man to substitute his name and the name of his mate for that of the author's and his mate.

It is in short a love letter, or love Epic from one man to one (and only one) woman. They are lovers and bonded. Please do not ignore the response that the woman has for her man (as she swoons for him, searches for him, waits for him with bated breath).

The other (more cryptic), but none the less real relationship being described here, is that of God's (Jesus)(the bridegroom), love for his "bride", the people of God. And also how the people of God should feel about Him.

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"All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God's name and our teaching may not be slandered. (From the NIV Bible, 1 Timothy 6:1)"

"Let all who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be defamed. (From the RSV Bible, 1 Timothy 6:1)"

This is a simple but profound verse, that has many layers to it, but the overwhelming message is to do the absolute best one is able to do for the Glory of God, in the current status and condition one finds themself. Just because one accepts Jesus as savior, does not automatically change the conditions of one's life, only the conditions of one's salvation. One must still carry out their station in life for the Glory of God. If one is a slave (for example), then be the best, most loyal of servants to one's master. In this one might bear witness to the master, the Glory of God, by one's actions, and in affect, influence the Master and all his household to accept salvation by the Lord.

I hope this has helped you in understanding these passages in a better light.

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AbdAlRahman · 08-25-2005, 10:21 PM

Yeha i think i do , see im not that good at english so if you can make it more simple and no long words

But what ive understood is that :

1 st verses [ i didint understand your answer well ]

2nd i understoodd that God didint want to change others people life so He allowed slavery to prevent changing the life of non-beleavers who became beleavers,

and i have a question , Did God in the bible forbid slavery ? if so , wich verse?

Quahom1 · 08-25-2005, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by AbdAlRahman

Yeha i think i do , see im not that good at english so if you can make it more simple and no long words

But what ive understood is that :

1 st verses [ i didint understand your answer well ]

2nd i understoodd that God didint want to change others people life so He allowed slavery to prevent changing the life of non-beleavers who became beleavers,

and i have a question , Did God in the bible forbid slavery ? if so , wich verse?

Ok, sorry

1st verse. It is a bunch of love letters, between one man and his wife. It is also a bunch of love letters between God and mankind.

2nd verse. God wants people who accept His salvation to do the best they can at what position they are in, to show the world His Glory. If you are a welder, be the best welder. If you are a police man, be the best police man. If you are a slave, be the best and most loyal slave. If you are a doctor, be the best doctor. Everything you do, do for the honor and glory of God.

Slavery was a fact at the time the Bible was written. Some new Christians at the time thought that since they were Christians, they should no longer be slaves. God said, "What ever position you have in life, do your best at it".

Does this help?

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AbdAlRahman · 08-25-2005, 10:34 PM

Yes thanks ,

So God in the bible never forbid slavery but encurages people to have human slaves ?

Quahom1 · 08-25-2005, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AbdAlRahman

Yes thanks ,

So God in the bible never forbid slavery but encurages people to have human slaves ?

No. God never forbid slavery, but encourages people to do the best they can, where they are at.

If you are a farmer, be the best farmer. If you are an engineer, be the best engineer. If you are a servant, be the best servant. If you are a slave, be the best slave.

It means, do not become dis-satisfied with your position in life, simply because you are saved in Jesus. It means be the best you can be, as you are, and give that "best" to God, for His glory.

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AbdAlRahman · 08-25-2005, 10:55 PM

Still find it strange

Cous God forbid slavery in the Qu'ran

I find that strage the bit on that God didint forbid it in the bible is becouse ive heard that the bible is filled with human rights and all.

Quahom1 · 08-25-2005, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by AbdAlRahman

Still find it strange

Cous God forbid slavery in the Qu'ran

I find that strage the bit on that God didint forbid it in the bible is becouse ive heard that the bible is filled with human rights and all.

The idea is to trust God to place us in positions, that He can work His will through us. The idea is to trust God to move us where we belong, as He wills it, and then, to do our best and give thanks to God for it.

AbdAl, we are slaves to this life, today. We are slaves to our jobs, money, our creditors, our ambitions. God says to trust Him, and He will release us from our "bondage". The story of the slaves was an extreme example.

If you read the New Testament about the Centurian and Jesus, you will find that the Centurian too was a servant as well as a master. Slave and Master, all in one person.

He gave orders he expected to be obeyed, and carried out orders as he was given them. He approached Jesus with this absolute understanding. If Jesus gave an order, it would be obeyed instantly. He asked Jesus to give an order to heal his servant (slave), whom he loved dearly. Jesus wondered at the absolute faith the centurian had, and gave the order. The Centurian's servant was immediately healed, even before the Centurian returned home. The servants of the Centurian met him on the road home, and told him his favorite servant was healed. The Centurian stunned them all, by saying "I know, The Lord said so."

Does this make sense?

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AbdAlRahman · 08-25-2005, 11:12 PM

Well i have another verse i dont think its clear in the one i gave , and it clearly showed that God commanded so called masters or slave owners to give the slaves to their children and something about prostatution , i realy didint understand it, are you furmiliar to the verse?

Quahom1 · 08-25-2005, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by AbdAlRahman

Well i have another verse i dont think its clear in the one i gave , and it clearly showed that God commanded so called masters or slave owners to give the slaves to their children and something about prostatution , i realy didint understand it, are you furmiliar to the verse?

I would be happy to assist you, if you can quote the verse for me.

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Quahom1 · 08-25-2005, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AbdAlRahman

Well i have another verse i dont think its clear in the one i gave , and it clearly showed that God commanded so called masters or slave owners to give the slaves to their children and something about prostatution , i realy didint understand it, are you furmiliar to the verse?

By the way. What is your native language? You are pretty good with English.

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AbdAlRahman · 08-25-2005, 11:21 PM

Im half arabic and polish . alittle more to the arabic side

AbdAlRahman · 08-25-2005, 11:34 PM

Sorry i took long , i think these are the onse:

Numbers 31:17-18 "Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."

"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that has known a man by sleeping with him.(Num 31:17).

i think thse are the onse.

Exodus 23:12 "Six days do your work, but on the seventh day do not work, so that your ox and your donkey may rest and the slave born in your household, and the alien as well, may be refreshed."

Let us look at Exodus 21:28 "If a bull gores a man or a woman to death, the bull must be stoned to death, and its meat must not be eaten. But the owner of the bull will not be held responsible."

Let us also look at Exodus 21:29 "If, however, the bull has had the habit of goring and the owner has been warned but has not kept it penned up and it kills a man or woman, the bull must be stoned and the owner also must be put to death."

Let us look at Exodus 21:31 "This law also applies if the bull gores a son or daughter."

Now, let us look at this verse Exodus 21:32 "If the bull gores a male or female slave, the owner must pay thirty shekels of silver to the master of the slave, and the bull must be stoned. (but not to death)"

Ill post the one i had in mind i dont think its there but still answr them

Quahom1 · 08-25-2005, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AbdAlRahman

Sorry i took long , i think these are the onse:

Numbers 31:17-18 "Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."

"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that has known a man by sleeping with him.(Num 31:17).

i think thse are the onse.

Exodus 23:12 "Six days do your work, but on the seventh day do not work, so that your ox and your donkey may rest and the slave born in your household, and the alien as well, may be refreshed."

Let us look at Exodus 21:28 "If a bull gores a man or a woman to death, the bull must be stoned to death, and its meat must not be eaten. But the owner of the bull will not be held responsible."

Let us also look at Exodus 21:29 "If, however, the bull has had the habit of goring and the owner has been warned but has not kept it penned up and it kills a man or woman, the bull must be stoned and the owner also must be put to death."

Let us look at Exodus 21:31 "This law also applies if the bull gores a son or daughter."

Now, let us look at this verse Exodus 21:32 "If the bull gores a male or female slave, the owner must pay thirty shekels of silver to the master of the slave, and the bull must be stoned. (but not to death)"

Ill post the one i had in mind i dont think its there but still answr them

As these are specifically Old Testament verses, I believe the best person or persons to answer these accurately would be Bananaha Brain, or Dauer. They are are resident experts in the "Torah". I have an understanding of these requirements, but not the appropriate explanation for you. Would you mind if I asked them to answer?

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