The Way of Salvation

[lunamoth]

Dear Sacredstar, thank you for taking time to reply so thoroughly to my questions. Really we are not far apart . The thing is that I often mistake your posts for saying that you hold the key to some Only Way, rather than an alternative Way. Also, I think you are using the term Gnosis differently than what it usually calls to my mind: a secret teaching only available from some other indoctrinated person or to some limited few (even if that limitation is self-imposed, say by being too busy earning one's bread to learn all the esoteric teachings). His yoke is easy and His burden light. Apparently you are using Gnosis mean a personal awakening to deeper spiritual understanding or insight. Happens all the time, I agree.

To infinity and beyond!

lunamoth

And yes, the Kingdom is within us and all around us. Peace.

[Sacredstar]

Dear Lunamoth

Originally Posted by lunamoth

Really we are not far apart . The thing is that I often mistake your posts for saying that you hold the key to some Only Way, rather than an alternative Way. Also, I think you are using the term Gnosis differently than what it usually calls to my mind: a secret teaching only available from some other indoctrinated person or to some limited few (even if that limitation is self-imposed, say by being too busy earning one's bread to learn all the esoteric teachings). His yoke is easy and His burden light. Apparently you are using Gnosis mean a personal awakening to deeper spiritual understanding or insight. Happens all the time, I agree.

To infinity and beyond!

And yes, the Kingdom is within us and all around us. Peace.

Oh yes beauty is in the eye of beholder, and so it is that I am learning from all of you (my environment) to express myself better through (Gnosis) knowing through experience and interaction so thank you Lunamoth and all others on CR. To me the whole point is that each journey for each soul is very special and unique for everyone, so yes where there is a will there is a way, and many different paths that can take someone the same way home to the source of the heart of GOD.

May I ask where did this understanding come from? "The term Gnosis differently than what it usually calls to my mind: a secret teaching only available from some other indoctrinated person or to some limited few"

And even in your post I see a message for me, I have a friend who calls himself Infinity and Beyond who as the same perceptions that you had of where I was coming from and so I will share this with him.

Yes a personal awakening of conscious awareness.

As it said in the Temple of Delphi, "Know thyself and you will know the universe and GOD'.

Gnosis my dictionary says knowledge, spiritual, recognition

Gnosiology - Philosophy of knowledge

Gnosticism - Taught the redemption of the spirit from matter by spiritual knowledge, and believed creation to be a process of emanation from the original essence or Godhead.

In Greek Gnosis - Gnostikos - To know

I guess the problem is if people feel separated or/are not aware of their spiritual self hence would not recognise, understand or listen to the wisdom and intuitive insights from the soul.

For me Christian Gnosticism is more philosophical and hence more liberating but from another perspective liberation can be a state of mind not necessary a condition of being.

Thank you for sharing lunamoth, I may need to enlist your help to insure that I do not continue to give a wrong impression. As I move towards the biggest challenge of my life this year the impression is going to be key to its success I feel.

Big hugs

Love beyond measure

Sacredstar

[lunamoth]

Hi Sacredstar, we've discussed the confusion over Gnosticism before: Gnosis/Gnosticism

I would draw your attention particularly to I, Brian's short comment.

Peace,
lunamoth

[Bandit]

I was checking out this thread again. I read what everyone said. So I have decided to let everyone work out there own salvation and leave it at that. To lighten things up, I want to share what I read about what Joe said
Let Work Be Your Way of Salvation

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When Joe's wife ran away he got so depressed that his doctor sent him
to see a psychiatrist. Joe told the psychiatrist his troubles and
said, "Life isn't worth living."
"Don't be stupid, Joe," said the psychiatrist. "Let work be your way of salvation. I want you to totally submerge yourself in your work. Now, whatdo you do for a living?"
"I clean out septic tanks and sewer pipes." Joe replied.

[didymus]

I want to comment on Gnosis and what my understanding of it is. The early Gnostics (at least the ones I read about) beleived that gnosis was open to all. Gnosis had nothing to do with knowledge in the mental sense. It was related to an intimate, personal experience with God. This was considered to be esoteric in a sense because only those that had experienced it knew what it was. Same as the person today who had a transformation by God, they have a hard time explaining it to the person without that experience.

For those that speak in only one language such as English, we only have one word for knowledge. This is what I dislike about English. In other languages you had different words for evrything. ie; in Spanish there are 2 forms of to be, 2 forms of knowing. In spanish the word for knowing as a fact is saber, ie; you know a fact. The word for knowing as in aquaintance is conocer. So you conocer a person. You know them.

The gnosis that we speak of with the gnostics is a personal aquaintance or experience (conocer). It has nothing to do with knowing facts about God or head knowledge. This difference is not taught by those explaining Gnosis.

[Sacredstar]

Dear Bandit

That just about sums up psychiatrist's and mental health which is in the dark ages, they certainly do have not the key to salvation in fact they take the most beautiful souls into the black hole of hell where they play with their minds, humiliate and drug them till they are immobile and filled with self hate. So all very depressing.....but the light is now you know......there are two keys to truth one takes us to the black hole and the other to completion. GOD gave use free will so that we could choose what key to use.

Do you have a lighter and uplifting joke? Hugs!

Dear didymus

Yes I agree as we have said before on these forums many words have different interpretations, understanding and insight depending on who's consciousness they are in. Add perceptions and assumptions and you have misunderstanding. So hey discussion is GOOD.

being love

Sacredstar

[Sacredstar]

Now this in interesting.....

Definition of Salvation

     The Greek word usually translated "save," sozo (Strong's #4982), the intensive diasozo, and the related nouns soter (savior), and soteria (salvation), have a surprisingly broad range of meaning.

     Sozo, from a root meaning "safe", means, according to Strong, "to save, i.e. deliver or protect (literally or figuratively)." In the King James Version it is variously translated "heal, preserve, save (self), do well, be (make) whole."

Jesus certainly did teach the way......of salvation through love and compassion of self and others.

Love beyond measure

Kimxxx

[Dor]

Gnostic

GNOS'TIC, n. nostic. [L. gnosticus; Gr. to know.]

The Gnostics were a sect of philosophers that arose in the first ages of christianity, who pretended they were the only men who had a true knowledge of the christian religion. They formed for themselves a system of theology, agreeable to the philosophy of Pythagoras and Plato, to which they accommodated their interpretations of scripture.



From Webster's dictionary 1828

[Sacredstar]

Dear Dor

As I understand it the Christian Gnostics were the very first Christians and many of the Apostles were also Christian Gnostics.

Do you have a comment to make on the literal translation of the word 'salvation' ?

being love

Kimxx

[Dor]

Originally Posted by Sacredstar

As I understand it the Christian Gnostics were the very first Christians and many of the Apostles were also Christian Gnostics.

Thats where differences arise of course cause I understood it the Gnostics were the first Heretics.

Actually that pretty much coincides with most definitions Ive ever read or heard.
The act of saving or protecting and delivering from destruction, danger or calamity. Dont believe we have a difference in the definition of the word Salvation, I believe the difference for most is what we need to be saved from, and who or what does the saving and how.

[Sacredstar]

Dear Dor

Yes i agree, I just found this.

"The Book of John and Revelation are Gnostic/Essene in origin. Paul was very revered by them but I wouldn't call Paul an outright Gnostic. His spiritual experience on the road to Damascus in Acts is typical Gnosticism or spiritual enlightenment.

Gnostism predates Christianity and is not a rip-off of Christianity as the church claims. It is written that without the influence of Gnosticism, there would be no Christianity, in particular, Protestantism.

This thread is about salvation and not gnostism, so yes it does come back to our individual understanding and experience of GOD. How Jesus as shown us individually the way to salvation, and of course that can be different for each and every individual because everyone of us is unique and have had different life experience that we have wished to be saved from.

So Jesus is the way and the life.

being love

Kimxxx

[Faithfulservant]

(Salvation)
swthriva soteria Strongs 4991

1. deliverance, preservation, safety, salvation

1. deliverance from the molestation of enemies
2. in an ethical sense, that which concludes to the souls safety or salvation
   1. of Messianic salvation

1. salvation as the present possession of all true Christians
2. future salvation, the sum of benefits and blessings which the Christians, redeemed from all earthly ills, will enjoy after the visible return of Christ from heaven in the consummated and eternal kingdom of God.

Fourfold salvation: saved from the penalty, power, presence and mostimportantly the pleasure of sin. A.W. Pink

Used in Luke, John, Acts, Romans, 2 Corinthians, Ephesians, Phillipians, 1 and 2 Thesselonians, 2 Timothy, Hebrews, 1 and 2 Peter Jude and Revelation

swthvrioß soterion strongs 4992

1. saving, bringing salvation
2. he who embodies this salvation,
3. or through whom God is about to achieve it the hope of (future) salvation

Used in Luke, Acts, Ephesians and Titus



(Save)

sw/vzw sozo Strongs 4892

1. to save, keep safe and sound, to rescue from danger or destruction

1. one (from injury or peril)
   1. to save a suffering one (from perishing), i.e. one suffering from disease, to make well, heal, restore to health
   2. to preserve one who is in danger of destruction, to save or rescue
2. to save in the technical biblical sense
   
   1. negatively 1b
3. to deliver from the penalties of the Messianic judgment 1b
4. to save from the evils which obstruct the reception of the Messianic deliverance

The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon

Cant quite figure out how you got your definition lol.. Seems like you embellished or something or didnt post all of the listed definition.

Nice try though

[Faithfulservant]

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, THE TRUTH, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. John 14:6


For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16