The Multi-verse Theory

[Rouge47]

I love this theory and strongly believe in it. And what better way to share my belief than posting here? I'm pretty sure this may have been on this board before at some point, but I didn't do a good look-through. Oh well, I guess I'll just revive it then if has been brought up.

When the universe was created (wether it be by God, Big Bang, or whatever else) it explanded into a sphere (quantum theory). But it was not a perfect sphere. Tiny indentions in the space-time continuum appeared and became quantum foams (fancy word for wormholes, or black holes) these worm holes led into parallel universes and created a way o tavel back and forth from them. They became a jump across hyperspace. These other universes held different realities and timelines. Like in ours it is the year of 2006 while in another it is the year of 1492, "when Columbus sailed the ocean blue." In ours, Hitler lost World War II. While in another he won it (scary thought).

There are an infinite number of universes, which means an infinite number of possibilities. There are even universes that exist in another deminsion. I believe that are two deminsions. The one we are in is called the Light deminsion because we are in it and we have explored some of it. The other is called the Dark deminsion. It is called Dark because it is like the "fog of war" shroud that covers terrain in the games of "Age of Empires" and "Command and Conquer," in other words, it's unexplored and questionable. It is also the deminsion in which most evil exists and originates from. Sometimes quantum foams will switch and create a inter-deminsional rift, thus leading to the opposite deminsion.

What thoughts do you have on this crazy subject? Anything you wish to add? Perhaps there is something I have left out (obviously many details, but you get the point)?

-Paul

[flowperson]

Thanks for this thread Paul James. You should try to find a copy of an older science fiction book by Frank P. Hogan titled The Prometheus Operation. It is based upon a theory that WWII was really a result of manipulations of time and travels through time by both the allies and the axis powers. My favorite books of this genre are by Jack Finney. I believe that the titles are Time and Again, and Time After Time. I also loved the TV series Quantum Leap, IMHO more true than untrue in its content.

Since it has been proven for many years that time and space are a single entity, travel throughout one cannot be accomplished without there being an effect upon the other. Newton and Einstein are the major contributers to these notions. Thanks again !

flow....

[Rouge47]

Your welcome, flowperson!

And I have some things from Einstien pertaining to this topic. The multi-verse is something that is very fragile. Unfortunatly we cannot find a way to create or reach a quatum foam. Otherwise I'd have a blast traveling the universes. It would bring a whole new meaning to the word 'vacation.'

I haven't read any of those stories you mentioned. I will, however, try to find them at bookstore. Thanks.

[jiii]

I have thought a good deal about this, but thus far, I have a pretty hard to swallowing it as truth. The 'multi-verse' idea is a hypothesis, at best...at that, one that cannot be tested, really.

When I looked into the concept of 'multiverses', I began wondering exactly what scientists think they are talking about. For instance, do they actually believe that at the outer bounds of our Universe there is another one? Hey, a theory is a theory, but I can't get by the notion that the 'multiverse' may be more of a 'virtual' entity, and that there is no physical difference between the multiverse and the universe. That, of course, is my crude overlay of philosophy on top of mathematics, which I'm sure would drive a physicist mad. Maybe I'm out of my league here...but we haven't really even confirmed that the Universe has an 'edge' in the first place. How can we say with any kind of certainty that, not only does it have an edge, but there are more Universes that lay beyond? I just don't know about that.

It seems as if astrophysicists have come to that same unexplainable open end as atomic physicists. We wanted to find the most fundamental particle in the Universe (which is, in some ways, synonymous with the quest to determine a 'Theory of Everything', which the concept of 'multiverses' seeks to explain), so we looked deeper...then we looked deeper...and deeper...until we found that when you start getting down to the those fundamental particles, you begin to find that there is no objective answer, really. The higher our resolution gets, the more we find that the line between particle and energy gets all too blurry. The strange particles you begin to find seem to defy traditional ideas about what matter is in the first place (two boson particles, for instance, can occupy the same space at the same time ).

I guess, my critique of the multiverse theory is that it cleverly diverts us from answers by making a broad assumption about things that cannot be tested. The same thing occurs when scientists trying to explain how life began on Earth fall to the idea that "aliens planted us here" or "we came from Mars". All they are doing is coming up with a fantastic story which moves the problem from a place we can study to a place we can't...that's not really saying much, at all, but merely evades the question by supplying an outlandish answer. In the same way, we try to formulate a "Theory of Everything"...a theory that perfectly describes everything and anything in the Universe...and what do we come up with? The idea that that theory must rely on Universes that aren't within the Universe...isn't that just a leak in our Theory of Everything?

All in all, the 'multiverse' theory is certainly fascinating...I just question the value, really. What does it actually tell us about our Universe? Not much. If anything, its value is in finding some vaguely believable way to describe the much older notion that there are things in this Universe which just never seem to make sense without a little imagination.

-jiii

[Rouge47]

Excellent thoughts, I must say.

Here is something that some don't actually know. You may know though.

A black hole is either a planet, a star, or some fat piece of matter that has so much mass it encaves in its self. It sinks to the 'bottom' of space and attracks anything (even light) to its now empty core. But where does all of this go? It has to go somewhere. When an object nears a black hole it is spagettefied (or however you spell it), or stretched and sucked into it. This happens with worm holes too, as well as space-time rifts. Therefore, it is evident to confirm that black hole works like a worm hole or a rift, leading to another location, or possbly other time. Therefore, I believe that there is an edge to space or our universe, and that there is something else beyond that edge; otherwise, it wouldn't be edge, and there would be no black holes.

Good thoughts.

[flowperson]

jiii:

I agree that the interlocking and layered layers of realities that we're dealing with in such subject matter usually overwhelms the intellectual capabilities of ordinary people like you and me. I have found the best contemporary explanation of it all to be a book by Lisa Randall, a Harvard professor of Physics, (and who looks like Jodie Foster's twin ) who recently authored a book titled, Warped Passages. It's written in lay language with very little formulaic math and lots of illustrative diagrams. I've found it to be the most comprehensive explanation of the "bigger picture" that I've been able to mentally digest in recent years.

Paul James:
Fairly recent research by astronomers and physicists have shown that most galaxies probably have black holes at their centers. Visual and radio astronomical observations have also shown that there are jets of high energy plasma shooting out from the regions of black holes. They might be viewed as a sort of recycling mechanism in G-d's engines of Creation. They suck in the older stuff, and shoot out new matter to utilize as building materials for new physical systems.

flow....

[Quahom1]

deja-vu...was it my mind re-processing something I've seen before (like instantly), and telling me that it is something I've seen without seeing it, before? In otherwords, is the concept such that our mind creates a false memory within an instant of experiencing an event?

I doubt it. So, what is left? Ancestral memory (possible, but nah), farsight? (possible), or through the eyes of another, only not a dis-similar other?

Hey! It could work!...

F.M. Busby "All These Earths"

[Rouge47]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

deja-vu...was it my mind re-processing something I've seen before (like instantly), and telling me that it is something I've seen without seeing it, before? In otherwords, is the concept such that our mind creates a false memory within an instant of experiencing an event?

I doubt it. So, what is left? Ancestral memory (possible, but nah), farsight? (possible), or through the eyes of another, only not a dis-similar other?

Hey! It could work!...

F.M. Busby "All These Earths"

I never would of thought that deja-vu could be linked to this. Interesting. It actually could be possible. An interlinking, psychological annomoly between two or more identical subjects and their brain wave patterns. The link could transfer short-term memory from the subect in the near future to the thoughts of the subject in the present/past (depending on where your at.)

[dauer]

I remember in my younger days (I'm only 22, but bear with me) ahem... In my younger days, I would read through many an old DC Comic and on a few cold winter nights I've warmed myself up by the glow of my laptop's monitor, just to read and rehash the incredibly crazy world that once was DC Comics, pre-crisis. If you have no clue what I'm talking about, but just love all this multiverse stuff (and its application in science fiction/fantasy/alternative timelines) then this link might explain a few things:

http://www.io.com/~woodward/chroma/atlas.html

Crazy.

I love thinking about this sort of stuff, good for a mind... there has to be another word for that that's more appropriate... although I try to stay away from even current cosmologies in shaping my understanding of reality.

Dauer

[flowperson]

Originally Posted by Paul James

I never would of thought that deja-vu could be linked to this. Interesting. It actually could be possible. An interlinking, psychological annomoly between two or more identical subjects and their brain wave patterns. The link could transfer short-term memory from the subect in the near future to the thoughts of the subject in the present/past (depending on where your at.)

Twin research has shown that this sort of thing happens quite often with identical twins. It is also more prominent in couples who have been together and in a loving relationship for many years. Since our brains operate electrochemically, synchronous activities are possible under certain conditions. Research shows that genetic similarities and loving relationships increase the odds of these ocurrences.

flow....

[wil]

to me the multiverse is easier to grasp than this reality by itself.

explains a lot of phenomena...

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by wil

to me the multiverse is easier to grasp than this reality by itself.

explains a lot of phenomena...

Could that be that because somewhere, somehow we are different than we are now? And that is a comforting thought?...

[arthra]

I read some of Michael Moorcock's books about the multi-verse and enjoyed them. The idea of parallel universes also interests me.

- Art

[wil]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Could that be that because somewhere, somehow we are different than we are now? And that is a comforting thought?...

I don't think it is comforting...seems many religions are in the comfort business...hereafter, heaven, redemption, resurection...

I'm speaking of deja vu, precognition, ESP, telepathy, UFOs, aparitions.....multiverse concepts conveniently fill a lot of 'supernatural' gaps

[Marietta]

Hello, My two cents on this subject.
We live in a 15 dimensional Time Matrix (a hologram). Time and space in reality do not exist. Past present and future are all happening at one time in one single spot. A dimension is a frequency band and the dimensions are grouped together in sets of three (string theroy) called Harmonic Universes. We live in the first Harmonic Universe made up of Dimensions 1, 2 and 3. Each dimension is seperated by a 90 degree shift in angular rotation of particle spin and each Harmonic Universe is seperated by a reverse 45 degree shift in angular rotation of particle spin. The easiest way to understand this is to think about a radio and all of the stations. They all exist within one radio but you can't hear them unless you tune into the proper frequency.
All that exists is energy and energy is conscious, Consciousness creates different reality fields in which to experience its thoughts.
Midge