www.comparative-religion.com
 
Comparative religion: 

world religions
 

Go Back   Interfaith forums > Religion, Faith, and Theology > Abrahamic Religions > Judaism
Register Code of Conduct Members List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Judaism Judaism and the Jewish faith: issues and dicussions

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 08-14-2005, 06:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
Salim Syed
Islamic Perspective
 
Salim Syed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: UK Slough
Posts: 45
The name of God In Judaism

Peace be upon you,

In Islam the name of God is 'Allah' (Arabic). What do Jews call God in Hebrew ? I was told Prophet Moses (peace be upon him) spoke Hebrew and God in Hebrew is Eloha. Is this correct ?

I know some Christians call God Jehova but I was told there is no letter in Hebrew that represent the sound of 'J'. So Prophet Moses (peace be upon him) could not have called God Jehova.

I was also told that Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) spoke Aramiac (a dialect of Arabic) , and God in Aramiac is Alaha.

All three languages are semitic and share a common root, which to me makes sense as the name of God in the three semitic religions would be Allah, Alaha and Eloha (very close in sound).

Thanks for your prompt reply
Salim Syed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2005, 08:27 PM   #2 (permalink)
capthowdy
foresaken
 
capthowdy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 30
Re: The name of God In Judaism

If I'm not mistaken there are many names....Eloha, Elohim, Adonai, Yhvh, Yhwh.....and all these names are a part of a bigger name refered to as the Tetragrammaton...(the name of god, or the 72 letters of the tree of life).........hope that helps you..
capthowdy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2005, 08:35 PM   #3 (permalink)
mansio
General Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: France
Posts: 193
Re: The name of God In Judaism

Hello Salim Syed,

Jews have several names for God : Yhwh, Elohim, Eloah, the latter being seldom used (it may be a singular of Elohim but I'm not sure).

As to the comparison of Hebrew Elohim, Aramaic Elaha and Arabic Allah, one thing mustn't be overlooked : the Arabic word Allah is the contraction of al-Ilah. Linguistically speaking, only the form Ilah, or its remnant -Lah, can be compared with the others.
The endings -ohim, -aha or -ah are suffixes. The common root of the names for God (except Yhwh) is 'L which is usually pronounced El.

So El or Elah or Alah (not Allah) could be the common name for God in the three languages.
mansio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2005, 08:59 PM   #4 (permalink)
Salim Syed
Islamic Perspective
 
Salim Syed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: UK Slough
Posts: 45
Re: The name of God In Judaism

Thanks for that,

The Arabic word 'Allah' is made up of 'Al' + 'Ilah' where Ilah = God/Diety and Al=the definate form.

When joined in the Arabic language this becomes 'Allah'.

(I think this is correct).

I was more curious to know what Prophet Moses (peace be upon him) called God in Hebrew.

Thanks
Salim Syed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2005, 09:10 PM   #5 (permalink)
Salim Syed
Islamic Perspective
 
Salim Syed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: UK Slough
Posts: 45
Re: The name of God In Judaism

How is YHWH pronounced ? Are this the root alphabets without vowels ? What do the Jews who speak Hebrew today call God ?

Thanks
Salim Syed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2005, 09:13 PM   #6 (permalink)
Salim Syed
Islamic Perspective
 
Salim Syed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: UK Slough
Posts: 45
Re: The name of God In Judaism

Quote:
Originally Posted by capthowdy
If I'm not mistaken there are many names....Eloha, Elohim, Adonai, Yhvh, Yhwh.....and all these names are a part of a bigger name refered to as the Tetragrammaton...(the name of god, or the 72 letters of the tree of life).........hope that helps you..
Thanks

I think Tetragrammaton is just a big word for a 'four letter word'. Hebrew like Aramaic and Arabic consists of root letters and this YHWH must be root letters I think.
Salim Syed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2005, 09:42 PM   #7 (permalink)
pohaikawahine
Elder Member
 
pohaikawahine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 581
Re: The name of God In Judaism

interesting .... the hawaiian word for love is 'aloha' which sounds a like like 'eloha' and its inner meaning is connected with a more spiritual meaning .... literally it is an exchange of breath .... but I was reading this sweet little story "It is the Silence Between the Notes that makes the Music" in a book called "Jacob the Baker ... Gentle Wisdom for a Complicated World" by Noah ben Shea


"One evening, in the late quiet of the bakery, Jacob stood next to a stack of bread boards freshly powdered with dry cornmeal. He touched his right forefinger to his lips and then with the same finger began drawing a repetitive image in the cornmeal.

Jacob was drawing the Hebrew letter alef, the silent, first letter in the alphabet.

His finger moved absently, stroking the downward open line at the backbone of the sacred form.

He drew row upon row, transforming the blank bread board into a Hebraic mandala, a staircase for his soul.

Focusing on the pattern opened what was closed, and the absent sound of the silent alef beckoned him, drew him in.

Then, without warning, the lights went on in the other end of the bakery. It was Samuel, and he was startled to find someone still there.

"Is that you Jacob? Are you all right?" There was real concern in Samuel's voice.

Samuel's focus caught o the design Jacob had marked in the cornmeal. Samuel was perplexed.

"Jacob, why do you draw this letter alef over and over again?"

"Because," said Jacob, "it is the silence between the notes that makes the music; it is the space between the bars that holds the tiger."

(the story continues and ends with ..."

When the silence was renewed, Jacob swept his hand across the bread boards, like a tide's wash, erasing the patterns in the corn-meal."

Perhaps the name is not to be spoken, it is found in the silence between the notes and the space between the bars. This is the place we seek in meditation or deep prayer .... just my thoughts to share... he hawai'i au, pohaikawahine
pohaikawahine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2005, 10:49 PM   #8 (permalink)
capthowdy
foresaken
 
capthowdy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 30
Re: The name of God In Judaism

Quote:
Originally Posted by Salim Syed
How is YHWH pronounced ? Are this the root alphabets without vowels ? What do the Jews who speak Hebrew today call God ?

Thanks

Yahweh, which roughly translates to "creator of man"

And I'm not entirely sure what the Jews today call god, I only studied the Kabbalah
capthowdy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2005, 10:51 PM   #9 (permalink)
capthowdy
foresaken
 
capthowdy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 30
Re: The name of God In Judaism

Quote:
Originally Posted by Salim Syed
Thanks

I think Tetragrammaton is just a big word for a 'four letter word'. Hebrew like Aramaic and Arabic consists of root letters and this YHWH must be root letters I think.

YHWH and YHVH, are just two of the four words that make up the tetragrammaton
capthowdy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2005, 08:22 AM   #10 (permalink)
Faustus
Jew In Progress
 
Faustus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Hyogo-ken, Japan
Posts: 48
Re: The name of God In Judaism

Don't know if anyone's mentioned it, but the one I hear most often is "Hashem," which just means "the Name." Because according to traditional Jewish law (halacha), you're not supposed to use the "official" name of God in contexts other than prayer, a lot of people use it as a sort of nickname, for lack of a better word. It gets inserted for the tetragrammaton in situations like children practicing their prayers (you're not supposed make a bracha- say a blessing- extraneously, or without reason, but if you don't use the "real" name of God, it doesn't count), non-Jews who are converting practicing prayers and so on. The circles I move in tend to be Chabad and other Orthodox groups, so they adhere more to these kinds of rules than, say, Reform might. Which isn't a bash on Reform at all (I'd say my own observance is Reform/Conservative), but the different denominations have different ways of doing things.

The idea of not taking God's name in vain or using it unnecessarily is why you sometimes get people writing "God" as "G-d." A piece of paper with God's name on it (or any religious writings) immediately becomes holy and has to be disposed of in a certain way- rabbinic opinions are divided about how this works on a computer and whether it applies to non-Hebrew writing, though. You can probably find more on this if you googled "genizah."

Jeez, long post. Hope some of that was useful.
Faustus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2005, 11:11 AM   #11 (permalink)
mansio
General Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: France
Posts: 193
Re: The name of God In Judaism

I agree with Faustus as of the modern ways of saying God in Judaism.

The pronunciation of the word Yhwh is a problem for scholars. Because of a taboo it got lost. For reading aloud the name was replaced by an equivalent like Elohim. To remind of that the vowels of Elohim were put under Yhwh.

In the Middle Ages Christians mistakenly thought Yhwh had to be pronounced with the vowels of Elohim.
That's the origin of the wrong spelling Jehovah. At that time the Latin script used J and V instead of modern Y and W.
Modern scholars think the best pronunciation is Yahweh.
Of course Jews aren't concerned because they don't pronounce it at all.
mansio is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Islam's view about the Trinity dailogue is the best Comparative Studies 16 12-04-2005 01:55 PM
beliefs of a Liberal Quaker searching Belief and Spirituality 2 07-04-2005 04:54 AM
Are the Ten Commandment important? Does God really want us to keep them? ambassador Christianity 28 05-26-2005 08:28 AM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 02:31 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.0.0 ©2007, Crawlability, Inc.