The Oil

[I, Brian]

I seem to remember there's a passage that involves annointing with oil between Jesus and Mary Magdelene, which was juxtaposed with an event in the OT involving Solomon annointing with oil.

Can't remember the passages at present - sorry - but I figure they may possibly be able to help with a context, as per Dondi's comments.

[Dondi]

Originally Posted by I, Brian

I seem to remember there's a passage that involves annointing with oil between Jesus and Mary Magdelene, which was juxtaposed with an event in the OT involving Solomon annointing with oil.

Can't remember the passages at present - sorry - but I figure they may possibly be able to help with a context, as per Dondi's comments.

I don't know what connection that Mary's annointing Jesus' feet with expensive oils and spices from the alabaster jar has with Solomon, except perhaps in connection with the Queen of Sheba in I Kings 10, where she brought Solomon a long train of camels filled with spices, gold, and precious stones, and communed with Solomon all that was in her heart (parallelling perhaps the idea of Mary being taught at Jesus' feet). But it is a rather thin juxaposition, unless I'm missing something.

But I did ponder at the significance of Mary's sacrifice. If what I proposed is true, that the oil generally represent's the Holy Spirit, then perhaps what we see in Mary is a reversal. That she is symbolically pouring out her own spirit before Jesus at His feet of the opposite end of the spectrum, if you will, that is instead of the head, it is the feet. Which is probably the place we need to start in our devotion to God, in humbleness of heart, as we pour out our spirit to Him.

[Tao_Equus]

I remember seeing a painting some years ago that had Jesus and Mary of Magdala by the shore of the Sea of Galilee. In it she was drying the feet of Jesus with her hair and a jar of ungulent oils was beside them ready for use.

[Dondi]

Originally Posted by Tao

ungulent

This word is going to cost you 75 cents. I cannot even google it...

ETA: I got it now, but I don't know how you come up with using it in the quote above.

[Plato]

I think the oil is the consciousness of God. It's a reference to the level of consciousness we have attained. We are not a body with consciousness inside it. We are Gods pure consciousness formed into a body. I think the ones with low oil where materialistically minded and their perception of themselves centred around their ego (with an inability to see themselves as they are seen and act accordingly). As such they hadn't recognised who they are on the inside, they are God within, but they had not activated this pure consciousness. You could also call it the Holy Spirit however this can confuse as many today believe you have to recieve this at a point in time, rather then recognising what we have been all along.

[Dondi]

Originally Posted by Plato

I think the oil is the consciousness of God. It's a reference to the level of consciousness we have attained. We are not a body with consciousness inside it. We are Gods pure consciousness formed into a body. I think the ones with low oil where materialistically minded and their perception of themselves centred around their ego (with an inability to see themselves as they are seen and act accordingly). As such they hadn't recognised who they are on the inside, they are God within, but they had not activated this pure consciousness. You could also call it the Holy Spirit however this can confuse as many today believe you have to recieve this at a point in time, rather then recognising what we have been all along.

Welcome to the CR Forum's Plato!

But in the context of the passage, they weren't just low, they ran out, or rather they didn't have any oil to start with. Then they missed the boat while trying to scramble to find some.


ETA: I missed something. The foolish ones did initially have oil in their lamps, but not in their vessels, which I assume was used to refill the lamps. Still, they missed the boat.

[Plato]

Thankyou Dondi, nice to meet you to.

OK no oil at all. It happens all the time, we are so busy going about our business in our ego centred universe and we continually to do things (perhaps mistakes or what not) that we think make us happy because they appeal to our pleasure centre or whatever else. We forget that it is all an illusion and that we are just actors in a play. We forget who we are and what we are, If we have no oil at all, we perhaps have never been enlightened on the type of being we are underneath the body and psyche. When we strip ourselves back we are all the same, we are all God, but we need to reach that level, to know our self, there are many ways we can get there, but until we do we are unaware of the illusion. The oil is Gods nectar, the Holy spirit, the comforter, the consiousness we are in our deepest sleep, we are all different, but we are all one, it is a mystery : O )

[Tao_Equus]

Sorry Dondi, my memory and spelling are terrible as you will no doubt have gathered by now. The word I meant to use was unguent.

TE

[Dondi]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Sorry Dondi, my memory and spelling are terrible as you will no doubt have gathered by now. The word I meant to use was unguent.

TE

S'ok. That make much better sense, thank you.

[wil]

That's the rub on belief or consciousness huh?

you gotta have it in your lamp and spare in your vessel...

gotta have enough faith to make it through the night...

where you gonna go for more??

go to the store....and miss out?

so gotta have the werwithal to surpass all unknown circumstances...

in what vessel are you keeping your extra oil?

Do you have a spigot? a never ending supply?

Help me make it through the night....

Hell no, go get your own oil....

[Faithfulservant]

I agree.. the Holy Spirit. This is why I say it is..

We are anointed with the Holy Spirit when we accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior.

1John 2:27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

Acts 10:38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him

Hebrews 1:9You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, hasanointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions

[juantoo3]

That's the rub on belief or consciousness huh?

you gotta have it in your lamp and spare in your vessel...

gotta have enough faith to make it through the night...

where you gonna go for more??

go to the store....and miss out?

so gotta have the werwithal to surpass all unknown circumstances...

in what vessel are you keeping your extra oil?

Do you have a spigot? a never ending supply?

Help me make it through the night....

Hell no, go get your own oil....

Perhaps a rare moment displaying how selfishness can be a virtue?

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Perhaps a rare moment displaying how selfishness can be a virtue?

Have you seen women at the January sales? No wayz waz they gona share!!!

[wil]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

I agree.. the Holy Spirit. This is why I say it is..

Now I know I'm gonna get accused of twisting words. But if I replace Holy Spirit as you described in with the text of the story I get...

The smart virgins had already been saved by Jesus, when they headed for the bridegrooms as evidenced by full vessels of Holy Spirit?

and the foolish versions were not yet saved...as they had enough holy spirit to keep their lamps burning till midnight but not enough to keep them burning after midnight (there is suddenly a turning into pumkins aspect here as well)

and if you have the holy spirit in you, it is common to tell others to head off to the store to go get their own, as you won't share, and to lock the doors behind you...

and if you go get the holy spirit and then come a knocking the bridegroom will say..."I don't know you, go away"



ps...I've played the same with faith and consiousness and belief...and am still contemplating how to handle this oil...

[wil]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Perhaps a rare moment displaying how selfishness can be a virtue?

hmmm while I don't see where selfish is a virtue in my thoughts....perhaps you can clue me in...

but I do think it is a virtue....and wrote about it onced, and even again..