The Walled Garden approach - Page 3

Dor · 10-19-2006, 05:50 PM

I am not going to say I am all for a walled garden approach or anything.
I just really want to vent and ask a couple questions.
How come when I do not just bow down to people trashing my beliefs and telling me my beliefs are wrong then I am said or insinuated to be intolerant.

Yet when anyone says anything remotely traditional on the liberal board they are informed real fast they are in the wrong place.

Seriously my big question is why am I the intolerant one for not just letting people tell my backwards ass, redneck, fundamentalist beliefs are all wrong?

Why am I the intolerant one for hanging on to my belief that Jesus is my lord and savior and not backing off that, yet the other side that are just as adamant that Jesus is just a good man and showed us the way to be gods are seen as enlightened.???

lunamoth · 10-19-2006, 06:34 PM

I would vote for the reuniting of the Christianity forums. I don't think the separation has resolved any conflict.

luna

juantoo3 · 10-20-2006, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Dor

How come when I do not just bow down to people trashing my beliefs and telling me my beliefs are wrong then I am said or insinuated to be intolerant.

Yet when anyone says anything remotely traditional on the liberal board they are informed real fast they are in the wrong place.

Because the liberal clique, with few exceptions, haven't a clue what tolerance really is. My hope is that it is a learning curve, a process of developing and maturing, and that with time they will "get it."

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Seriously my big question is why am I the intolerant one for not just letting people tell my backwards ass, redneck, fundamentalist beliefs are all wrong?

The problem is not with you. You have been most obligeing (sp?) and tolerant, even with those I would have trouble holding my temper with.

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Why am I the intolerant one for hanging on to my belief that Jesus is my lord and savior and not backing off that, yet the other side that are just as adamant that Jesus is just a good man and showed us the way to be gods are seen as enlightened.???

Did you happen to notice their board just kinda fizzled? Nothing worth talking about on there. It's easier to trash someone else's beliefs than it is to talk about something worthwhile, or so it seems to me...

Faithfulservant · 10-20-2006, 04:16 AM

Well.. I at least feel justified that Im not contributing to the ongoing problem between the two groups since I havent posted on the liberal forum.. and that is because I have no desire to be ripped apart for even posting there..

I like the two different forums because there IS a difference in the two belief systems...I almost feel like Im playing a defensive game of chess... Im guarding my king against an attack.. manuevering my pieces around the board trying to stop the invasion and the king represents my faith and the pieces represent my bible.. I cant do it if the other sides king is sitting right next to mine and the exact same color...because its not..

Sorry for the lame analogy.

wil · 10-20-2006, 02:31 PM

I must be the problem. Yes I have made mention on the liberal board of my saying that I thought it innapropriate to say my way or the hiway. You are correct, we were supposed to be open for discussion. I have no issues of discussing the variety, but am intolerant of I am right and you are wrong.

I have no issues with litteralists or fundamentalists discussing thought on the liberal section....as a matter of fact I absolutely encourage it, I would love that point of view... and yes I can accept one indicating that I am going to hell, as long as it is prefaced with I think you are going to hell. If we have an arms race we both need to be ready to receive vollies...

I've tried to curb my tongue and temper my thoughts on the Christianity board, maybe I've still raised hackles and maybe incapable of that. I may need another sabatical.

Dor · 10-20-2006, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by wil

I must be the problem. Yes I have made mention on the liberal board of my saying that I thought it innapropriate to say my way or the hiway. You are correct, we were supposed to be open for discussion. I have no issues of discussing the variety, but am intolerant of I am right and you are wrong.

I have no issues with litteralists or fundamentalists discussing thought on the liberal section....as a matter of fact I absolutely encourage it, I would love that point of view... and yes I can accept one indicating that I am going to hell, as long as it is prefaced with I think you are going to hell. If we have an arms race we both need to be ready to receive vollies...

I've tried to curb my tongue and temper my thoughts on the Christianity board, maybe I've still raised hackles and maybe incapable of that. I may need another sabatical.

No Wil you dont need to take a sabatical.

Trust me my conservative, bible thumping redneck butt can be abrasive and seem intolerant as anyone walking the face of the earth. I just think its funny how I am labeled as such yet some people that think they are tolerant are constantly telling me how wrong I am and I need to use my brain(not you, heck we have actually found a few things we agree on

).

My background being born in Deep South then moving to Texas. Having a family where Grand-Fathers, all uncles, Dad, brother, sister and myself were all military. Spending most of my live deep in the Bible belt of course I ended up pretty fundamentalist.
That being said I would never tell anyone on here they are going to hell. I might say according to what the Bible says you might be but I dont decide that in the final picture.
My God is able to do anything he wants to except lie!!!

I, Brian · 10-20-2006, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dor

No Wil you dont need to take a sabatical.

Trust me my conservative, bible thumping redneck butt can be abrasive and seem intolerant as anyone walking the face of the earth. I just think its funny how I am labeled as such yet some people that think they are tolerant are constantly telling me how wrong I am and I need to use my brain(not you, heck we have actually found a few things we agree on

).

My background being born in Deep South then moving to Texas. Having a family where Grand-Fathers, all uncles, Dad, brother, sister and myself were all military. Spending most of my live deep in the Bible belt of course I ended up pretty fundamentalist.
That being said I would never tell anyone on here they are going to hell. I might say according to what the Bible says you might be but I dont decide that in the final picture.
My God is able to do anything he wants to except lie!!!

I'm genuinely sorry you've felt bad about how things have progressed - one of the things I really like about people like yourself and Faithfulservant is that you both hold yourself openly as Christian Fundamentists in terms of beliefs - yet when it comes to judgement and intolerance, you've both shown some of the most Christ-like attitudes on the site, in terms of turning the other cheek.

It saddens me, too, that we have a splintered Christianity presence on CR - but from what I hear from Quahom and juantoo3, the Christianity Board itself is more settled these days.

I should also maybe point out that the recent removal of Terrence wasn't about beliefs - it was entirely one of behaviour.

Hope that helps.

Dor · 10-20-2006, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by I, Brian

one of the things I really like about people like yourself and Faithfulservant is that you both hold yourself openly as Christian Fundamentists in terms of beliefs - yet when it comes to judgement and intolerance, you've both shown some of the most Christ-like attitudes on the site, in terms of turning the other cheek.

Wow. All I can say is Thank You.

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Originally Posted by I, Brian

It saddens me, too, that we have a splintered Christianity presence on CR - but from what I hear from Quahom and juantoo3, the Christianity Board itself is more settled these days.

It may be more settled true, but is settled always better.
I must admit some of my favorite posts on here have been the ones with Sacredstar(maybe some of the worst also)

. I hate to admit it but she made me dig deeper. There will always be differences whether we are on same board or different ones. There are just some things some of us will not budge on.

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Originally Posted by I, Brian

I should also maybe point out that the recent removal of Terrence wasn't about beliefs - it was entirely one of behaviour.

Yes we all know you judge actions of people not their beliefs.

Bandit · 11-30-2006, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Dor

I am not going to say I am all for a walled garden approach or anything.
I just really want to vent and ask a couple questions.
How come when I do not just bow down to people trashing my beliefs and telling me my beliefs are wrong then I am said or insinuated to be intolerant.

Yet when anyone says anything remotely traditional on the liberal board they are informed real fast they are in the wrong place.

Seriously my big question is why am I the intolerant one for not just letting people tell my backwards ass, redneck, fundamentalist beliefs are all wrong?

Why am I the intolerant one for hanging on to my belief that Jesus is my lord and savior and not backing off that, yet the other side that are just as adamant that Jesus is just a good man and showed us the way to be gods are seen as enlightened.???

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Well.. I at least feel justified that Im not contributing to the ongoing problem between the two groups since I havent posted on the liberal forum.. and that is because I have no desire to be ripped apart for even posting there..

I like the two different forums because there IS a difference in the two belief systems...I almost feel like Im playing a defensive game of chess... Im guarding my king against an attack.. manuevering my pieces around the board trying to stop the invasion and the king represents my faith and the pieces represent my bible.. I cant do it if the other sides king is sitting right next to mine and the exact same color...because its not..

Sorry for the lame analogy.

mmm. some approach. eh

ROFL - 7 months later & the same old same old. or has it been 5 years?

watch out for the poison ivy in all these gardens. especially the roots.

InLove · 11-30-2006, 04:38 PM

To me, the problems on the LC board appear to be a matter of trying to define what a Liberal Christian really is. In my view, there have been some who have tried to participate there, in all sincerity, knowing that they do not exactly fit the fundamentalist profile, but who are Christians, nonetheless--even most traditional Christians would say so, with some reservations here and there.

The LC board, in my opinion, was brutal at first. But it has gotten a little better. I think that most of the members here who continue to make it home have realized that, just as in traditional Christianity, there is more than one flavor of liberalism. When we consider that to many a "conservative traditionalist", even the ecumenical view is liberal, then defining the terms "traditional" and "liberal" becomes even a more blurry endeavor. LOL--maybe we need another pidgeonhole--"moderate Christianity". But then we would still have to define that, and of course, there would be the argument that moderates were neither hot nor cold (which would not necessarily really be the case), and therefore....<sigh>.

InPeace,
InLove

seattlegal · 11-30-2006, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bandit

mmm. some approach. eh

ROFL - 7 months later & the same old same old. or has it been 5 years?

watch out for the poison ivy in all these gardens. especially the roots.

Don't be such a stranger, Bandit!
It's good to see you!

Quahom1 · 11-30-2006, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by InLove

To me, the problems on the LC board appear to be a matter of trying to define what a Liberal Christian really is. In my view, there have been some who have tried to participate there, in all sincerity, knowing that they do not exactly fit the fundamentalist profile, but who are Christians, nonetheless--even most traditional Christians would say so, with some reservations here and there.

The LC board, in my opinion, was brutal at first. But it has gotten a little better. I think that most of the members here who continue to make it home have realized that, just as in traditional Christianity, there is more than one flavor of liberalism. When we consider that to many a "conservative traditionalist", even the ecumenical view is liberal, then defining the terms "traditional" and "liberal" becomes even a more blurry endeavor. LOL--maybe we need another pidgeonhole--"moderate Christianity". But then we would still have to define that, and of course, there would be the argument that moderates were neither hot nor cold (which would not necessarily really be the case), and therefore....<sigh>.

InPeace,
InLove

The problem is not the Liberal bent of some Christians (hell I'm liberal in alot of ways)

. It is the radicals that come in and try to tear the place up (but call themselves liberal). then scream bloody murder when told to back off.

It's like Christianity is a magnet for those who want to go gunning for what they think are "stupid sheep", only to find out that most of them sheep have curled horns that hurt when knocked on the head with. "What? You can't stand your ground...you're a Christian! You're supposed to be easy pickings!???"

Christians are likened to Teddy Roosevelt's adage about America. Speak softly, but carry a big stick.

I think the two forums should be put back into one, where they both belong. But I think the fool who intends to disrupt the forum, or attack the members there would be in for a rude awakening.

Anyway, my two cents

v/r

Joshua

Ciel · 11-30-2006, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

The problem is not the Liberal bent of some Christians (hell I'm liberal in alot of ways)

. It is the radicals that come in and try to tear the place up (but call themselves liberal). then scream bloody murder when told to back off.

It's like Christianity is a magnet for those who want to go gunning for what they think are "stupid sheep", only to find out that most of them sheep have curled horns that hurt when knocked on the head with. "What? You can't stand your ground...you're a Christian! You're supposed to be easy pickings!???"

Christians are likened to Teddy Roosevelt's adage about America. Speak softly, but carry a big stick.

I think the two forums should be put back into one, where they both belong. But I think the fool who intends to disrupt the forum, or attack the members there would be in for a rude awakening.

Anyway, my two cents

v/r

Joshua

Many come in peace Q, but the defence system on the christianity board has become so tight it seems it only recognises attack.
I agree it would be better if the two boards were as one. We need patience and humility in the attempt of understanding.

- c -

seattlegal · 11-30-2006, 06:56 PM

They really wanted that board, too. {sigh}
Maybe "other sheep" might be a better term than "Liberal Christianity?"

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Originally Posted by John 10:16

And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.

Quahom1 · 11-30-2006, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ciel

Many come in peace Q, but the defence system on the christianity board has become so tight it seems it only recognises attack.
I agree it would be better if the two boards were as one. We need patience and humility in the attempt of understanding.

- c -

Hmm, I agree to a point. Patience yes. Humility...no. Defence of the Christianity board being tight...maybe, we'll see.

v/r

Joshua