The real cause of Islamic terrorism - the yogic perspective

[bananabrain]

Originally Posted by niranjan

Well, you did say that your mom is from mumbai, which means you belongs to the jews who fled to India from the roman tyranny.

on the contrary - although some communities, like the cochinis and the bene yisra'el of mumbai, could possibly be argued to derive from the second Temple exile, the likelihood is that they were either converted or derive from the even earlier first Temple exile, or as they themselves claim, from the "ten lost tribes" deported by the assyrians in the destruction of the northern kingdom of israel in 722 BCE. the largest mumbai community, from which i come, was that of the baghdadis who, as their name suggests, were from iraq, where they had lived as long as since 586 BCE when the first Temple was destroyed by the babylonians. in fact, the baghdadis were economic migrants, not refugees - my own family came with the british, or so i'm told. in fact, my grandfather was born in karachi, so you could just as well argue that my "fatherland" is pakistan, it would be just as logical.

And where have Bose stated that he was anti-semitic. In fact if you care to check, he was the only man who publicly criticized Hitler in Germany.

oh, well, that's all right then. i suppose that makes up for him collaborating with the nazis and setting up the azad hind legion, which was attached to the waffen ss! i'm not sure these principles of his would have lasted very long if hitler had said to him "hand over the jews and i'll invade india for you". that's my point.

So when you were living in India all these centuries, you had no problems whatsoever.

gosh, that's not a generalised statement, is it? turn it round for a moment: "so, when we were living in india all those centuries, we experienced all sorts of problems all the time" - both are equally meaningless. i think you're missing my point here, which is that a) *india's* treatment of jews is neither here nor there, we're not the ones getting it in the neck and b) although india does not, as i am happy to say, have a track record of anti-semitism, it has never been a completely happy ship on the multicultural front, for all that gandhi (for whom i have great respect) attempted to build it into the political structure at source, there were great failures (partition being rather the case in point) which i am sure you will happily blame on the muslims alone, but this is my whole point - you are being completely, completely one-sided and starting the whole thing off from the position that muslims need to justify terrorism to you. i'm not turning round to you and demanding that you take responsibility for the many stupid statements that have come out of the various parts of the RSS, am i?

When some rumours came up that the congress party is going to discriminate or something, which they have not because of their constant emphasis on secularism, you found it convenient to leave the land that had sheltered you for centuries.

how quick you are to play that card....

Also terrorists in Kashmir have also targetted Israelis visiting there. Just for the sake of information.

i know all this stuff. i've not got anything against india - as i've already said, i feel you're being way too "have you quit beating your wife?" about islam, which, imo, is not conducive to productive dialogue here - i'm advising you to dial it down or you're no doubt going to turn into one of those people who post tracts and tracts of argument but nobody else wants to talk to because they're so aggressive.

am only aggressive against islamic terrorism , not Islam, which I have stated before.

i must say i failed to pick up on the fine distinction when you started trying to support your argument with quotes from the Qur'an while refusing to accept any contextual interpretation of them from people who clearly understood them better than you.

Also I had got appreciation from others as well on this, and I thank them for this, though I would have continued even if they appreciated me or not.

gosh, you must be in demand for dinner parties.

And where are hindus who criticize judaism, if you don't mind.

where are muslims who criticise australian aboriginal beliefs? do me a favour. you can perfectly easily be a complete git without having a go at the jews, as should be obvious.

It is indeed your fatherland, as it is the land that gave your persecuted ancestors refuge and freedom of worship, and never persecuted your people , even if every other country did so.

see, this is the sort of self-serving hot air that gets right up my nose. stop blowing your own trumpet and you'll get a bt of respect.

I have already been in very unrestrained blogs and forums and all the time , I had indeed put all of them in place.

gosh, well, i can't wait for you to put the picklers in their place. i'm sure it'll take no time at all.

The caste system was originally based on this, but later it became corrupted to the birth based system. It is akin to the feudal system that was there in Europe and Japan.

well, i don't know about japan, but in europe you could certainly escape from your birth-class by joining the church or by being ennobled on the battlefield, or by becoming someone's mistress. it's not exactly the same as upward mobility, but i'm not sure the caste system allowed for even such.

As our prophet Vivekananda himself said, organised religion is bad for spiritual health.

harrumph - and is that a categorical statement, because if it's meant to apply to judaism (to say nothing of christianity and islam) it's rather on the triumphalist side.

perhaps we could draw a line under this rather unproductive discussion and open a separate discussion on caste, which you seem to know a fair bit about. or how about something about how "hinduism" is defined - i for one would be very interested to hear your point of view on whether hinduism can be understood as one religion at all, or as a vast spectrum of different beliefs. this has a great bearing on my own perspective, because, as you know, we have a problem with "idolatry" and many less educated jews consider "hinduism" to be "idolatrous". i myself do not, partly because i don't consider there to really be such a thing as "hinduism" per se and partly because i have rarely seen such a thing as an "idolatrous act" committed by hindus, although there have been some things which have given me pause for thought.

b'shalom

bananabrain

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by Snoopy

So, just for the record, how old are you?

s.

Didn't your Mummy teach you it is rude to ask a lady such a question? Only kidding, I am a mere 42 years old and it is true that when you reach 40 you start to have some clue as to who you are, so life really does begin at 40.

Salaam

[bananabrain]

They believe that those who follow the teachings of judaism and moses will go to heaven.

ahem - this is not the way we think. as i have said elsewhere, we believe that "the righteous amongst the nations have a portion in the World to Come" - so it's not just us. get your facts right, mate.

b'shalom

bananabrain

[niranjan]

Originally Posted by bananabrain

on the contrary - although some communities, like the cochinis and the bene yisra'el of mumbai, could possibly be argued to derive from the second Temple exile, the likelihood is that they were either converted or derive from the even earlier first Temple exile, or as they themselves claim, from the "ten lost tribes" deported by the assyrians in the destruction of the northern kingdom of israel in 722 BCE. the largest mumbai community, from which i come, was that of the baghdadis who, as their name suggests, were from iraq, where they had lived as long as since 586 BCE when the first Temple was destroyed by the babylonians. in fact, the baghdadis were economic migrants, not refugees - my own family came with the british, or so i'm told.

Whatever that may be, you and the persecuted jews still lived in India,due to the refuge and fredom of worship provided by hindus. That is what matters.

Originally Posted by bananabrain

in fact, my grandfather was born in karachi, so you could just as well argue that my "fatherland" is pakistan, it would be just as logical..

Well ,there was no pakistan before 1947. Also it was India and the hindus that provided your persecuted ancestors refuge and full freedom of worship. I am not sure what the muslims would have done. Most of the muslims in India hate the jews intensely from what I have seen. When it comes to the jews , they seem to be foaming@ the mouth, which was very evident when the Israeli president visited India.

Originally Posted by bananabrain

oh, well, that's all right then. i suppose that makes up for him collaborating with the nazis and setting up the azad hind legion, which was attached to the waffen ss! i'm not sure these principles of his would have lasted very long if hitler had said to him "hand over the jews and i'll invade india for you". ..that's my point...

Bose indeed had collaborated with the nazis , strictly for the independence of India and nothing else. He was the only man in Germany who had the courage to publicly criticize Hitler for his treatment of the jews, the destruction of democratic institutions in Germany, and the invasion of Russia by Germany.

Probably because of this, the humiliated Hitler wasn't very keen on Bose, and it is for this that Bose went to Japan to organise the India Prisoners of war to form the Indian National Army, which played a crucial role in India's independence movement.

Originally Posted by bananabrain

gosh, that's not a generalised statement, is it? turn it round for a moment: "so, when we were living in india all those centuries, we experienced all sorts of problems all the time" - both are equally meaningless. i think you're missing my point here, which is that a) *india's* treatment of jews is neither here nor there, we're not the ones getting it in the neck and b) although india does not, as i am happy to say, have a track record of anti-semitism, it has never been a completely happy ship on the multicultural front, for all that gandhi (for whom i have great respect) attempted to build it into the political structure at source, there were great failures...

I think your name is very appropriate. I like it.

Coming to the topic, and what are the great failures on the multicultural front!!!!!!!!! Is it the fact that we had given shelter to the jews who fled from Israel and came to India seeking refuge and shelter.

Is it the fact that the zoroastrians were given shelter , refuge and freedom of worship by the hindus, and that the zoroastrian culture ,religion and heritage is intact to the whole world .

Is it the fact that the syrian christians were given shelter, refuge and freedom of worship by the hindus, and they are living in India even now with no problems whatsoever.

Is it the fact that the bahais were given refuge and freedom of worship in India by the hindus, and that India has the largest number of bahais in the world.

Is it the fact that the tibetan buddhists headed by dalai lama were given refuge and freedom of worship by the Hindus in India and we have a thriving tibetan buddhist population.

Or is it the fact that even after the bloody partition and all the atrocities committed by the Islamic terrorists, such as Direct Action Day riots and the partition riots, the hindus still allowed millions of muslims to live in India.

Or is it the fact that we had two muslim presidents before and our present president is also a muslim, and we have a sikh prime minister and a christian lady who is the ruling leader of the governing party of India.

Or are you suggesting that India should also be like Israel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by bananabrain

(partition being rather the case in point) which i am sure you will happily blame on the muslims alone, but this is my whole point - you are being completely, completely one-sided and starting the whole thing off from the position that muslims need to justify terrorism to you. i'm not turning round to you and demanding that you take responsibility for the many stupid statements that have come out of the various parts of the RSS, am i?
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If there is anything evil anywhere , it should be criticized. And I had only yesterday criticized the VHP along with a friend of mine ( from the RSS), who think that the VHP's criticism of Valentines Day is idiotic.

Originally Posted by bananabrain

how quick you are to play that card....
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And why don't you explain why there is still a substantial jewish population in India,who has not left , and why Raymond , my young Indian jewish friend who loves India ( and Israel too) has not left India,unlike other spineless jews.

Originally Posted by bananabrain

i know all this stuff. i've not got anything against india ...

Yeah , I know that very well.

Originally Posted by bananabrain

- as i've already said, i feel you're being way too "have you quit beating your wife?" about islam, which, imo, is not conducive to productive dialogue here - i'm advising you to dial it down or you're no doubt going to turn into one of those people who post tracts and tracts of argument but nobody else wants to talk to because they're so aggressive....

I believe I have indeed engaged others in debate, and I am willing to do so as well again, if needed.

Originally Posted by bananabrain

i must say i failed to pick up on the fine distinction when you started trying to support your argument with quotes from the Qur'an while refusing to accept any contextual interpretation of them from people who clearly understood them better than you.....

So are you saying that you too believe there is nothing wrong with verses that state the believer to chop the fingers and limbs of the unbeliever, crucify him, take his women as captive slaves and have sex with these traumatised ladies, and the verse which states that it will never be accepted of any one to accept a religion other than Islam.

I know that you yourself know this is immoral, but is just putting them over here for the sake of disengenuos argument.

Go and check the jewish forums, that in www.about.com as well, and see what the jews themselves have to say with respect to these verses.

And I must say that none of them , had gone through my matter that is there in this thread.

Originally Posted by bananabrain

gosh, you must be in demand for dinner parties.

Well, I have been praised lavishly but not been extended an invitation yet, but if given , I will go for it. I love parties.

Originally Posted by bananabrain

where are muslims who criticise australian aboriginal beliefs? do me a favour. you can perfectly easily be a complete git without having a go at the jews, as should be obvious..

Well, for the sake of information, I had criticized the atrocities britishers have committed against the australian aborginals in an another forum , and again I was praised for this by an american with native Indian blood. However I didn't do this for anyones praise.

Any way why don't you answer my question which I posed to you. Do you know of hindus who have criticized judaism.

Originally Posted by bananabrain

see, this is the sort of self-serving hot air that gets right up my nose. stop blowing your own trumpet and you'll get a bt of respect...

And why not. I believe I have every right to say this, as we were the ones who gave your persecuted ancestors refuge and freedom of worship, and have never harmed your people, even though every other country has done so.And I am sure there will be grateful and patriotic jews in India , that will acknowledge this. And I have already seen one.

Originally Posted by bananabrain

gosh, well, i can't wait for you to put the picklers in their place. i'm sure it'll take no time at all....

And why do you have to wait for me . Have you become an another fan of me ! If you are, I don't mind though I might charge for autographs. And as for the picklers, I will do it on my own time and pleasure.

[niranjan]

Originally Posted by bananabrain

well, i don't know about japan, but in europe you could certainly escape from your birth-class by joining the church or by being ennobled on the battlefield, or by becoming someone's mistress. it's not exactly the same as upward mobility, but i'm not sure the caste system allowed for even such.
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Well ,from what I know , the british knights and aristocrats especially, marry among themselves in the past, and they do the same in the present as well, with respect to the aristocrats. They do not marry among the lower classes.
They also do not marry among the Indians or asians or blacks as well.

And I had heard from a jewish friend and an another friend of mine,that there is a class system in Israel as well. Don't know much about it.

However I do know that black jews cannot intermarry with the white jews and are discriminated. And I have seen this in newspapers as well. If I dig up on it, I can present some interesting material over here.

As for the Indian caste system, perhaps you should understand that most of the rishis themselves who have written the vedas are from the lower economic groups.

The original caste system was based on karma and aptitude, but later it corrupted to become the birth based system, which is now dismantled.

Even then , many of different castes have gone to the other castes as well.

Parashurama, who was born a brahmin , became a kshatriya through his martial deeds fighting against injustice.

Vishwamitra, who was born a kshatriya, became a brahmin through his spiritual efforts. Same with the Buddha who was born as a kshatriya.

Valmiki, who was a shudra, became a brahmin through his spiritual efforts, and he composed the Ramayana.

Same with Vyasa, who was a shudra, and who composed the mahabharatha.

And there have been numerous others as well.

Sree Narayana Guru, the hindu enlightened master from the lower untouchable caste, became a brahmin through his spiritual efforts.

The mahabharatha and other scriptures too says that it is conduct that determines the caste and not just birth.

And many brahmins and kshatriyas , who failed in their conduct were relegated to the lower castes.

Shankaracharya himself, raised fishermen to the position of brahmins and baluchis to the position of kshatriyas.

Originally Posted by bananabrain

harrumph - and is that a categorical statement, because if it's meant to apply to judaism (to say nothing of christianity and islam) it's rather on the triumphalist side.....

Nice to see that you are eagerly going through my posts, even though it is addressed to others.

Anyway, I didn't or Vivekananda didn't emphasize that everyone should abandon organised religion. He only pointed out its defects, and to avoid it if possible. It is not an order or something. And the same thing was said by J.Krishnamurthy, and Devamrutha , a recent enlightened master of modern India.

You can follow it if you find it good and worthwhile.

Originally Posted by bananabrain

perhaps we could draw a line under this rather unproductive discussion and open a separate discussion on caste, which you seem to know a fair bit about. or how about something about how "hinduism" is defined - i for one would be very interested to hear your point of view on whether hinduism can be understood as one religion at all, or as a vast spectrum of different beliefs.

Well, Hinduism is a religion all right, and its ultimate goal itself is nirvana or enlightenment , through the paths of jnana yoga(the yoga of the intellect), raja yoga( the yoga of mysticism or conquest of the internal nature), karma yoga ( the yoga of action) and bhakti yoga( the yoga of love).

You can choose one or more or all of these , depending on your aptitude and inclinations and strive for enlightenment.

I also wish to say that there are more than 1 billion hindus as opposed, to the jews who have never crossed the 20 million mark. Just for the sake of information.

Originally Posted by bananabrain

this has a great bearing on my own perspective, because, as you know, we have a problem with "idolatry" and many less educated jews consider "hinduism" to be "idolatrous".

To tell the truth , we really don't care what the jews have to say. We are more interested in spiritual growth and character and attaining nirvana.

Also so-called idolatry is a part of Bhakti Yoga, not the other yogas.
And even in bhakti yoga, idolatry is considered as the kindergarten of spirituality. After some time one outgrows it.

Perhaps these words of our prophet Vivekananda will put things in perspective...........


Descend we now from the aspirations of philosophy to the religion of the ignorant. At the very outset, I may tell you that there is no polytheism in India. In every temple, if one stands by and listens , one will find the worshippers applying all the attributes of God, including omnipresence of God, to the images. It is not polytheism, nor would the name henotheism explain the situation. 'The rose , called by any other name, would smell as sweet.'Names are not explanations.
I remember , as a boy, hearing a Christian missionary preach to a crowd in India. Among other sweet things he was telling them was that if he gave a blow to their idol with his stick, what could it do ? One of his hearers sharply answered , ' If I abuse your God, what can He do?' 'You would be punished,' said the preacher, 'when you die.' 'So my idol will punish you when you die,' retorted the Hindu.
The tree is known by its fruits. When I have seen amongst them that are called idolaters, men , the like of whom, in morality and spirituality and love I have never seen anywhere, I stop and ask myself, 'CAn sin beget holiness?'

Superstition is a great enemy of man, but bigotry is worse. Why does a Christian go to church? Why is the cross holy ? Why is the face turned toward the sky in prayer? Why are there so many images in the Catholic church ?Why are there so many images in the minds of Protestants when they pray ? My brethren, we can no more think about anything without a mental image than we can live without breathing. By the law of association the material image calls up the mental idea and vice versa. This is why the hindu uses an external symbol when he worships . He will tell you, it helps to keep his mind fixed on the Being to whom he prays. He knows as well as you do that the image is not God, is not omnipresent. After all, how much does omnipresence mean to almost the whole world ? It stands merely as a word , a symbol. Has God superficial area ? If not, when we repeat that word 'omnipresent', we think of the extended sky or of space, that is all.


As we find that somehow or other, by the laws of our mental constitution, we have to associate our ideas of infinity with the image of the blue sky, or of the sea, so we naturally connect our idea of holiness with the image of a church, a mosque, or a cross. The hindus have associated the ideas of holiness , purity , truth , omnipresence, and such other ideas, with different images and forms. But with this difference that while some people devote their whole lives to their idol of a church and never rise higher, because with them religion means an intellectual assent ot certain doctrines and doing good to their fellows, the whole religion of the Hindu is centred in realization. Man is to become divine by realizing the divine. Idols or temples or churches or books are the supports, the helps, of his spiritual childhood ; but on and on he must progress.
He must not stop anywhere. ' External worship, material worship, ' say the scriptures, ' is the lowest stage; struggling to rise high, mental prayer is the next stage, but the highest stage is when the Lord has been realized.' Mark , the same earnest man who is kneeling before the idol tells you, 'Him the sun cannot express, nor the moon, nor the stars, the lightning cannot express Him, nor what we speak of as fire; through Him they shine.' But he does not abuse anyone's idol or call its worship sin. He recognizes in it a necessary stage of life. 'The child is father of the man. 'Would it be right for an old man to say that childhood is a sin or youth a sin ?

If a man can realize his divine nature with the help of an image, would it be right to call that a sin ? Nor, even when he has passed that stage should he call it an error . To the Hindu, man is not travelling from error to truth, but from truth to truth, from lower to higher truth. To him all the religions, from the lowest fetishism to the highest absolutism,mean so many attempts of the human soul to grasp and realize the Infinite, each determined by the conditions of its birth and association, and each of these marks a stage of progress; and every soul is a young eagle soaring higher and higher, gathering more and more strength, till it reaches the Glorious Sun.

Unity in variety is the plan of nature, and the Hindu has recognized it. Every other religion lays down certain fixed dogmas, and tries to force society to adopt them. It places before society only one coat which must fit Jack and John and Henry, all alike. If it does not fit John or Henry, he must go without a coat to cover his body. The Hindus have discovered that the absolute can only be realized , or thought of, or stated, through the relative, and the images, crosses, and crescents are simply so many symbols-- so many pegs to hang spiritual ideas on. It is not that this help is necessary for everyone, but those that do not need it have no right to say that it is wrong.Nor is it compulsory in Hinduism.

-----Swami Vivekananda
(paper on hinduism, 19 september 1893)

[niranjan]

Originally Posted by bananabrain

ahem - this is not the way we think. as i have said elsewhere, we believe that "the righteous amongst the nations have a portion in the World to Come" - so it's not just us. get your facts right, mate.

b'shalom

bananabrain

Maybe so, but don't Judaism consider the jews as 'Gods chosen people'. Wonder whats wrong with the others!

Also 'Gods chosen people' seems to be doing a very Godly or divine job in Israel.

[niranjan]

Also wish to state that all the gods and goddesses in Hinduism, including the trinity, is a manifestation of the supreme impersonal God Brahman.



The Mundaka Upanishad says:

Om. That supreme Brahman is infinite, and this conditioned Brahman is infinite. The infinite proceeds from infinite. Then through knowledge, realizing the infinitude of the infinite, it remains as infinite alone.



This Supreme Cosmic Spirit or Absolute Reality called Brahman is said to be eternal, genderless, omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, and ultimately indescribable in the human language. It can be at best described as infinite Being, infinite Consciousness and infinite Bliss. Brahman is regarded as the source and essence of the material universe. It is pure being. Brahman manifests as Hiranyagarbha, the "world soul", which also can take many forms or manifestations of the thousands of gods. It was deemed a singular substrate from which all that is arises, and debuts with this verse:

"Great indeed are the devas(gods) who have sprung out of Brahman." — Atharva Veda

[niranjan]

The Hindu enlightened master and prophet, Sri Ramakrishna states on image worship :

As a toy fruit or a toy elephant reminds one of the real fruit and the living animal , so do images worshipped remind one of God who is formless and eternal.


Sri Ramakrishna , addressing Keshab Chandra Sen, who was a great iconoclast in his day, said, "Why do these images raise the idea of mud and clay, stone and straw in your mind ? Why can you not realise the presence of the eternal , blissful, all-conscious Mother even in these forms ? Know these forms to be concretised forms of the eternal and formless essence of all sentiency ."

If a man thinks of the images of gods and goddesses as symbols of the Divine, he reaches Divinity . But if he considers them as mere idols made of stone or straw and clay to him the worship of those images produces no good.

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by niranjan

So you know more than the dalai lama and Vivekananda who are experts in dharmic culture!

If that's what you want to conclude fine but I didn't claim that.

Anyway , any so-called interested person can also by going through the internet or good books will indeed find similarities between hinduism and buddhism, and there are many of them. Both the ultimate goal of hinduism and buddhism itself is nirvana or enlightenment. Do you wish to argue with that !!!!!!!!!

End destiny of man and life in Buddhism.

And Buddhism according to westerners may be about psychological health and stuff, but its ultimate aim and most important teaching of the Buddha is indeed nirvana or enlightenment.

Yes, I said it was concerned with the mind (which is another way of saying psychological health) but this is not a “westerners” thing:

If you wish to thoroughly understand
All the buddhas of the past, present and future,
Then you should view the nature of the whole universe
As being created by mind alone.

- Hua-yen (Avatamsaka) Sutra.

And why are you saying all this stuff to me.

Because that is the freedom of internet forums. You know, I get to post whatever I want, you get to post whatever you want, like whether you prefer batman or spiderman, it’s not just a place to exchange “facts.”

Did I ask you about your personal beliefs. I don't think so.

I don’t know, I’ve merely responded as I saw fit to your posts. Nobody is making you read them.

You are free to believe what you want to believe

Thanks.

s.

[niranjan]

Originally Posted by Snoopy

If that's what you want to conclude fine but I didn't claim that..

Well, you indeed were making some uneducated assertive statements on Hinduism being vastly different from buddhism.





Here is what the dalai lama has to say on this.......


Historically, Buddha Sakyamuni was a Hindu. So I would like to call Hinduism and Buddhism twin brothers. Then there are common practices like samadhi and vipassana.


All these ideas are not Tibetan inventions, they are Nalanda inventions, your inventions! (laughs uproariously) We Tibetans are the chelas (students) and India is the guru.


Hinduism has a long tradition and Buddhism draws many practices from the old, ancient traditions of India. In many ways Hinduism and Buddhism are twins.



India has not only given birth to great religious tradition like Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism but has also sheltered many, like Zoroastrianism, Islam, Christianity. The religious tolerance we see around the world is also an Indian tradition.

-----Dalai lama
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Also wish to state that Buddha Purnima, a festival celebrating the birth of Gautama Buddha, is one of the most popular Hindu festivals.

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Here is an article on the alqaedas assassination attempt against the Dalai Lama and Bin Ladens condemnation of buddhism. The idiot.

Al-Qaeda Targets the Dalai Lama

Originally Posted by Snoopy

End destiny of man and life in Buddhism.
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And what about it.

Originally Posted by Snoopy

Yes, I said it was concerned with the mind (which is another way of saying psychological health) but this is not a “westerners” thing:

If you wish to thoroughly understand
All the buddhas of the past, present and future,
Then you should view the nature of the whole universe
As being created by mind alone.

- Hua-yen (Avatamsaka) Sutra...

Buddhism as well as hinduism is indeed good for the mind and psychological health. But that is not the ends of both, but nirvana or enlightenment.

Originally Posted by Snoopy

Because that is the freedom of internet forums. You know, I get to post whatever I want, you get to post whatever you want, like whether you prefer batman or spiderman, it’s not just a place to exchange “facts.”
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Okay, and I do wish to emphasize again that Batman is really good. I liked it when I was a kid. Spideys good, but batmans better.

Originally Posted by Snoopy

I don’t know, I’ve merely responded as I saw fit to your posts. Nobody is making you read them.

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Okay , no problem.

Originally Posted by Snoopy

Thanks.

s.

For what. Anyway you are welcome, whatever you are thanking me for.

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by niranjan

Well, you indeed were making some uneducated assertive statements .

You mean like you do with Islam?


Sorry to butt in, couldn't resist.

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

You mean like you do with Islam?


Sorry to butt in, couldn't resist.

Feel free, I'm done here. And I always defer to my elders! (just joking, I'm the elder )

s.

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by Snoopy

Feel free, I'm done here. And I always defer to my elders! (just joking, I'm the elder )

s.

Yes I gave up too, you just go round and round in circles.

Had to laugh at the age thing (thanks for the honesty though)

[niranjan]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

You mean like you do with Islam?

As I said before , I criticized the violent verses in the Quran and the verses that states that one ought to chop off the fingers and limbs of the unbeliever, crucify him, impose the jizya tax on him and humiliate him and make him feel subdued, capture the women of the unbeliever as slaves and giving the so-called believer the right to have sex with these traumatised ladies , even though they are married to the so-called unbeliever, and the verse that states that it will be accepted of no one to accept a religion other than islam.

And I stand firmly on what I said .

Also wish to say that I criticized Islamic fundamentalism and terrorism, not Islam. And as I mentioned before, this thread is dedicated to the memory of the millions of victims of islamic terrorism ever since the 7th century A.D. and to make sure their pain and suffering is not in vain, to bring justice to each one of them, and to make sure that they are not considered as expendable or end up as mere statistics.