The real cause of Islamic terrorism - the yogic perspective

[niranjan]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

Here you have bombings by sikhs:

1991 Global Terrorism: Asia Overview


Separatists also have stepped up attacks against journalists. In January, Sikh extremists declared war on the press in Punjab and forced reporters to stop calling them terrorists. Newsmen critical of Sikh terrorist tactics received death threats. Kashmiri groups also assassinated journalists, including the editor of the Urdu daily Al-Safa in April. Although Assamese and Kashmiri terrorists limited their operations to their respective states, Sikh terrorists expanded their operations outside Punjab. In late January, Sikh terrorists bombed a movie theater in New Delhi, injuring six people. Sikh extremists probably also were responsible for a bombing in New Delhi in late April that killed three people and wounded eight. In mid-October, a Sikh bomb killed at least 55 people and wounded 125 others at a Hindu festival in Uttar Pradesh, near the Nepalese border. In late August, four members of the Khalistan Liberation Front unsuccessfully attempted to assassinate the Indian Ambassador to Romania in Bucharest; Romanian antiterrorist experts killed one person and captured the other three. This was the first Sikh terrorist operation outside India since 1987.

And as I said , Sikh extremism has been crushed by sikhs themselves in Punjab and India. There is no violence or anything whatsoever in Punjab now, and things are very peaceful in India now.

Sikhs themselves are understanding that they have been manipulated by Islamic pakistan for their own ends and are wiser now.

Also I wish to state that even these few sikh militants never killed the bahais, the zoroastrians, the jews, the buddhists, the jains, the christians, the assyrians and raped their women any where in India or the world, unlike the islamic fundamentalists.


There are substantial sikh minorities in the U.S, the U.K. , Australia, and in all these countries they are perceived as a hardworking , industrious, prosperous and well-educated community with very low crime rates , unlike the islamic communities in these countries.And the buddhist and the hindu minorities as well share these same charecterestics as the sikh community and this has been proven by sociological research.

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

This in no way excuses the behaviour of so called Muslims committing such attrocities. What makes a terrorist? The experts say it is not religion but economic hardship, oppression, lack of education and a feeling of helplessness.

Yeah sure, so Osama Bin Laden was a poor man. Great logic. Same with Aurangzeb, Babar, Allaudin Khilji and other religious despots.

And we have numerous islamic terrorists , who are well-educated, which includes bin laden, aurangzeb and babar, and ayatollah khomeini. Lack of education is not the reason for islamic terrorism, but the reasons I have cited above in my previous posts.

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Persecution of buddhists by Islamic fundamentalists

Persecution of Buddhists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The Mahabodhi Movement in 1890s held the Muslim Rule in India responsible for the decay of Buddhism in India. Anagarika Dharamapala did not hesitate to lay the chief blame for the decline of Buddhism in India at the door of Muslim fanaticism. Dr. B. R.Ambedkar stated Islam as the major behind the decline of Buddhism in India.

Several central asian buddhist nations was also destroyed by islamic fundamentalists.

The recent destruction of the giant Bamiyan Buddhist statues in Afghanistan ( which clearly shows a flourishing buddhist civilization in Afghanistan prior to Islamic invasion) by the Taliban is the latest in terms of vandalism by islamic fundamentalists, and which was condemned by the whole world.

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Persecution of the Jains by Islamic fundamentalists

Islamic fundamentalists persecuted the adherents of the Jain religion , even though theirs is a noble religion that advocates strict non-violence towards all beings, including animals, even in the face of aggression.


They were persecuted by the Islamic fundamentalists, especially during the times of Jahangir and Aurangzeb and Shivaji, the great Indian king and warrior , who fought against the Mughal imperialism in central India, protested against the persecution of the Jains by Aurangzeb.

There is evidence of a large number of Jain temples being destroyed in the Muslim invasions of southern Bihar and Jharkhand as well as of western and northern Bengal, during the thirteenth and subsequent centuries in India.

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Check this out. (Times of India , 22-4-07)

Jihadist video shows boy beheading man

A video circulating in pakistan records the grisly death of a militant accused of betraying a top taliban official who was killed in a december airstrike in Afghanistan. The executioner, a boy, who looks barely 12, denounces the blindfolded man before him as a US spy, before hacking off his head to cries of 'God is great' and hoists it in triumph by the hair.

The soundtrack features songs praising TAliban supreme leader Mullah Omar and "Sheikh Osama"-an apparent reference to Osama bin Laden, who is suspected of hiding along the Afghan-Pakistan border.

The footage shows Nabi making what is described as a confession, being blindfolded with a checkered scarf. "He is an american spy. Those who do this kind of thing will get this kind of fate," says his baby-faced executioner, who is not identified.

A continuous 2 1/2- minute shot then shows the victim lying on his side on a patch of rubble-strewn ground. A man holds Nabi by his beard while the boy, wearing a camouflage military jacket and oversized white sneakers , cuts into the throat.

The film , overlain with jihadi songs, then shows the boy hacking and slashing at the man's neck until the head is severed.



http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2...s-ghulam-nabi/



http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...0421?hub=World



You can very well imagine the situation in islamic society where a tender child of barely 12 has no problems whatsoever in repeatedly chopping off the neck of a fellow human being, severing it, and holding it up by the hair in triumph.

In this context , the words of the austrian officer who witnessed the nauseating torture and killing of the bahais by islamic fundamentalists come to my mind.( as shown in my previous posts)

It is high time , the world understand the great danger and threat that islamic terrorism poses to civilization and mankind, or other wise we risk repeating all the atrocities committed by islamic terrorists ever since the 7th century A.D. and the destruction of the zoroastrian empire and civilization.


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Here is an another jihadi report in the same newspaper.......



Want to sing and dance, go to India : Pak cleric

Islamabad: A radical Islamic cleric in Pakistan has said that dance and music would not be permitted in the country and those interested in the same should go to India.

" We will not wait more..... it will now be Sharia(law) or shahadat (martyrdom),"said Maulana Abdul Aziz, one of the clerics of Lal Masjid, which has threatened to impose the strict Islamic law in a months time in Islamabad.
Suring his Friday prayer sermon, he said those interested in dance and music should go to India, reports said.
Aziz vowed to enforce Sharia in the country even if the government did not itself do so, saying the "Sharia will be enforced at any cost, for which the whole nation should support the mosque's management. "



Indian music and films are very popular among pakistani muslim youth and they adore them. It probably gives them some joy in a society plagued by suicide bombings, nauseating violence and sheer insecurity.

Young people all over the world wants to enjoy their life and have some innocent healthy fun, and research has shown that this is very important for social bonding and for both mental, emotional ,social and physical health. Celebration of life is very important and a regular feature of all civilized countries.

Not so in islamic society where song, dance and having fun is prohibited. Is it any wonder that the youth in these countries become highly emotionally and psychologically repressed and frustrated, and becomes very good raw material in the hands of islamic clerics and fundamentalists to become suicide bombers and jihadists.

Hell, life sucks for these guys, but at least ,according to their reasoning, they can have some fun with the 72 virgins and boys in heaven , when they die in jihad.Hence is it any wonder that many young muslims are becoming jihadists and suicide bombers. Its all simple psychology and logic.

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Slaughter and rape of children by Islamic terrorists in Beslan , Russia

Beslan ...hostage crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=15206

Rapes in Beslan: in Muhammed's Footsteps

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There is a famous case in Germany recently where an idiotic german judge passed a judgement that the algerian muslim husband , who had violently and savagely beaten his wife, should be set free, because the quran sanctions violence against the wife.

Check this out.......

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UK Commentators: A Cultural Cringe Too Far


International Campaign Against Honour Killings › News

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Islamic fundamentalism in Holland

Theo Van Gogh , the descendant of the famous painter Vincent Van Gogh, and who was known for his portrayal of the violence committed against muslim women in islamic society in the film Submission was brutally murdered in Holland by islamic terrorists.


Theo van Gogh (film director) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Many rich arabs marry muslim underage girls from poor muslim countries in order to deflower them and after a few days of sexual abuse, conveniently divorce them by saying the islamic word TALAQ three times.

This is a frequent occurence in India as well, and not only rich arabs but rich India muslims too do it as well. I know of many muslim girls in south India who have committed suicide after the divorces.

Recently a film has been made in India on this matter, about young underage muslim girls marrying muslim men and undergoing sexual abuse and subsequently being divorced. The actress who played the role of the heroine got the best actress award in India. The film , in the malayalam language of south India, is called PADAM ONNU: ORU VILAPAM ( LESSON ONE : A CRY FROM THE HEART).

Meera Jasmine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

My-Kerala.com: Kerala News

All these films and documentaries are putting a lot of pressure on islamic fundamentalists who are keen to prove that islam is a religion of peace, and is very kind to women and girls.

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Taslima Nasrin

Taslima Nasrin is a heroic muslim woman who is sought after by islamic terrorists and fundamentalists for having the courage to stand up against islamic terrorism and oppression of minorities in islamic socieities.


Taslima Nasreen, the author of Lajja was given a death sentence for just stating the facts and speaking against the inhumane, cruel and barbaric nature of Islamic terrorism. She is now in India under protection from Islamic terrorists who have put a bounty on her head for beheading her.


Taslima Nasrin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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At the World's Parliament of Religions, Chicago,11 September 1893


Sisters and brothers of America,

It fills my heart with joy unspeakable to rise in response to the warm and cordial welcome which you have given us. I thank you in the name of the most ancient order of monks in the world; I thank you in the name of the mother of religions; and I thank you in the name of the millions and millions of Hindu people of all classes and sects.

My thanks also , to some of the speakers on this platform who, referring to the delegates from the Orient, have told you that these men from far-off nations may well claim the honour of bearing to different lands the idea of toleration. I am proud to belong to a religion which has taught the world both tolerance and universal acceptance.We believe not only in universal toleration, but we accept all religions as true. I am proud to belong to a nation which has sheltered the persecuted of all religions and all nations of the earth. I am proud to tell you that we have gathered in our bosom the purest remnant of the Israelites,who came to southern India and took refuge with us in the very year in which their holy temple was shattered to pieces by Roman tyranny. I am proud to belong to the religion which has sheltered and is still fostering the remnant of the grand Zoroastrian nation. I will quote to you, brethren, a few lines from a hymn which I remember to have repeated from my earliest boyhood, which is every day repeated by millions of human beings: 'As the different streams having their sources in different places all mingle their water in the sea, so, O Lord, the different paths which men take through different tendencies , various though they appear, crooked or straight, all lead to Thee.'
The present convention , which is one of the most august assemblies ever held, is in itself a vindication, a declaration to the world, of the wonderful doctrine preached in the Gita: 'Whosoever comes to Me,through whatsoever form, I reach him; all men are struggling through paths which in the end lead to Me.' Sectarianism , bigotry , and its horrible descendant, fanaticism, have long possessed this beautiful earth. They have filled the earth with violence, drenched it often and often with human blood, destroyed civilization, and sent whole nations to despair. Had it not been for these horrible demons, human society would be far more advanced than it is now. But their time is come; and I fervently hope that the bell that tolled this morning in honour of this convention may be the death-knell of all fanaticism , of all persecutions with the sword or with the pen, and of all uncharitable feelings between persons wending their way to the same goal.



Swami Vivekananda uttered this above speech on 11 September 1893 in the Parliament of Religions held in Chicago. No sooner had he addressed the assembly as 'Sisters and Brothers of America' than a great wave of enthusiasm went through the audience. They rose to their feet with shouts of applause, as if they had gone mad. Everyone was cheering , cheering and cheering. The Swami was bewildered . For two full minutes he attempted to speak, but the wild enthusiasm of the audience would not allow it. Others had addressed them in the customary manner but Swamiji had touched the deepest chord of their heart by discarding formality and stressing the kinship of all people. After the applause subsided the Swami made a brief speech.
When Swamiji had finished and sat down, exhausted with emotion, there was another tremondous ovation. The next day all the papers lionized him as the greatest figure and the best speaker of the Parliament. The unknown young monk became known through out the United States of America and the world. 'His life-size portraits were posted on the roadside in Chicago with his name written beneath it, and many showed reverence to it with bowed heads.'

This above speech made by Swami Vivekananda on 11 September 1893 and subsequent speeches as well, catapulted him to world wide fame. And in his first speech itself he condemned bigotry, fanaticism and persecution and consequent bloodshed which according to him had greatly hampered human civilization and culture.

And it was 108 years later in this very day 11 September, that Islamic terrorists jammed civilian aeroplanes on the world trade centres and pentagon and crashed an another civilian plane to the ground killing more than 3000 people. 9\11 shocked the world greatly and made the whole world understand with shock and pain the great danger that islamic terrorism poses to humanity and the world.

September 11, 2001 attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by niranjan

And as I said , Sikh extremism has been crushed by sikhs themselves in Punjab and India. There is no violence or anything whatsoever in Punjab now, and things are very peaceful in India now.

I was simply disagreeing with your assertion that these attrosities have NEVER been carried out by Sikhs or Hindus.

Originally Posted by niranjan

Yeah sure, so Osama Bin Laden was a poor man. Great logic. Same with Aurangzeb, Babar, Allaudin Khilji and other religious despots.

And we have numerous islamic terrorists , who are well-educated, which includes bin laden, aurangzeb and babar, and ayatollah khomeini. Lack of education is not the reason for islamic terrorism, but the reasons I have cited above in my previous posts.

That is fantastic news Niranjan thankyou for passing it on. I assume you are saying these people have blown themselves up? No. Oh so what is your point then? The people that are brainwashed into blowing themselves up are not usually from rich families, the men that hide in caves and send people to die are. I was not speaking for myself, look up the expert views of what makes a terrorist.

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Niranjan

I am not going to spend ages with you posting attrocities said to be Islamic and me responding with posts of Sikh and Hindu attrocities. That is just silly. We both agree people kill and say it is because of religion, commit terrorrism and say it is because of religion, rape and say it is because of religion. We both agree it is wrong, sinful and must stop.

I can post reams of fatwas by Islamic scholars stating it is not Islamic and explaining in the proper context the verses of the Quran used by these people but I won't because it's silly and a waste of time. The Quran is not a handbook for terrorist and Islam is not a religion of terror.

Salaam

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by niranjan

There are plenty of torture verses in the quran, both on hell and on earth. I have read the quran and hence I know that there are no verses telling one to castrate , cut breasts off and disembowel pregnant women and stuff.

I think our american scholar who reported these crimes must have felt that these torture techniques are there in the quran.

Thankyou Niranjan, this demonstrates perfectly how the lies about Islam are spread.

So if you know they are not in the Quran why did you post something you know is a lie? Does your religion not tell you that lying is wrong? Or were you hoping that people that have not read the Quran would read your post and believe it? Shame on you.

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by niranjan

I dont think I have stated christians didnt commit atrocities.

Go back and read your posts, you included Christians.

Originally Posted by niranjan

Yeah sure, we all know that the monarchy in saudi arabia is threatened by islamic fundamentalists who want to abolish the monarchy. And this is the reason why extremists who are opposed to the monarchy is hunted down by the saudi arabian police. Plus some orders from Bush also would helped.

So you complain if nothing is done and you complain if something is done.

Originally Posted by niranjan

Yeah I too have read about this, and he was under the influence of alcohol.

So it is okay to behave badly if you are drunk.

Originally Posted by niranjan

Yeah sure. sikh wiki encycopedia is a propaganda machine of the sikh extremists, and they are the only ones who call K.P.S.Gill as the 'butcher of punjab' and the other numerous and valiant sikhs who destroyed sikh terrorism in Punjab.

What I find so interesting is that I accept Islamic terrorism as a fact and I condemn it yet this man killed over 25,000 people and he is a hero of yours.

Originally Posted by niranjan

In fact it is the muslims who support the congress rather than the hindus who abhor them.

I knew you would get around to blaming the Muslims for your own attrocities as well as ours.

Originally Posted by niranjan

I have never heard of such stuff in India. The caste system was banned in India 60 years back and we have had dalit ministers, chief ministers, MPs, MLAs, and a dalit president as well in K.R. Narayan.
The same with the shudra castes as well, from which i hail from.

Look at the date, it was in 1999, long after the caste system was banned, and I only posted 2 of a huge list of such awful things. Perhaps you should read more about what is happening to your own people before you start on at the rest of the world. I am not defending any rapist, all rapists should be given a death sentence but please don't go on about rape when it is common place in your own country (by non Muslims).

Originally Posted by niranjan

What has been written above is not at all sanctioned by the hindu scriptures which hold women and girls as the manifestation of the divine mother on earth. It is also a major criminal offence in India, banned by the Indian constitution and the culprits can be arrested. And culprits have been arrested for even much minor issues of caste discrimination in India.

It is also not sanctioned by the Quran and is illegal in all countries but does that stop it?

Terrorism is not sanctioned by the Quran but does that stop it?

Originally Posted by niranjan

As I said before, rape is not sanctioned in the hindu scriptures, including against the women of other religions , unlike the islamic scriptures.

Show me one verse in the Quran that sanctions rape - in fact just show me one line of one verse that sanctions rape in the Quran. Go on post one I dare you. I will wait here for a year until you have to come back and admit there is no such verse. Stop spreading lies about the Quran. Say all you like about Muslims and terrorism but if you are going to say such awful things about the Quran you had better be able to back it up.

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Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

I was simply disagreeing with your assertion that these attrosities have NEVER been carried out by Sikhs or Hindus..

Whatever atrocities were carried out by Sikhs or hindus or buddhists, pales in comparison to that of the Islamic terrorists ever since the 7th century A.D.
You don't see sikhs or hindus or buddhists oppressing the jews, or christians or zoroastrians or assyrians, or jains, or bahais or conducting terrorist operations in China, Russia, the U.S. , the U.K., denmark, holland, germany, france, spain, sudan, algeria, morocco, libya, egypt, saudi arabia, afghanistan, pakistan, india, bangladesh, thailand, phillipines, indonesia, malaysia , uzbekistan, iran and other countries , unlike the Islamic terrorists.
It is all very obvious to everyone and if you still want to deny that, I must say that you are living in a fools paradise.

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

That is fantastic news Niranjan thankyou for passing it on. I assume you are saying these people have blown themselves up? No. Oh so what is your point then? The people that are brainwashed into blowing themselves up are not usually from rich families, the men that hide in caves and send people to die are. I was not speaking for myself, look up the expert views of what makes a terrorist.

Well you were the one who said that terrorism is linked to poverty and lack of education. It is in that context I said this. Now you are introducing suicide bombers into this. So arent Bin Laden(the multi-millionaire) , Aurangzeb and others islamic terrorists.



Also we also know that the ones who participated in the suicide bombings in 9/11, are from middle-class families and well-educated, as shown by evidences, and which also stems from the fact that these terrorists had the training to fly those planes to specefic designations. It definetely takes a certain amount of skill for this, and no uneducated person can do this.

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Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

Niranjan

I am not going to spend ages with you posting attrocities said to be Islamic and me responding with posts of Sikh and Hindu attrocities. That is just silly. We both agree people kill and say it is because of religion, commit terrorrism and say it is because of religion, rape and say it is because of religion.

And as I said before , neither hinduism and sikhism, unlike the quran, tells one to mutiltate,physically torture, enslave the women of the unbeliever ,crucify, and impose the humiliating jizya tax on the unbeliever.

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

I can post reams of fatwas by Islamic scholars stating it is not Islamic and explaining in the proper context the verses of the Quran used by these people but I won't because it's silly and a waste of time. The Quran is not a handbook for terrorist and Islam is not a religion of terror.

And where were these fatwas when the hindus, buddhists, Zoroastrians, sikhs, bahais, jains,assyrians in Asia were tortured, raped and slaughtered.There was numerous islamic scholars and clerics at that time , who could have stopped all this if they wanted, but did not do so.

And now when faced with statistics and documented facts of islamic terrorism from other scholars and experts , they then immediately state that it is againt islam and other crap. I consider this blatant hypocrisy and convenient denial of facts.