‘the golden rule’ ~ of everything; duality does not exist!

[Tao_Equus]

Light/Dark, Hot/Cold, Wet/Dry, Rough/Smooth, Life/Death, Work/Taxes, Love/Loss, Particle/Antiparticle... and how many more? Where but where is there no duality?

[_Z_]

ciel

If it’s possible to tune into it, it must exist and it does.
Yet in terrestial reality it does and it doesn’t.
Yet Earth is part of the universe. So............
It can only be an added G-d dimension.

yes [ i think i see where ya comin from], the god dimension, hmm perhaps for now it is better to define our terms more i.e. to consciousness, mind or infinity etc. whatever ‘dimensions’ we add they must also be part of the whole...
the way i am seeing it at the moment, is that all exists in a perceivable reality ~ we just don’t see it all yet [and some less still than others].

tao, thought this one would be right up your street?

Light/Dark, Hot/Cold, Wet/Dry, Rough/Smooth, Life/Death, Work/Taxes, Love/Loss, Particle/Antiparticle... and how many more? Where but where is there no duality?

grey, warm, moist, course [less rough lols], change, to give is to receive [or somin like that], all-love, neutral [goes for all polarities].

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Lol...you gave up on me...but you aint stopped.

I will not ask you questions, but I am not the one who gave up.

People fall in a pit over the very first word in the Golden Rule: DO.
I find that until I DO, I am full of illusion and maybe fooling myself. Upon some of the DO, a relationship with God was further revealed and strengthened. It is important to DO the DO. If someone else can get away without the DO, it won't be for long. If someone finds bliss by keeping their plate or their cup empty, it won't be for long. If someone finds they can DO without their mind, their heart, or their soul, then it won't be for long. There is so much to DO. There is no shortage of opportunity with DO. It is not DONE.

Getting past that comes the issue of what to DO and why to DO and when to DO and how to DO and where to DO and for who to DO.

I first review a couple of tools: there is a word in a sword, but there is no sword in a word. There is a tone in a stone, but there is no stone in a tone. The words and tones are per the will of an author. The swords and stones are per the will of an Arthur. So I will to be an author, and will not to be the Arthur. But there is still the issue of unsolicited, per the will of another or not. Words and tones are per the will of the beholder. Swords and stones are against the will of the beheaded. If there is any doubt of that then I offer proof by handing over the remote. Like a gift any food for thought is easily declined.

Words reveal, but I know they do not remove planks. Words may or may not help people to remove their own planks. Back to the top, to remove some planks I discovered that rule... it requires the DO. My words are: Don't miss out on the DO (heart, mind, and soul) in the golden rule. More than Gold, really. So you say that I have given up Tao... nonsense, I've barely begun. There is just so much to DO.

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a clever post cyberpi ~ nice wordplay!

If someone finds bliss by keeping their plate or their cup empty, it won’t be for long.

if the urge to do is gone the cup is itself only i.e. empty, doing after a small elapse of an eternity would become most tiresome. if the heart is expanded into infinity [found] all is fully resolved and it yearns no more, if so to the mind it has no need to conceive not perceive as all is found and all is seen.

[wil]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

No I'm drawing from many other posts and threads with that question. You have indicated that you are pro-Republic, pro-representative government because people for whatever reasons need to be governed, or ruled over... the chosen laws of government enforced on the people. Correct? Is that not the very arrogance you described?

Regarding daughter: Does the golden rule not apply?.... I value that judgmentalism... I am pro-thought and pro-speech... unsolicited... free.

In reverse order. You may be pro thought, pro speech, but seem to get excited when someone has another thought which is contrary to yours.

And no that Golden Rule does not apply to my son or daughter, at the age they are at I determine what is best for them, in my opinion. They'll not be going out at any hours, with any friends, wearing, doing whatever they want. They or you may not like it, but it doens't matter, I spend the gold, I make the rules.

And yes, I was lucky enough to be born into this representative democracy we call a republic. I can leave if I don't like it, I can protest, I can run for office, I can petition to change laws. I don't like how we are involved in others affairs or our arrogance, but I'll be here until I finish being a dictator over my kids lives and they move on. (won't be long a few more years, I get to go on, and they get to make their own mistakes)

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Light/Dark, Hot/Cold, Wet/Dry, Rough/Smooth, Life/Death, Work/Taxes, Love/Loss, Particle/Antiparticle... and how many more? Where but where is there no duality?

Are those all opposites or varying degrees on a scale of some sort of existence. Are they all from our perspective living in a sensory world? Could you imagine a perspective where they were without duality?

[China Cat Sunflower]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

I will not ask you questions, but I am not the one who gave up.

People fall in a pit over the very first word in the Golden Rule: DO.
I find that until I DO, I am full of illusion and maybe fooling myself. Upon some of the DO, a relationship with God was further revealed and strengthened. It is important to DO the DO. If someone else can get away without the DO, it won't be for long. If someone finds bliss by keeping their plate or their cup empty, it won't be for long. If someone finds they can DO without their mind, their heart, or their soul, then it won't be for long. There is so much to DO. There is no shortage of opportunity with DO. It is not DONE.

Getting past that comes the issue of what to DO and why to DO and when to DO and how to DO and where to DO and for who to DO.

I first review a couple of tools: there is a word in a sword, but there is no sword in a word. There is a tone in a stone, but there is no stone in a tone. The words and tones are per the will of an author. The swords and stones are per the will of an Arthur. So I will to be an author, and will not to be the Arthur. But there is still the issue of unsolicited, per the will of another or not. Words and tones are per the will of the beholder. Swords and stones are against the will of the beheaded. If there is any doubt of that then I offer proof by handing over the remote. Like a gift any food for thought is easily declined.

Words reveal, but I know they do not remove planks. Words may or may not help people to remove their own planks. Back to the top, to remove some planks I discovered that rule... it requires the DO. My words are: Don't miss out on the DO (heart, mind, and soul) in the golden rule. More than Gold, really. So you say that I have given up Tao... nonsense, I've barely begun. There is just so much to DO.

OK, that's the most prescient thing I've ever read here. Seriously. That's absolutely superlative.

Chris

[China Cat Sunflower]

These things have everything to do with doing:

Wisdom

1. Right view
2. Right intention

Ethical conduct

3. Right speech
4. Right action
5. Right livelihood

Mental discipline

6. Right effort
7. Right mindfulness
8. Right concentration

Chris

[Gatekeeper]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Light/Dark, Hot/Cold, Wet/Dry, Rough/Smooth, Life/Death, Work/Taxes, Love/Loss, Particle/Antiparticle... and how many more? Where but where is there no duality?

Where exactly does light end, and dark begin? Same with hot/cold - rough/smooth, etc ... If they were really seperate, then we could identify the seperation, but they are not seperate, they are one and the same substance. They are just opposite ends of the same thing. I think perhaps that they vary only in degree of 'vibration' ...

I think duality is an illusion; there are opposite poles, but the poles are of the same substance. My question is, is there an [absence of] in any of these opposing poles? Like a negative existence of some sort?

James

[juantoo3]

Originally Posted by Gatekeeper

Where exactly does light end, and dark begin? Same with hot/cold -
is there an [absence of] in any of these opposing poles? Like a negative existence of some sort?

Ummm, I realize my physics is really lacking...but by my understanding (to be corrected by someone who knows better):

There is no cold, only lack of heat. There is no dark, only lack of light.

How exactly this applies to the ongoing discussion I am not certain.

[Gatekeeper]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Ummm, I realize my physics is really lacking...but by my understanding (to be corrected by someone who knows better):

There is no cold, only lack of heat. There is no dark, only lack of light.

How exactly this applies to the ongoing discussion I am not certain.

I would say that if you are correct, it applies in that there is no such thing as a duel existance of light/dark, or hot/cold, etc ... Darkness is merely an absence of light, but darkness is not a substance in and of itslef, just a negative end of the light spectrum.

Err, it makes sense to me, lol.

James

[China Cat Sunflower]

Originally Posted by Gatekeeper

Where exactly does light end, and dark begin? Same with hot/cold - rough/smooth, etc ... If they were really seperate, then we could identify the seperation, but they are not seperate, they are one and the same substance. They are just opposite ends of the same thing. I think perhaps that they vary only in degree of 'vibration' ...

I think duality is an illusion; there are opposite poles, but the poles are of the same substance. My question is, is there an [absence of] in any of these opposing poles? Like a negative existence of some sort?

James

If duality is an illusion, then at some point in the gray scale darkness starts to turn back into light. Just a thought.

Chris

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

These things have everything to do with doing:

Sure, but some of my point is kind of the opposite, that the notion of what is right is not seen until doing and realizing. For example your child learning to ride a bike: whatever works, whatever is right, whatever is good in it is not fully seen until later. There is no way to know the experience except to do. The plank that prevents the learning or seeing would be whatever prevents the doing. But, having already learned or deemed it good... sure, doing is still doing.

Originally Posted by juantoo3

There is no cold, only lack of heat. There is no dark, only lack of light.

There is cold. For example space is NOT cold because there is very low pressure where there are no particles to thermally carry away the heat. Space is a lack of hot and a lack of cold. The few particles that do exist are often very hot. If there were particles at a lower temperature they would be called cold because they would carry away heat. Something cold is a heat sink or something with a capacity to be heated. The cold can be measured. Identically, something hot is a heat source or something with a capacity to be cooled. In space though like everywhere else there is still radiative cooling and heating, which is not really a function of space itself.

The light / dark I agree with... the true spectrum of light is the frequency or wavelength.... not the intensity.

[juantoo3]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

There is cold. For example space is NOT cold because there is very low pressure where there are no particles to thermally carry away the heat. Space is a lack of hot and a lack of cold. The few particles that do exist are often very hot. If there were particles at a lower temperature they would be called cold because they would carry away heat. Something cold is a heat sink or something with a capacity to be heated. The cold can be measured. Identically, something hot is a heat source or something with a capacity to be cooled. In space though like everywhere else there is still radiative cooling and heating, which is not really a function of space itself.

The light / dark I agree with... the true spectrum of light is the frequency or wavelength.... not the intensity.

I suspected I might have had it backward...which is why I put the caveat at the beginning. Physics is not my strong suit.

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by wil

In reverse order. You may be pro thought, pro speech, but seem to get excited when someone has another thought which is contrary to yours.

Absolutely! Does that mean I am not a genuine member of the 'ticks, tones, and words will never hurt' club? I am a student in school and find excitement in what is different. Agreement has its place, but it gets boring. Disagreement is far more exciting and informative.

Originally Posted by wil

And no that Golden Rule does not apply to my son or daughter, at the age they are at I determine what is best for them, in my opinion.

Danger, Danger, Danger wil < Robinson >.

Originally Posted by wil

They'll not be going out at any hours, with any friends, wearing, doing whatever they want. They or you may not like it, but it doens't matter, I spend the gold, I make the rules.

Yes the making of rules. One of my kids was frustrated with mother and had said, "It is not fair." So much I wished to say but in the moment I said, "Life is fair because someday you will get to be the parent." But I submit to you that children can and do make rules for their parents too. For example, the proverbial child in the toy store throwing a tantrum to get the toy has already made (or learned) the rule that if he/she will not get the toy then there will be hell to pay. Similarly a parent might be tempted to make hell for their child if he/she disobeys.

Originally Posted by wil

I don't like how we are involved in others affairs or our arrogance, but I'll be here until I finish being a dictator over my kids lives and they move on.

Appears to me ironic... maybe a duality... a dual aspected perspective. Dictatorship appears good for those you love, born under your rule... yet fortunate you say it is being born in the USA under its rule.

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

These things have everything to do with doing:

Wisdom

1. Right view
2. Right intention

Ethical conduct

3. Right speech
4. Right action
5. Right livelihood

Mental discipline

6. Right effort
7. Right mindfulness
8. Right concentration

How so 1, 2, 7 and 8?

As to the OP, perhaps there is the dual, the non-dual and the perspective that transcends.

“To seek Mind with the discriminating mind
is the greatest of all mistakes.”

- Sengcan: Trust in Mind.

s.