The Conquering Lion of Judah

[I, Brian]

Thanks for the information, CanuckRasta - much appreciated.

[didymus]

I think it would be great if the second coming of Christ was a black man. Most people have an image of Christ burned into their brain from a Eurocentric point of view. I highly doubt the original Jesus had blue eyes and light golden hair that swayed in the breeze. I have had thoughts(maybe visions?) of the second coming of christ or maybe even the next great prophet being black. I think alot of people aren't ready for that. I am remaining open minded to this prospect.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by didymus

I think it would be great if the second coming of Christ was a black man. Most people have an image of Christ burned into their brain from a Eurocentric point of view. I highly doubt the original Jesus had blue eyes and light golden hair that swayed in the breeze. I have had thoughts(maybe visions?) of the second coming of christ or maybe even the next great prophet being black. I think alot of people aren't ready for that. I am remaining open minded to this prospect.

Actually, based on the group of people living in the area that Jesus was born, and the fact that His mother was of the tribe of Judah, and His adoptive father was initially considered His own, and his occupation in the beginning was a carpenter's apprentice, I'd say olive complected, with brown or hazel eyes and brown/black hair. Thick in bone structure but rather tall (relatively speaking), and thick muscled (due to His occupation). Calloused of the hand, with small splits in the skin due to His working with resinous wood, and mortar and stone.

A very strong looking Mediterranian man.

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Q

[CanuckRasta]

Okay, let's move on to Isaiah 9:6.

"For unto us a child is born, for unto us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called wonderful, counselor, Mighty King, Everlasting father, Prince of Peace."

For this passage I am attaching an article from a friend, Ras Ashkar. In my opinon, he does an excellent job of analyzing the quote.

One Love
CanuckRasta

[didymus]

I agree with your portrait of Jesus Q, but who's to say what he'll look like in the second coming. When he reappeared to those after his death they didn't recognize him right away. In one case it took several hours for them to realize who it was to whom they were speaking.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by didymus

I agree with your portrait of Jesus Q, but who's to say what he'll look like in the second coming. When he reappeared to those after his death they didn't recognize him right away. In one case it took several hours for them to realize who it was to whom they were speaking.

Most likely due to the fact that He was without blemish on his face, and He did hide his hands and feet until the appropriate time...

Also, he was the last person they expected to see alive. Our minds and eyes can play tricks on us.

Revelations give a pretty descriptive picture (even if considered symbolic) of how Jesus looks upon His return, white hair, glowing in the face, armored up and not very happy at all.

Oh and the thief in the night statement I think you posted earlier about His return...that is for the faithful. The above picture is for those who think they are bigger than their britches.

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Q

[didymus]

is that how you perceive God? as one who will come back to punish those that are too big for their britches? what happened to proclaiming with your lips that Jesus is Lord? So can someone who has proclaimed Jesus as Lord still be too big for their britches or is that only for those that haven't made a verbal confession.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by didymus

is that how you perceive God? as one who will come back to punish those that are too big for their britches? what happened to proclaiming with your lips that Jesus is Lord? So can someone who has proclaimed Jesus as Lord still be too big for their britches or is that only for those that haven't made a verbal confession.

Did,

In the battle of Armaggedon, there is not going to be a peace overture from Jesus to the combatants. According the Revelations, there isn't going to be enough meat on their bones for the animals to pick off, after all is said and done. Over 200,000,000 will be wiped out, because they were too big for their britches.

And in the end, everyone will proclaim Jesus is Lord, including Lucifer. That too is in Revelations.

I'd be happy to discuss this at length with you.

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Q

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by CanuckRasta

Okay, let's move on to Isaiah 9:6.

"For unto us a child is born, for unto us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called wonderful, counselor, Mighty King, Everlasting father, Prince of Peace."

For this passage I am attaching an article from a friend, Ras Ashkar. In my opinon, he does an excellent job of analyzing the quote.

One Love
CanuckRasta

The parallelisms are very interesting Canuck. I'm going to research this Haile Selassie. He appears to have been a very influential man.

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Q

[Faithfulservant]

The word Ethiopia appears in the King James Bible version 45 times. When the word Ethiopia is used in the bible, it most of the time refers to all the land south of Egypt.

All I can say is that I cant wait to get a front row seat to my saviors return..

[truthseeker]

Originally Posted by CanuckRasta

Okay, let's move on to Isaiah 9:6.

"For unto us a child is born, for unto us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called wonderful, counselor, Mighty King, Everlasting father, Prince of Peace."

Oh! You're on fire, aren't you, CanuckRasta!

If Christians can believe Yeshua is the Mighty King - The Anointed One - then according to the scriptures you're throwing out there (on a substantial note I will add), then I don't see why RasTafarians should not believe that Sellasie I was indeed the Christ.

So if Selassie I is the Christ, then what about Yeshua? Does everyone else have it wrong, or should the world just understand that the Christ can be manifest in kingship over and over again...

[bananabrain]

leaving apart the fairly significant fact that we don't consider jesus to have been the messiah, it is not possible in judaism for the king to be a priest as well. priests must be of the cohanim, direct male-line descendants of aaron (and therefore members of the tribe of levi) whereas the legitimate jewish kings are members of the tribe of judah in the direct male-line of david. to establish jesus as a bona fide candidate for messiahship (at least moshiach ben david as opposed to moshiach ben yosef, who'd have to be from the half-tribe of ephraim i think) he'd have to be a direct male-line descendant of david. hence the (from our point spurious) genealogy in the new testament.

assuming that haile selassie was in fact in the direct male-line of descendancy from solomon, he would be a candidate for the kingship. of course a) this would be tough to prove and b) he wasn't jewish. both of these would be somewhat problematic from our PoV. it would be more likely that a member of the ethiopian jewish community would be eligible.

the jewish take on this is that there are said to be three "crowns" - the crown of kingship, that of priesthood and that of Torah. kingship is reserved for one man, priesthood for a family, but the crown of Torah is available to anyone.

b'shalom

bananabrain

[truthseeker]

As I understand it had to be proven that Selassie I was a descendent of Solomon before he took the throne and it was proven. Since it was proven, doesn't that make him Jewish by blood, though he didn't practice the religion?

[CanuckRasta]

Truthseeker, technically Selassie was not a Jew because as I understand it that is past down from the female side. His mother was Muslim.

bananabrain, there are three articles written about Jews and Rastas at:
http://debate.uvm.edu/dreadlibrary/ebardfield.html
http://debate.uvm.edu/dreadlibrary/buchwald.html
http://debate.uvm.edu/dreadlibrary/dvorin.html

Please note in the last article, he mistook the origination of the term Babylon.

Quahom, glad to hear you will be researching Haile Selassie. This paper may help:
http://debate.uvm.edu/dreadlibrary/cardillo.html

Truthseeker, while I am glad you are willing to see that Selassie might be Christ, we haven't talked about his "denial" of being to divine.

One Love
CanuckRasta

[truthseeker]

Originally Posted by CanuckRasta

Truthseeker, technically Selassie was not a Jew because as I understand it that is past down from the female side. His mother was Muslim.

Muslim is not bloodline. Jewish is. Not that I am trying to get into debate about his heritage or anything.

Truthseeker, while I am glad you are willing to see that Selassie might be Christ, we haven't talked about his "denial" of being to divine.

The truth continues to unfold...