The Rapture

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by kenod

pluralis majestaticus, Q

Smart A** (LOL)

[kenod]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Smart A** (LOL)

Not too much LOL at my age … wouldn’t want a royal wee!

Enough jollity, back to the topic. I thought your comments on the book of Revelation were spot on.

Regarding the fire: Rev 13 seems to indicate that it is of human origin. Two beasts are mentioned, and the first appears to be Rome - either ancient Rome or the Vatican. I think it is the latter.

BTW, I’m not against Catholics - I know many are Christians, and John-Paul was a lovely guy, and Benedict … well, is Benedict! The problem is that Luther’s criticism remains valid - a lot still believe that the church will save them, rather than their individual faith - and, yes, the same criticism can be made of all denominations. It is not the people, it is the organisation.

If the fire is of human origin, and comes down from heaven, it seems possible it refers to nuclear weapons, which are most often delivered by air. I may not see it in my lifetime, but I doubt that my children will not see a nuclear war.

If it is so, then I believe God will take His children up before the fire falls.

[Rev Wayne]

guess that means the Bible is in error concerning Revelation.

Could you elaborate on this? I didn't quite see what point you were making.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by kenod

Not too much LOL at my age … wouldn’t want a royal wee!

Enough jollity, back to the topic. I thought your comments on the book of Revelation were spot on.

Regarding the fire: Rev 13 seems to indicate that it is of human origin. Two beasts are mentioned, and the first appears to be Rome - either ancient Rome or the Vatican. I think it is the latter.

BTW, I’m not against Catholics - I know many are Christians, and John-Paul was a lovely guy, and Benedict … well, is Benedict! The problem is that Luther’s criticism remains valid - a lot still believe that the church will save them, rather than their individual faith - and, yes, the same criticism can be made of all denominations. It is not the people, it is the organisation.

If the fire is of human origin, and comes down from heaven, it seems possible it refers to nuclear weapons, which are most often delivered by air. I may not see it in my lifetime, but I doubt that my children will not see a nuclear war.

If it is so, then I believe God will take His children up before the fire falls.

I find myself in total agreement with you on this issue of the church saving people. It ain't gonna happen. Surprised? However, my reasoning is simple. The church is made of fallible people, and in the "recent" past, has shown that it is capable causing much more harm than help to people, either by its action, or in-action (which is just as bad).

You know, we (the world) ought to thank God that John-Paul chose to follow God in heart, mind and soul. He could easily have decided to go into politics and become a leader of nation(s) secularly...he had that kind of charisma we have seen in others, in the past.

As far as the rapture is concerned, I have no opinion on it one way or the other, really. If it is real, then "believers" have an escape route from things that are about to happen on earth. If it is not, then life if going to be pretty harsh while we still have it.

I never quite understood what happens to those that do not get "raptured", after the 'seven' years of troubles...There is supposed to be a thousand years of peace...does that mean the survivors live for 1000 years, or do we live the life spans that we currently "enjoy", raise new babies and continue on?

To the Reverend: My comment about Revelation being in error was sarcastic (sorry). The more I see today (the more I experience), the more certain I am that Revelation is true to the last word. It is just a matter of time. I don't have a clue as to when that time will ultimately come, nor do I care to hazard a guess (I think that would be an exercise in futility).

But I see the "insanity" and incomprehensible thinking going on, not in everyday Joe Citizen, but in the people "in power" and "influence" throughout the world. And I see that everyday Joe Citizen refuses to stand up and say 'Enough'.

Man is either too complacent, or cowardly...I haven't quite figured out which yet.

anyway, I'm rambling, so I'll stop here.

v/r

Q

[Faithfulservant]

Loved Ones.

If you are reading this and millions of people just vanished off the face of the earth.. you missed the boat... luckily there will be another one in roughly 7 years time.. You might know the Captain.. His name is Jesus Christ. He waited as long as He could but, sadly, you waited too long to ask for the ticket. (Its free btw)

The next 7 years will be rough...but there is hope! You can still ask for a ticket and His Word is the best you will find in the world these days. There is an instruction manual, Its called the Holy Bible and the book of Revelation should help you through these terrible times.. it'll be your most accurate calendar from now on.

I should warn you about the bad man.. His purpose is to deceive many and it will seem like hes the savior of the world but its a lie.. theres only one Savior and thats Jesus Christ.

Hope to see you soon!

Imagine that one day.. this letter or one like it might be real.

[taijasi]

What if the rapture is a surge of Love, that we find ourselves feeling for all others - our Brothers and Sisters of every faith and nation, everywhere in this wonderful world? Perhaps, as the years go by, this growing Spirit of understanding and inclusivity, will increase and blossom - and will finally come to an intensity and a crescendo as none of us can imagine. Perhaps ...

Suppose, for a moment, that even the leaders of Western nations will be moved and affected by this outpouring of Love. Briefly, if only long enough to realize what has occurred, they shall understand how in truth, their Brothers in the Middle East are no different at heart. And likewise, even the dictators of the East, and those everywhere who have grown so accustomed to allowing hatred in their hearts, will know Love. Suppose ...

During this crescendo and surge of Love, it may come as no surprise - to many of us - that the real progress is made by all those everywhere in this world, who have learned to let in the Light, and who also work with increased empowerment. These are politicians, businessmen, educators, artists, scientists and humanitarians ... of every religious background, or none at all. Many of the world's spiritual leaders, too, will contribute their gifts, to the combined effort of all of these inspired Workers.

The diehard materialist, and skeptic, and atheist, will know along with the hardened criminal (including the tyrants who rule the nations) ... that Love has not left Humanity. All people, everywhere, will feel and know HOPE, even if, in the days that follow, many will sink back into the morass of desperation and darkness than now imprisons our collective spirit.

But when all is said and done, no one will have disappeared from the face of the earth, unless through nuclear holocaust. No one will have instantly vaporized or vanished, except by the annihilation and destruction that our leaders are so skilled at planning. And for certain, many will reach the next world a bit disappointed, or confused as to what went wrong. Perhaps for some it was a misunderstanding of the facts, thus inefficient or incorrect action. For others, it was failure to act on the knowledge they had acquired. But whatever our fate, individually or collectively, even after the destruction of civilization itself (again), there will be those who know the mantram well, and will chant it, `All is well, all is well, all is well.'

So the rapture, will it come? It will. It is here. And there is a crescendo, as energies increase and reach every dark corner of the Earth. Heck, it's okay to imagine a better place, and to want things to be better - so that people get along and work for the common Good. It's more than okay, it's the way it's supposed to be. And that's up to us.

The Rapture is here. Can you tell? Never, have I been so sincere, or meant that so literally. If you can smile ... ahh, well then, we're on the same page.

Love and Light,

andrew

[Cage]

Originally Posted by taijasi

What if the rapture is a surge of Love, that we find ourselves feeling for all others - our Brothers and Sisters of every faith and nation, everywhere in this wonderful world? Perhaps, as the years go by, this growing Spirit of understanding and inclusivity, will increase and blossom - and will finally come to an intensity and a crescendo as none of us can imagine. Perhaps ...

Suppose, for a moment, that even the leaders of Western nations will be moved and affected by this outpouring of Love. Briefly, if only long enough to realize what has occurred, they shall understand how in truth, their Brothers in the Middle East are no different at heart. And likewise, even the dictators of the East, and those everywhere who have grown so accustomed to allowing hatred in their hearts, will know Love. Suppose ...

During this crescendo and surge of Love, it may come as no surprise - to many of us - that the real progress is made by all those everywhere in this world, who have learned to let in the Light, and who also work with increased empowerment. These are politicians, businessmen, educators, artists, scientists and humanitarians ... of every religious background, or none at all. Many of the world's spiritual leaders, too, will contribute their gifts, to the combined effort of all of these inspired Workers.

The diehard materialist, and skeptic, and atheist, will know along with the hardened criminal (including the tyrants who rule the nations) ... that Love has not left Humanity. All people, everywhere, will feel and know HOPE, even if, in the days that follow, many will sink back into the morass of desperation and darkness than now imprisons our collective spirit.

But when all is said and done, no one will have disappeared from the face of the earth, unless through nuclear holocaust. No one will have instantly vaporized or vanished, except by the annihilation and destruction that our leaders are so skilled at planning. And for certain, many will reach the next world a bit disappointed, or confused as to what went wrong. Perhaps for some it was a misunderstanding of the facts, thus inefficient or incorrect action. For others, it was failure to act on the knowledge they had acquired. But whatever our fate, individually or collectively, even after the destruction of civilization itself (again), there will be those who know the mantram well, and will chant it, `All is well, all is well, all is well.'

So the rapture, will it come? It will. It is here. And there is a crescendo, as energies increase and reach every dark corner of the Earth. Heck, it's okay to imagine a better place, and to want things to be better - so that people get along and work for the common Good. It's more than okay, it's the way it's supposed to be. And that's up to us.

The Rapture is here. Can you tell? Never, have I been so sincere, or meant that so literally. If you can smile ... ahh, well then, we're on the same page.

Love and Light,

andrew

Beautiful sentiment in this post, Andrew.

If only...

Much Love,

[JustifiedByFaith]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

As far as the rapture is concerned, I have no opinion on it one way or the other, really.

Dear Quahom1,

No opinion? Ahhhh...it's ok, share just a little of your opinion on this would ya?

[BlaznFattyz]

has anyone written or thought about writing a letter in case you are raptured for those left behind?

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by JustifiedByFaith

Dear Quahom1,

No opinion? Ahhhh...it's ok, share just a little of your opinion on this would ya?

I don't know about the rapture. Some say it will come without notice, others say the "church" (chosen), will know just like Noah knew when the rains were coming).

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

has anyone written or thought about writing a letter in case you are raptured for those left behind?

Faithful Servant did, and posted it on CR (just can't remember what thread).

v/r

Joshua


oops, it's on this thread (about 7 posts up)