the islamic god, and the christian God are not the same, what do you think?

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by clearamericanboy

what about it, you leave me on have you read the qu'ran? what does it say that proves what anything i said was wrong........ i have spoke with muslems about the subject and they dont say that they are heirs to the throne, they say they are his subjects kinda like slaves, but as a christian i am a child of God, and what i do for him is as what i would do for my worldly father, I have a personal relationship with God, I talk to him in prayor often thrue everyday life, and he guids me everywhare i go, and my muslem freinds i kno. are like what are you talking about? relaitonships?, soo my point exactly

lol, speak your mind clear.

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Joshua

[clearamericanboy]

I do what I do for God because I want to do what i do for God, not because i have too,

[clearamericanboy]

Originally Posted by wil

me thinks it actually says Jesus prays that G-d does not lead us into temptation....at least most translations are that way..

Jesus is God in a human form, like i said he was 100% man and 100% God, as in physicly he was fully man, and spiritualy and mentaly 100% God, soo if he prays that God dosent lead us into tempation then God wont lead us into temptation, the devil is the one who leads people to temptation and God is simply lets you choose, and is there for you when you do fall into temptaion,

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by clearamericanboy

I do what I do for God because I want to do what i do for God, not because i have too,

Let me rephrase...not wise to get off on the wrong foot. We do not proselytise here. We discuss. As long as you talk the way you mentioned above...all is great. That is what you believe, and we (CR) appreciate your belief. Once again, welcome.

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Joshua

[clearamericanboy]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

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Let me rephrase...not wise to get off on the wrong foot. We do not proselytise here. We discuss. As long as you talk the way you mentioned above...all is great. That is what you believe, and we (CR) appreciate your belief. Once again, welcome.

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Joshua

arguing, conversating, debating, all is disscussion, am I wrong? if thats whare you were goin at?

exchanging of words is all disscussing,

seems like you wer just getting allittle annoyd at what i was saying i guess

[clearamericanboy]

its not like I am trying to make anyone convert, but I am Just speaking my belives and pointing out how Christianity is the truth,.............. but i am willing to step on some toes, metaphoricly speaking

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by clearamericanboy

arguing, conversating, debating, all is disscussion, am I wrong? if thats whare you were goin at?

exchanging of words is all disscussing,

seems like you wer just getting allittle annoyd at what i was saying i guess

Clearamericanboy...are you challenging me? I said what I said because that is the CR Code of Conduct. Plain and simple. Let Me introduce myself. I am Q, your local moderator. I would not ken that we should get off on the wrong foot. Not my intent. We simply need to consider others who have varied opinions on faith. Considering the fact that this thread is in the comparitive studies area, that in and of itself means it is open to debate, and not subject to personal guffas. (personal attacks). I hope you will find this place both enlightening and fun, and educational.

Once again, welcome to CR.

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Joshua

[clearamericanboy]

i wasent challenging you, but still ... ok whatever nevermind i'll leave it alone, o and thanks for the welcome, ......... but i think there should be a thread for challenging belifes,... just throwing that out there, unless i might have just over looked it, I didn't see one,
cheers,

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by clearamericanboy

i wasent challenging you, but still ... ok whatever nevermind i'll leave it alone, o and thanks for the welcome, ......... but i think there should be a thread for challenging belifes,... just throwing that out there, unless i might have just over looked it, I didn't see one,
cheers,

Hmmm, not here at CR. Challenging beliefs is akin to smacking someone in the face.

Best bet is to start a thread with "I opine that..." In otherwords, no challenges. We discuss. We do not attempt to convert, nor show how another religion or faith is wrong (not supposed to anyway). Else how would we discover what others believe?

Once again, welcome.

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Joshua

[clearamericanboy]

true ture, but if we don't press our own faith, and compare to others how they may be wrong, we are not upholding the value of our religion in the sense that your suposed to gain followers, and i understand that, this is a place just for refference discussions but, im just soo used to speaking out and picking out little things in every day discussions, and im sorry about that, ill try to hold my tounge, when it comes to certain things like that,......

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by clearamericanboy

true ture, but if we don't press our own faith, and compare to others how they may be wrong, we are not upholding the value of our religion in the sense that your suposed to gain followers, and i understand that, this is a place just for refference discussions but, im just soo used to speaking out and picking out little things in every day discussions, and im sorry about that, ill try to hold my tounge, when it comes to certain things like that,......

This place (CR) is not a place for one faith to show other faiths their errors.

This place is for all to discover the thinking of others world wide.

It is also a place for all to contribute for others to learn.

So, you teach what you know, and others teach what they know...pretty soon, we all know alot about everyone...

[bananabrain]

Originally Posted by wil

my son calls me dad, my mom calls me son, my sister- brother, my niece- uncle, my friend- friend. They all see me different, have differing relationships, have different perspectives, have different knowledge of what I can and do do....but it is all me.

this is precisely my point. and as far as the elephant is concerned, that is another good way of understanding it - in fact i'll share with you some lyrics on the subject by one of my rabbis and teachers:

"as i wander after the elephant
people tell me where he's been
but i never can discover
if he's the same elephant that i mean"

Originally Posted by clearamericanboy

so if my G!D is the same G!D as the Jews and the Muslems, then how come they have different ways of going to heaven?

well, let's remember that you only think that because that's what you've been taught, right? you don't actually *know*, because you're not dead - you just *believe* it - which makes it, essentially, a case of "sez you." the way i understand it, heaven is not a limited concept (unless you're a j.w.) the fact that christians and muslims (and as far as i'm concerned the bug-eating pygmies of the new guinean rain-forest) can get in doesn't mean there's no space in there for me. but then again my religion maintains that "the righteous among the nations have a share in the World-to-Come" - but are remarkably vague about what precisely that means. we're far more concerned about how people act when they're alive, not how they perceive the universe within the confines of their hearts and minds, which is a philosophical impasse known as the "privacy of experience".

"because as a christian i know that ways of the other religions do not agree with my G!D's plan"

that is only a problem if you believe that there is only one right way. however, i think you will have an insoluble problem proving exclusivity if, as a christian, you believe the "old testament" - consider numbers 23:19:

G!D Is not a human that lies, nor a son of man, that repents;
has anything G!D Said not been done?
or has God Spoken and not fulfilled?

what this verse is saying is that the Divine Plan is by its nature Ineffable regardless of what we may think we understand via the Texts we have received. so neither you nor i can know it, let alone know whether a given religion agrees with it or not - all we can do is believe.

i feel [the jews] might have been, .... led astray by their own ways, but i may be wrong, i really only have a minimal amout of information about Jews

well, then surely it is best to talk to one or two before you jump to conclusions. here is one for a start - please feel free to come over to the judaism board and discuss it, if you feel i have been "led astray" by my own way.

G!D would be leading you to temptation wich is something that he does not do, which is stated in the bible

i think that rather depends on how you view sex. from our point of view it can sometimes be a "temptation" but in other circumstances it is one of the holiest ways to encounter the Divine. it really depends on whether you are allowed to have it off with the person involved and, if something is permitted in heaven, i can't see how that can be overruled, although we established some time ago (based on deuteronomy 30:10) that human interpretation can overrule in certain circumstances in this world. besides, G!D may not "lead us to temptation", but it still gets done - it's just been outsourced to the relevant department.

I am Just speaking my beliefs and pointing out how Christianity is the truth,.............. but i am willing to step on some toes, metaphorically speaking

then you won't mind if people tell you that before you start down this road, you should actually understand what other religions actually say and do - and posting in clear, grammatically correct, spellchecked english will help you greatly.

b'shalom

bananabrain

[Dondi]

Originally Posted by Prober

Here I agree. It is possible to worship any god, even one that does not exist. However, there actually exists only one G-d.

I'm with ya on this.

But how do we even know that there is only one God? Because three monotheistic religions say so? Are the polytheists in for a rude awakening?

[Prober]

Originally Posted by Dondi

I'm with ya on this.

But how do we even know that there is only one God? Because three monotheistic religions say so? Are the polytheists in for a rude awakening?

I don't know - I believe...It's a faith thing.

Other things I don't know - That the sun will come up tomorrow. (Bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow, there'll be sun...)

[bananabrain]

But how do we even know that there is only one G!D? Because three monotheistic religions say so? Are the polytheists in for a rude awakening?

i doubt it - after all, the more sophisticated polytheists get, the closer they tend to get to the idea that gods are part of a sort of "god-field" - in other words, the Force they know as one aspect of the Divine is simply that, a Force that they encounter differently, but similarly through other encounters with the Divine in other settings.

as for me, i know it because i have the Torah, which is a tangible thing - and i cannot account for what i find in it by any other means; if that is G!D Speaking to us over history, then we can identify the Speaker by the message.

b'shalom

bananabrain