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Mr RonPrice
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UNSUSPECTED BENEFITS
It is a stupendous paradox that a god does not only fail to protect his chosen people against its enemies but allows them to fail....yet is worshipped only the more ardently. This is unexampled in history and is only to be explained by the powerful prestige of a prophetic message.. -Max Weber, Ancient Judaism, The Free Press, Glencoe, 1952, p. 364. It was the very instability and incoherence of Greek political institutions during the Mycenean and Dark Ages, 1600 to 800 BC, that led to a political evolution which was denied to other cultures. -Anthony Andrewes, Greek Society, Penguin, Melbourne, 1987, p.xxiii. The process whereby its unsuspected benefits were to be manifested to the eyes of men was slow, painfully slow, and was characterized, as indeed the history of His Faith from its inception to the present day demonstrates, by a number of crises which at times threatened to arrest its unfoldment and blast all the hopes which its progress had engendered. -Shoghi Effendi, God Pases By, USA, 1957, p.111. You came from the plains and the mountains with nearby river civilizations to fertilise your soil. Perhaps you went into Egypt back when horse and chariot were first used in warfare1 and lived for half a millennium there. Then your lands slipped out of Egyptian rule, you left for Canaan and fought as an armed group with the Philistines, Midianites,Moabites, Ammonites, Aramaeans. And you fought among yourselves in your tribal and family groups until the United Monarchy under Saul, David and Solomon(ca 1030-930 BC). It had been a long journey. Things fell apart again and tensions with the nomadic Bedouins continued a political and economic warfare. Extended kinship groups and warriors quibbled and quarrelled for land, land has always been a problem. Rural herdsmen and the settled, urban population had sharp clashes as did stock-breeders and peasants in those lasting antagonisms. Gradually agriculture replaced peasantry, herdsmen and artisans. Town life took the place of the country and with the towns the urban landlords and Kings replaced the power of chieftans. It was not without a long struggle. Under Solomon(971-932) this ancient Jewish state began to take its part on the world political stage as a kind of oriental despotism like Egypt with a central administration and an all-powerful king. For the next four hundred years(922-538) Israel took part in a series of political and military catastrophes ending in the Babylonian captivity and a diaspora--you’d get used to them. During these long years oracles of a classical prophecy told of the terror of the Assyrians, the time honoured ‘law’ of the confederate tribes, the voice of doom, righteousness and that distant utopian vision. They made the moral precepts of everyday life a duty and the direction of society intimately connected with a way of life in a spirit on constant expectation and the powerful prestige of a prophetic message. And so it was that prophets, psalmists, sages and priests inculcated the Torah for generations, mostly without success until the Judean theocratic state in the fifth century BC gave a definite direction to Jewish history through that Torah. A common, universal way of life emerged in this Hebrew Commonwealth as Greece emerged into its golden age after its long and formative age, for formative ages are long & tortuous. Ron Price 26 July 1996 11800 BC |
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New Member
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: New York City, unfortunately
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Re: The Paradoxes of Jewish History
Well, it seems that you have made a declarative statement; i'm not sure where the dialogue is. Are you upset that the Jews rallied around the Torah? Do you want to discuss Historical Materialism and suggest, like Freud did, that Moses can never hurt us again? Perhaps you ought to examine the Order of Canaanites that started in the early parts of Modern Israel's history. They claimed to associate with the pre-monotheistic elements of ancient Hebrew culture; although my guess is that they are few in numbers these days and are difficult to locate.
All the Best, -Salonius |
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Mr RonPrice
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In this my first posting at the Judaism Forum under "Religion, Faith and Theology," nearly eight weeks ago now, I was playing--as I often do--poetically with my knowledge and ignorance of Jewish history and comparing and contrasitng it with ancient Greek history utilizing one of the famous sociologist Max Weber's interesting perspectives. In some ways I was "declaring," in some ways exploring and, I hope, it was an appropriate first posting at this site. If my posting was not suitable, let me know Brian. I get more emails than I care to admit each day and some slip by me unanswered. Cheers!-Ron Price, Tasmania.
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Soul Rebel
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: The Highlands of Scotland
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Re: The Paradoxes of Jewish History
Hi Ron -
CR is actually a discussion forum, not a poetry forum. While I have nothing against poetry coming up occassionally from different members, the idea that any single member should consider it their right and purpose to simply paste their poems up on CR discussion boards, is not a practice that will be either encouraged or tolerated. The previous half-a-dozen you posted have been removed, as will any such future pastings. Please do discontinue this practice, as otherwise you will lose your right to post here. |
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