The Golden Rule

[juantoo3]

Thank you very much 9Harmony!

I think this thread makes a very nice addition to this place!

[9Harmony]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Thank you very much 9Harmony!

I think this thread makes a very nice addition to this place!

I agree!

[17th Angel]

Wow, awww, weren't they all lovely "Golden rules"? Yeah, they sure were... It's really nice to see that all these religions take heed to their "Golden rules..."

*ponders what majority... or ALL wars are about, and who are involved...*

Oh wait.... it's "all of the above" ... Silly me

[seattlegal]

This is a great thread!
Some more:
Ancient Egyptian:

"Do for one who may do for you, that you may cause him thus to do."
--The Tale of the Eloquent Peasant, 109 - 110 Translated by R.B. Parkinson.

Shawnee:

"Do not kill or injure your neighbor, for it is not him that you injure, you injure yourself. But do good to him, therefore add to his days of happiness as you add to your own. Do not wrong or hate your neighbor, for it is not him that you wrong, you wrong yourself. But love him, for Moneto loves him also as he loves you."

Pacific Northwest Native:

Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

This one is long, but beautiful:
Lakota Instructions for Living

Friend do it this way - that is,
whatever you do in life,
do the very best you can
with both your heart and mind.

And if you do it that way,
the Power Of The Universe
will come to your assistance,
if your heart and mind are in Unity.

When one sits in the Hoop Of The People,
one must be responsible because
All of Creation is related.
And the hurt of one is the hurt of all.
And the honor of one is the honor of all.
And whatever we do effects everything in the universe.

If you do it that way - that is,
if you truly join your heart and mind
as One - whatever you ask for,
that's the Way It's Going To Be.

passed down from White Buffalo Calf Woman

[9Harmony]

Seattlegal,

Those are wonderful!

Thanks so much for adding them

[9Harmony]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Wow, awww, weren't they all lovely "Golden rules"? Yeah, they sure were... It's really nice to see that all these religions take heed to their "Golden rules..."

*ponders what majority... or ALL wars are about, and who are involved...*

Oh wait.... it's "all of the above" ... Silly me

Hi there!

yep. if we could honestly abide by this one rule, peace would reign today. unfortunately ego's seem to get in the way.

Have a great day!

[9Harmony]

One more Ubuntu: "I am what I am because of who we all are."

[Eclectic Mystic]

~Bump~

Does anyone see a significant difference in the following phrases:

"Do onto others as you would have done to you," and
"Do onto others as they would have done onto themselves"?

[Muslimwoman]

What a fabulous OP Harmony, thank you. My printer is churning as I type and my email is winging this off to everyone in my contacts list.

Unfortunately of course, we are human and humans are idiots of the first order. So if you look at the quote from Islam it says the word brother. Now sensible people know this means EVERYONE but you will always have groups that argue this just refers to people in our gang. What a sad bunch we are. G-d must be metaphorically tearing His hair out.

Salaam

[paul]

I see a difference in the quotes.
Some seem to say don't do unto others as we would not have done unto ourselves.

Which is good, but that's just not to do evil to anyone.

But some of the quotes are, do unto others as you would have done unto yourself.
Which can be so much more.
For that can be to love others and treat them as compassionately and kindly, and want as much good and happiness for them as we would desire for ourselves.

I like the quote, 'all asmuch as you would desire mankind to do unto you, do unto them, for is the Law and the Prophets.'

I think brother and neighbour were written for a reason.

I've even heared Mother Teresa say about it's easy to give money or food to someone far away, as with giving to charity.
Sure it is compassionate, but it's not the same duty of love as living to those we meet in person, to those who are our neighbours and family, those we meet in our daily lives and live alongside, that's where I believe love is experienced at it's fullest and maybe takes more effort to truly put love into practice.

[wil]

Originally Posted by Eclectic Mystic

~Bump~

Does anyone see a significant difference in the following phrases:

"Do onto others as you would have done to you," and
"Do onto others as they would have done onto themselves"?

Sure, the easy for instance...maybe you like bacon and eggs for breakfast, or you think pigs in a blanket, sausage links rolled in pancakes covered with syrup is just the best thing going...you'd love someone to fix that for you for breakfast....but a Muslim or a Jew would not have your enthusiasm.

So when our world has its various societal and personal norms and mores and nuances....not everyone would like done unto them as you'd like done unto you.

Despite this we Americans think the world should catch up to what we view as equal rights, labor regulations, democracy etc...and we gladly do unto them and don't see the arrogance in it.

[Tao_Equus]

Great OP indeed.

This one especially I found deeply beautiful:

Pacific Northwest Native:

Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

This IMHO, is a close to the uber-reality of existence as we can ever come. In the most profound sense we are all one and all conflict is truly self harm.
Unfortunately, and contrary to my own idealism, 17th makes a very valid point. Conflict and aggression are irrefutably a required dynamic in the progression of life. The "love in" utopia, (how we paint our heavens), would be a static place, devoid of risk it would be interminably boring and mundane, unchanging. I do not think the human intellect could ever find happiness in such an environment.
2500 years ago the ancient Greeks founded the Olympic games in large part to allow expression of this dynamic in man to compete and prove oneself against another without loss of life. We cannot hope to remove this fundamental drive but in the Olympics we have a first class example and model for just how we should go about ridding the world of the mass murder we call wars.

Tao

[_Z_]

tao, hi

i agree about sports.

ideally philosophy would not have any conflict in its final vision, that is to say that the duality which is there is the device to find the non duality at its centre and end [i.e. when the thought train is fully followed through].

17th makes a very valid point. Conflict and aggression are irrefutably a required dynamic in the progression of life.

is it though? does change have to be destructive or can it simply flow like numbers and patterns. most of our lives are filled with change that is not aggressive and entirely conflicting, it is only these things that can make it unbearable. in simple terms; do we have to have a bad thing to create a good thing?

The "love in" utopia, (how we paint our heavens), would be a static place, devoid of risk it would be interminably boring and mundane, unchanging. I do not think the human intellect could ever find happiness in such an environment.

in a state of oneness the soul would not be divided into its emotions and senses, thus you would not arrive in a state of feeling bored etc. the ‘human’ intellect would not exist. however for some kind of ‘heaven’ well, make love not war man .

[Ciel]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

The "love in" utopia, (how we paint our heavens), would be a static place, devoid of risk it would be interminably boring and mundane, unchanging. I do not think the human intellect could ever find happiness in such an environment.

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Tao,

And again...............

Love and peace as one, at one, are the foundation stones of creation.
And we have the choice in this great utopia, to sit and watch the weeds grow between the dreamt ideal, or to continue building the reality, where one day a real home is formed from the constant aspiration of living and being in peace, supported by creative space, supported by our very selves who dare to dream into action.

God rocks gently to remove all obstacles....... but he sure rocks.

- c -