The God

[akbar]

The God

Creator of the universe, worthy of all praises, the Almighty, the God is one, does not share power or powers with any one else, the only supreme, basically only the God is to be believed, only the God is worthy to put faith in.The God of universe is not God of any particular faith, creed or race and to claim any sort of superiority over others is totally wrong. Any such charges against the God need to be vindicated though the God is not affected being the Almighty. He may be called by any suitable name/names as He is omnipresent, omnipotent, The great, The master, The lord and humans are free to call Him by such names in any language, in any manner they like. He is neither he nor she and just for our conveniene we call Him He.

The God created the mankind on a nature most liked by him, the nature which is extremely good, the Good which you all know and you may call it humanism. The God likes to be prayed but does not authorise any one to force others to follow his way of prayers. We all know manners of obedience, certainly prayers can not be said by crawling. No one should say prayers in which he/she is not fluent because influency does not allow smooth expression of heart felt feelings.

The God would not hold resposible any one for not having a particular faith or believing any one or any thing except Him. To believe in the God is natural and nothing is so natural. A person is born on nature not belonging to any race, area, language or ethical group. When grown up that person is told that he/she belongs to such and such grouping and selfishness in that person entices him/her to adopt related likings, dislikings, love and hatred: but the persons having wisdom are expetion. Such are the persons/humans liked by the God because only these can have pure faith in the God [replace a born baby to any other community. He/she would adopt likings/dislikings of that community, even would would have same affection for adopting as his/her own physical parents if the fact is not revealed.

Then there is a death materialy equalising all who die leaving behind all affiliations contracted during life. WE attempt in vain to make some differences by performing ceremonies as told by our clerks, by military parades or erecting tombs. Only the God will make the difference by rewading good and punishing evil.

The wise humans do recognise good from beginning of mankind. The God created humans on good nature but let it exposed to evil. Therefore there is a reward for good humans and punishment for bad.

Aperson in wilderness shares his piece of bread with an other unknown person but why? This is because of good nature which differentiates humans from other animals. A believer is the best and steadfast good doer. He/she remains on the straight path in any conditions or circumstances in which non believers would fail.

The lord of the universe, the God is one,

The creator of the moon, stars and son,

He listens to us when we pray to him,

But very few of us are thankful to him,

The God has blessed us with blessings so much,

That we can not count these as such,

He protects us from all evils day and night,

And only he is the Lord, the God of might,

The God is the most beneficient and merciful,

He even forgives those who are sinful,

The God rewards those who do good deeds,

And helps those who are sick, worried and in needs,

The God loves the mankind the best in his universe,

But those who are wicked and cruel will face the curse.

The God is the God of universe, the God of mankind, not of religions, communities or groups.

[mee]

That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth................psalm 83;18(KJV)...................................So rather than using any old name, for true and faithful chriatians they would know and use Gods name ,because Gods word tells them what it is ........ but horror of horrors , it seems that some have pushed the true Gods name into the back ground and have taken it away from their bibles ...That they may know that You, whose name alone is the LORD,
Are the Most High over all the earth(NKJV)..........

[taijasi]

There is an interesting article here on the `Names of God' from a Jewish perspective, inclusive of both Torah and Kabbalah.

Consider this article as well, from a different site, but in the same vein. Also, this passage:

"His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself."
Revelation 19:12

I am not too familiar with the Koran ... but consider (from this site):

And Allah's are the best Names, therefore call on Him thereby, and leave alone those who violate the sanctity of His Names; they shall be recompensed for what they did / God's alone are the attributes of perfection; invoke Him, then, by these, and stand aloof from all who distort the meaning of His attributes. Quran Al A'Raf 7:180

Say: "Call upon Allah or call upon the Beneficent God; whichever you call upon, He has the Best names." / Say: "Invoke God, or invoke the Most Gracious: by whichever name you invoke Him, He is always the One -- for His are all the attributes of perfection." Quran Al Isra 17:110

Allah is He, other than Whom there is no other god; Who knows both what is hidden and what can be witnessed; He is the Most Compassionate and Merciful. Allah is He, other than Whom there is no other god; the Sovereign, the One, the Source of Peace, the Guardian of Faith, the Preserver of Security, the Exalted, the Compelling, the Supreme. Glory be to God, beyond any associations. He is Allah, the Creator, the Evolver, the Bestower of Form. To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names: Whatever exists in heaven and earth declares His Praise and Glory. And He is Exalted in Power, the Wise. Quran Al Hashr 59:22-24

And last but not least ... for ultimate profundity ...


... my very own take on things ...







... here it comes ...






... get ready ...











you say tomAto, I say tomAHto.


(Thank you, thank you ... no autographs, thank you very much.)

andrew

[bananabrain]

that jewish article you refer to is an extraordinary thing to find on the website of a reform temple, considering how strictly traditional the ideas found within it are!

b'shalom

bananabrain

[mee]

Originally Posted by taijasi

There is an interesting article here on the `Names of God' from a Jewish perspective, inclusive of both Torah and Kabbalah.

Consider this article as well, from a different site, but in the same vein. Also, this passage:

"His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself."


Revelation 19:12

I am not too familiar with the Koran ... but consider (from this site):

And Allah's are the best Names, therefore call on Him thereby, and leave alone those who violate the sanctity of His Names; they shall be recompensed for what they did / God's alone are the attributes of perfection; invoke Him, then, by these, and stand aloof from all who distort the meaning of His attributes. Quran Al A'Raf 7:180



Say: "Call upon Allah or call upon the Beneficent God; whichever you call upon, He has the Best names." / Say: "Invoke God, or invoke the Most Gracious: by whichever name you invoke Him, He is always the One -- for His are all the attributes of perfection." Quran Al Isra 17:110

Allah is He, other than Whom there is no other god; Who knows both what is hidden and what can be witnessed; He is the Most Compassionate and Merciful. Allah is He, other than Whom there is no other god; the Sovereign, the One, the Source of Peace, the Guardian of Faith, the Preserver of Security, the Exalted, the Compelling, the Supreme. Glory be to God, beyond any associations. He is Allah, the Creator, the Evolver, the Bestower of Form. To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names: Whatever exists in heaven and earth declares His Praise and Glory. And He is Exalted in Power, the Wise. Quran Al Hashr 59:22-24

And last but not least ... for ultimate profundity ...




... my very own take on things ...







... here it comes ...






... get ready ...











you say tomAto, I say tomAHto.






(Thank you, thank you ... no autographs, thank you very much.)

andrew

this verse in revelation is talking about Jesus christ ,Jesus christ is NOT the true God Jehovah , but Jesus christ is Gods only- begotten son He has a name written that no one knows but he himself." (Revelation 19:12) The Bible already speaks of God’s Son by names such as Jesus, Immanuel, and Michael. But this unstated "name" appears to stand for the position and privileges that Jesus enjoys during the Lord’s day. (Compare Revelation 2:17.) but the bible tells us that the true God is Jehovah


King James Version: The name Jehovah is found at Exodus 6:3; Psalm 83:18; Isaiah 12:2; 26:4. See also Genesis 22:14; Exodus 17:15; Judges 6:24

[Ciel]

Welcome Akbar,
Do you remember we met on another board, ATS.
It is good you are here with the words spoken from the heart and soul of your being, you yourself are the proof, God as God is known to you, as are all others. We are known by our words here, sometimes difficult to translate to others, for there is easy offence when man claims ownership to the one and only, and many do not understand the principle of a God who would issue freely to everyman. Many do not understand a God who is not written in script or scripture, a God without name.To know God as nameless, not even the word God. But indeed to know.
And for thousands of years man knew God without name, he knew him as the wonder of the silence and stillness in his being at peace, at one with love.

[taijasi]

There is a wonderful scene in the movie `Pi' regarding the secret name of God. There is a even a link to a clip that's supposed to show this scene on the official movie website, but all the movies seem to be missing. Too bad, because this scene is awesome! I recommend this website to anyone interested in this topic from the pov of Abrahamic religions, esp. Judaism.

From a broader perspective, consider the following, rather lengthy excerpt from Isis Unveiled (by H.P. Blavatsky) that I happened upon and read last week:

At all events, Jehovah is not the ancient of the ancient, or "aged of the aged," of the Sohar; for we find him, in this book, counselling with God the Father as to the creation of the world. "The work-master spoke to the Lord. Let us make man after our image" (Zohar i., fol. 25). Jehovah is but the Metatron, and perhaps, not even the highest, but only one of the AEons; for he whom Onkelos calls Memro, the "Word," is not the exoteric Jehovah of the Bible, nor is he Jahve the Existing One.

It was the secresy of the early kabalists, who were anxious to screen the real Mystery name of the "Eternal" from profanation, and later the prudence which the mediaeval alchemists and occultists were compelled to adopt to save their lives, that caused the inextricable confusion of divine names. This is what led the people to accept the Jehovah of the Bible as the name of the "One living God." Every Jewish elder, prophet, and other man of any importance knew the difference; but as the difference lay in the vocalization of the "name," and its right pronunciation led to death, the common people were ignorant of it, for no initiate would risk his life by teaching it to them. Thus the Sinaitic deity came gradually to be regarded as identical with "Him whose name is known but to the wise." When Capellus translates: "Whosoever shall pronounce the name of Jehovah, shall suffer death," he makes two mistakes. The first is in adding the final letter h to the name, if he wants this deity to be considered either male or androgynous, for the letter makes the name feminine, as it really should be, considering it is one of the names of Binah, the third emanation; his second error is in asserting that the word nokeb means only to pronounce distinctly. It means to pronounce correctly. Therefore, the biblical name Jehovah may be considered simply a substitute, which, as belonging to one of the "powers" got to be viewed as that of the "Eternal." There is an evident mistake (one of the very many), in one of the texts in Leviticus, which has been corrected by Cahen, and which proves that the interdiction did not at all concern the name of the exoteric Jehovah, whose numerous other names could also be pronounced without any penalty being incurred.* In the vicious English version, the translation runs thus: "And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall surely be put to death," Levit. xxiv. 16. Cahen renders it far more correctly, thus: "And he that blasphemeth the name of the Eternal shall die," etc. The "Eternal" being something higher than the exoteric and personal "Lord."**

As with the Gentile nations, the symbols of the Israelites were ever bearing, directly or indirectly, upon sun-worship. The exoteric Jehovah of the Bible is a dual god, like all the other gods; and the fact that David -- who is entirely ignorant of Moses -- praises his "Lord," and assures him that the "Lord is a great God, and a great King above all gods," may be of a very great importance to the descendants of Jacob and David, but their national God concerns us in no wise. We are quite ready to show the "Lord God" of Israel the same respect as we do to Brahma, Zeus, or any other secondary deity. But we decline, most emphatically, to recognize in him either the Deity worshipped by Moses, or the "Father" of Jesus, or yet the "Ineffable Name" of the kabalists. Jehovah is, perhaps, one of the Elohim, who was concerned in the formation (which is not creation) of the universe, one of the architects who built from pre-existing matter, but he never was the "Unknowable" Cause that created "bara," in the night of the Eternity. These Elohim first form and bless; then they curse and destroy; as one of these Powers, Jehovah is therefore by turns beneficent and malevolent; at one moment he punishes and then repents. He is the antitype of several of the patriarchs -- of Esau and of Jacob, the allegorical twins, emblems of the ever manifest dual principle in nature. So Jacob, who is Israel, is the left pillar -- the feminine principle of Esau, who is the right pillar and the male principle. When he wrestles with Malach-Iho, the Lord, it is the latter who becomes the right pillar, and Jacob-Israel names God; although the Bible-interpreters have endeavored to transform him into a mere "angel of the Lord" (Genesis xxxii.), Jacob conquers him -- as matter will but too often conquer spirit -- but his thigh is put out of joint in the fight.
* As, for instance, Shaddai, Elohim, Sabaoth, etc.

** Cahen's "Hebrew Bible," iii., p. 117.

Of course, certainly, as the womb (`mother' from mater, same as `matter') from which all Creation was born, I kind of like the idea of a feminine Deity. Something like Galadriel's reaction to Frodo's ring ...

... err, umm, well ok, maybe not. No, I was thinking more along the lines of Sophia. I kind of like Alex Grey's rendition ... but also Nicholas Roerich's.

-A

[Quahom1]

Sounds eirily similar to Gnosticism...


v/r

Q

[akbar]

Originally Posted by Ciel

Welcome Akbar,
Do you remember we met on another board, ATS.
It is good you are here with the words spoken from the heart and soul of your being, you yourself are the proof, God as God is known to you, as are all others. We are known by our words here, sometimes difficult to translate to others, for there is easy offence when man claims ownership to the one and only, and many do not understand the principle of a God who would issue freely to everyman. Many do not understand a God who is not written in script or scripture, a God without name.To know God as nameless, not even the word God. But indeed to know.
And for thousands of years man knew God without name, he knew him as the wonder of the silence and stillness in his being at peace, at one with love.

Ciel,

Happy to meet you also. I have been offline for more than a year. you know talking to some body though on net gives a sense of relief when you can not express youeself in youe society. I agree with your words.

[akbar]

Originally Posted by taijasi

There is an interesting article here on the `Names of God' from a Jewish perspective, inclusive of both Torah and Kabbalah.

Consider this article as well, from a different site, but in the same vein. Also, this passage:

"His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself."

Revelation 19:12

I am not too familiar with the Koran ... but consider (from this site):

And Allah's are the best Names, therefore call on Him thereby, and leave alone those who violate the sanctity of His Names; they shall be recompensed for what they did / God's alone are the attributes of perfection; invoke Him, then, by these, and stand aloof from all who distort the meaning of His attributes. Quran Al A'Raf 7:180


Say: "Call upon Allah or call upon the Beneficent God; whichever you call upon, He has the Best names." / Say: "Invoke God, or invoke the Most Gracious: by whichever name you invoke Him, He is always the One -- for His are all the attributes of perfection." Quran Al Isra 17:110

Allah is He, other than Whom there is no other god; Who knows both what is hidden and what can be witnessed; He is the Most Compassionate and Merciful. Allah is He, other than Whom there is no other god; the Sovereign, the One, the Source of Peace, the Guardian of Faith, the Preserver of Security, the Exalted, the Compelling, the Supreme. Glory be to God, beyond any associations. He is Allah, the Creator, the Evolver, the Bestower of Form. To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names: Whatever exists in heaven and earth declares His Praise and Glory. And He is Exalted in Power, the Wise. Quran Al Hashr 59:22-24

And last but not least ... for ultimate profundity ...



... my very own take on things ...







... here it comes ...






... get ready ...











you say tomAto, I say tomAHto.




(Thank you, thank you ... no autographs, thank you very much.)

andrew

I agree with your words when you mention about Allah from Qoran but I do not agree that Tha God or Allah is Islamic, Christian or Jewish. The God in Hindi language is Bhagwan (the Creator of destiny) and I agree with this word also and there can be so many words in so many languages.

[akbar]

To all,

This God or that God,
Of turbon's or the cap's God,
of west's or the east's God,
Of religion's or the priest's God.
Which God or whose God,
Not believe or choose God,
Temple's God or Minaret's God,
Of not free but hostage's God.
Not certain but uncertain God,
Of insane not of sane God,
If God is not only The God,
Not this God or that God.

[taijasi]

Because men fight wars over `G-d' (each country and each army fully endorsed by G-d, of course) and because christianity alone has well over 20,000 sects ... I find my senses reeling and my mind full of confusion sometimes. Makes me think of two different parts of the well-known Buffalo Springfield song: `Nobody's right if everybody's wrong' and `A thousand people in the street/Singing songs and carryin' signs/Mostly say hooray for our side.'

Indeed, hooray. G-d is always on our side, no matter who we are, what we do, or who we do it to or why. After all, "it wasn't my fault" ... "I did the best I could." And we all know, "God willed it!" I am simply amazed that vast portions of the American populace still think this way, and respond with knee-jerk-like reaction to the demagogues and fakirs of the day. Burn her, burn her - she's a witch!!!

Akbar, I appreciate your original post, and certainly agree that there is but one, nameless God. This discussion could easily turn Zen at any moment! I mean, if 100 people from 100 different countries or parts of the world walked outside and looked at a tree together, wouldn't all 100 recognize it as a tree? Mmmm, maybe. Probably. Would each not recognize the value and importance of a glass of water? Of food and shelter? Of sunshine, education, a stable, harmonious & peaceable social climate? I do think so. Words need not enter in, and subtleties of meaning all blend in recognition of central, key concepts (Universal ideas).

Until we can acknowledge all this, including the most basic and fundamental of requirements for a sustainable society ... it will be pointless to discuss "G-d" in many cases. The idea sounds nice, but what kind of godless people allow others around them to starve to death, and contract diseases that have been preventable for decades or centuries? Would a bigscreen tv bring me closer to God? Would it help someone else?

I think it would be neat if more of us could consider that those who know G-d, often labor ceaselessly to bring other to G-d without ever speaking of religion or imposing their ideas upon others in the slightest. Such people are often agnostic, strongly scientifically minded, great artists, or financiers ... and have no more interest in organized religion than a bumblebee.

Every now & Zen it's just helpful to do as John asked us to do, and Imagine.

andrew

[mee]

"The God that made the world and all the things in it" is still unknown to many. But as Paul told the Athenians, this God—Jehovah—"is not far off from each one of us."—Acts 17:24, 27

[akbar]

taijasi,

I feel a thirst for truth in you. Please keep the contact. Perhaps we can learn from each other.
The God I pray is yours also,
May be more yours than mine also,
The God of universe is of mankind also,
I am your friend also.

[akbar]

mee,

If your God is jehovah, I can accept it as mine also but if you insist on this are any other name then we differ from each other.