The Passion of the Christ: Not Humming the Tunes - Page 2

okieinexile · 03-06-2004, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by El Greko

Without spoiling the story, before I go to see the film please could you tell me this - does it end with Jesus dead?

Almost.

Susma Rio Sep · 03-06-2004, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by okieinexile

. . .

I am what I am. My demoniation is United Methodist.

Glad to know you on a more personal level, now, Okie. We are brothers in Christ, both living the script of God to His ends whatever. What is that about God making all kinds of vessels? I just want to remind God every now and then to have a sympathetic eyes to the vessels He fashioned for less noble ends.

Susma Rio Sep

El Greko · 03-09-2004, 09:49 PM

I have heard about a Christian vicar in the UK who is giving away free tickets to The Passion for anyone who does not go to church.

If there is one way to attract people to go see a film is to have a whole bunch of Christians protesting outside.

Get my drift?

Susma Rio Sep · 03-09-2004, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by El Greko

I have heard about a Christian vicar in the UK who is giving away free tickets to The Passion for anyone who does not go to church.

If there is one way to attract people to go see a film is to have a whole bunch of Christians protesting outside.

Get my drift?

I have not seen the movie, and I don't think I have to, much less want to.

I know all about Jesus Christ that I need to know, and His death on the cross for the redemption of mankind.

One thing for sure, Gibson is making a lot of money from the film, with all the effective promotional props and devices, like using Aramaic and Latin, employed in the film.

I would hope that Gibson also gives from his earnings to the humanitarian works of the Christian churches, like orphanages, schools, and also non-Christian institutions like the doctors without frontiers and human rights watches.

Back to the movie, there is a possibility that the motive of sadistic voyeurism might be the attraction; movie makers know about that incentive of human nature. And theirs is profit.

Susma Rio Sep

El Greko · 03-10-2004, 09:51 PM

I would hope that Gibson also gives from his earnings to the humanitarian works of the Christian churches, like orphanages, schools, and also non-Christian institutions like the doctors without frontiers and human rights watches.

Susma Rio Sep[/quote]

Its not for us to question motives, only God knows the heart.

If he were to give money to good causes, I pray he does not break the golden rule of giving - don't let your right hand know what your left hand is doing.

So if he did give as a Christian we will never find out.

I am trying theseday not to judge the motives of people I know, let alone people I will never ever meet like Gibson.

You either go see the film and shut up, or don't go see the film and shut up about motives, motives, him making money, him ripping people off, Gibson don't have to answer to anyone but God.

So get off your high horse and just pray that somehow people if they do go see it will see the
true light of Christ through the sinfullness of the film as people see the true light of Christ in you despite your own sinfullness.

He has bothered to make a film about how he sees Christ, what have you done today brother, have you made something that will be seen by millions, no but you are character assasinating somebody who just maybe has a faith as big as a mustard seed...pray for him, Mr Perfect.

Don't slag off a brother in public, get my point?

If Gibson makes a billion so what, he can't take a penny with him!

Personally I don't want anybody to know what a good person I really am and how I give away my money to really good causes, do you?

I, Brian · 03-11-2004, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by El Greko

Don't slag off a brother in public, get my point?

Indeed, El Grecko - so it would be fitting if you didn't see fit to criticise other members. We have a Code of Conduct here and it is expected that members observe it.

El Greko · 03-13-2004, 11:43 PM

Apologies

I, Brian · 03-14-2004, 12:45 PM

No problem - every new place requires some adjusting to.

BubbaGump04 · 04-02-2004, 10:05 PM

The man who played Jesus is an amazing actor I think. Not many people can do what he did in this movie. Now he is going on to play legendary golfer Bobby Jones in a new movie. I wonder if people can look past him as Jesus. But I am sure he will do great in the Bobby role, seeing as how it seems he can do anything great.

okieinexile · 04-03-2004, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BubbaGump04

The man who played Jesus is an amazing actor I think. Not many people can do what he did in this movie. Now he is going on to play legendary golfer Bobby Jones in a new movie. I wonder if people can look past him as Jesus. But I am sure he will do great in the Bobby role, seeing as how it seems he can do anything great.

Bubba,

He was so bloody by the end of the movie, I don't know if I would recognize him.

Nogodnomasters · 04-03-2004, 02:37 PM

The movie was interesting. It was art if anything. Gibson made Satan look like Marilyn Manson. Would have been more interseting if Manson had played the role. God showed his disapproval by striking the actor playing Jesus with a lightning bolt.

Jesus at the end was almost comical. He had holes in his hands the size of a half dollar without any scratches on him. Maybe Gibson thought we would not being paying attention.

Simon of Cyrene? When did he become a Jew? The NT never states he was. I also assumed he wasn't since he named one of his kids after Alexander the Great who conquered Judea.

Crucifixion? Gibson makes sure we see it from all angles- including one from under the cross. Is this overkill? Also the beating of Jesus- don't worry if you miss a stroke Gibson gives you an instant replay in slow motion. It could have been a 90 minute flick. The one scene where the hook of catches Jesus in the side and pulls out a piece of flesh- ouch. I shouted out in the theater "That will leave a mark."

Some of the flashback scenes were great- such as when Jesus stumbled-others got in the way. It seems with the criticism made of the movie- Gibson went back and shot extra scenes of Jesus and inserted them.

I didn't like the Passion because it concentrated too much on the suffering of Jesus and not his message from the Sermon of Mount which I consider the cornerstone of Christianity. I know many will disagree and talk about salvation etc., but in reality his death doesn't change how we live- it is not a moral guide. The music to "Jesus Christ Superstar" played in my mind the whole time. Herod was gay in this movie too.

John the apostle was a weasel looking thing. The Peter denial scene I thought was excellent.

Pilate was done well. The Bible story in itself is not very convincing of Pilate's character. Gibson made him more believable.

And what was the scene with Mary and Mary cleaning up the blood after his scourage?

And wasn't there 3 Mary's at the crucifixion? Mary's sister Mary was also there according to John. She wasn't there according to Mel.

okieinexile · 04-03-2004, 05:51 PM

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Simon of Cyrene? When did he become a Jew? The NT never states he was. I also assumed he wasn't since he named one of his kids after Alexander the Great who conquered Judea.

As I recall, "Simon" was the name of one of Jacob's sons (at least after a bit of mutation) as well as Peter's given name. Could you help me here?

BubbaGump04 · 04-05-2004, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by okieinexile

Bubba,

He was so bloody by the end of the movie, I don't know if I would recognize him.

Haha, that is a good point. But have you seen him in Frequency or Thin Red Line? You can recognize him there for sure.

okieinexile · 04-05-2004, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BubbaGump04

Haha, that is a good point. But have you seen him in Frequency or Thin Red Line? You can recognize him there for sure.

Nope, I've not seen him there.

BubbaGump04 · 04-15-2004, 10:06 PM

You must check out Bobby Jones, then. I'm sure this will be a great example of his acting abilities.

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El Greko New Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: And I carry the reminders of every glove that hit me and laid me to the ground Posts: 29	Terrible news for Christians I have heard about a Christian vicar in the UK who is giving away free tickets to The Passion for anyone who does not go to church. If there is one way to attract people to go see a film is to have a whole bunch of Christians protesting outside. Get my drift?

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BubbaGump04 New Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 3	The man who played Jesus is an amazing actor I think. Not many people can do what he did in this movie. Now he is going on to play legendary golfer Bobby Jones in a new movie. I wonder if people can look past him as Jesus. But I am sure he will do great in the Bobby role, seeing as how it seems he can do anything great.

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Nogodnomasters General Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: SC Posts: 192	The movie was interesting. It was art if anything. Gibson made Satan look like Marilyn Manson. Would have been more interseting if Manson had played the role. God showed his disapproval by striking the actor playing Jesus with a lightning bolt. Jesus at the end was almost comical. He had holes in his hands the size of a half dollar without any scratches on him. Maybe Gibson thought we would not being paying attention. Simon of Cyrene? When did he become a Jew? The NT never states he was. I also assumed he wasn't since he named one of his kids after Alexander the Great who conquered Judea. Crucifixion? Gibson makes sure we see it from all angles- including one from under the cross. Is this overkill? Also the beating of Jesus- don't worry if you miss a stroke Gibson gives you an instant replay in slow motion. It could have been a 90 minute flick. The one scene where the hook of catches Jesus in the side and pulls out a piece of flesh- ouch. I shouted out in the theater "That will leave a mark." Some of the flashback scenes were great- such as when Jesus stumbled-others got in the way. It seems with the criticism made of the movie- Gibson went back and shot extra scenes of Jesus and inserted them. I didn't like the Passion because it concentrated too much on the suffering of Jesus and not his message from the Sermon of Mount which I consider the cornerstone of Christianity. I know many will disagree and talk about salvation etc., but in reality his death doesn't change how we live- it is not a moral guide. The music to "Jesus Christ Superstar" played in my mind the whole time. Herod was gay in this movie too. John the apostle was a weasel looking thing. The Peter denial scene I thought was excellent. Pilate was done well. The Bible story in itself is not very convincing of Pilate's character. Gibson made him more believable. And what was the scene with Mary and Mary cleaning up the blood after his scourage? And wasn't there 3 Mary's at the crucifixion? Mary's sister Mary was also there according to John. She wasn't there according to Mel.

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