the Bible from a Jehovah's Witness perspective

[mee]

Originally Posted by JustifiedByFaith

Yes.

its good to know that the established heavenly kngdom that Jesus is now king of, daniel 2;44 will sort things out for good . according to bible prophecy and chronology ,the heavenly kingdom was set up in the heavens in 1914 and Jesus was given kingship and rulership of it.
Following the overthrow of the last king to sit on "Jehovah’s throne" in Jerusalem (1Ch 29:23), the prophet Daniel was given a vision describing the future appointment of God’s own Son to serve as King. Jehovah’s position stands out clearly when he, as the Ancient of Days, grants rulership to his Son. The account states: "I kept on beholding in the visions of the night, and, see there! with the clouds of the heavens someone like a son of man happened to be coming; and to the Ancient of Days he gained access, and they brought him up close even before that One. And to him there were given rulership and dignity and kingdom, that the peoples, national groups and languages should all serve even him. His rulership is an indefinitely lasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom one that will not be brought to ruin." (Da 7:13, 14) A comparison of this text with Matthew 26:63, 64 leaves no doubt that the "son of man" in Daniel’s vision is Jesus Christ. He gains access to Jehovah’s presence and is given rulership.—Compare Ps 2:8, 9; Mt 28:18. yes its all happening in this time of the end , the end of manmade goverments are just around the corner , but Gods heavenly kingdom goverment will last for ever . bring it on i say.

[mee]

Originally Posted by JustifiedByFaith

Dear Quahom1,

Good point you made. It's the "sway", "wiles" or "deception" of the evil one... that's what the bible speaks of. The world isn't under the power of Satan. He is the great deceiver and father of lies in the world.

According to the bible ,Jehovah is allowing satan to rule and influence the world , but when Jehovahs time is up he will put satan in the abyss so that he can no longer influence the nations ,as the bible tells us at 1 John 5;19 the whole world is under the power of the wicked one .and yes as you mentioned he certainly is the great deceiver, he was the first one to ever tell a lie , and that happened way back in the garden of eden. yes he has a great influence on even the religions of the world . even Jesus recognized this, when speaking to the so called religious leaders back in his day.
YOU are from YOUR father the Devil, and YOU wish to do the desires of YOUR father. That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of [the lie]John 8;44 yes when satan began his rebellion he was a manslayer because he caused adam and eve to die , the first lie told was by satan ,he said that they would not die if they eat the fruit , how wrong he was . they could have lived forever if adam and eve had not listened to the first lier, he has a lot to answer for , the great deceiver. yes even the religions of the world have been decieved by this lie, the immortality of the human soul is carrying on the lie. and satan is behind it all.

[JustifiedByFaith]

Originally Posted by mee

(John 3:16) "For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.

(1 John 4:9) By this the love of God was made manifest in our case, because God sent forth his only-begotten Son into the world that we might gain life through him.

John

1:1—"and the Word was a god (godlike; divine)"

Gr., και θεοςηνο λόγος (kai the·os´ en ho lo´gos)
(Proverbs 8:30) then I came to be beside him as a master worker, and I came to be the one he was specially fond of day by day, I being glad before him all the time,
(John 1:18) No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is in the bosom [position] with the Father is the one that has explained him.... ................yes the bible harmonizes throughout , Jesus had a pre-human life in heaven with his father , and he was the only one created by Jehovah alone , every thing else was created through Jesus. yes Jesus was a master worker in the heavens with his father Jehovah . he really is divine like.

(Genesis 1:26) And God went on to say: "Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every moving animal that is moving upon the earth."

(Genesis 3:22) And Jehovah God went on to say: "Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad, and now in order that he may not put his hand out and actually take [fruit] also from the tree of life and eat and live to time indefinite,—" .............yes he was talking to his first-born son in his pre-human life in the heavens ,with his father Jehovah.

Dear mee,

The difficulty I will have trying to gently engage with you regarding your interpretations is not with you but with the uniquely, intentionally translated New World Translation? I would like to exhort, rebuke and admonish but can't? We can't discuss apples with apples.
Speaking of apples, I wonder if my kids ate all the granny smiths in the fridge?

[JustifiedByFaith]

Originally Posted by mee

its good to know that the established heavenly kngdom that Jesus is now king of, daniel 2;44 will sort things out for good . according to bible prophecy and chronology ,the heavenly kingdom was set up in the heavens in 1914 and Jesus was given kingship and rulership of it.

Dear mee,

Actually the date 1914 isn't according to bible prophesy but according to JW prophesies.

Zion's Watchtower Nov, 1880 p 1. calling AD 1914 "The times of the Gentiles".

Studies in Scriptures vol 2, "The time is at hand." 1889 ed p 101. >says that Rev 16:14 "Battle of the great day of God Almighty" will end in 1914.

This is an interpretation coming from the leaders in the JW church not bible prophesy or chrono according to the majority of bible scholars.

Watchtower July 15, 1894 p 266 says that 1914 is the end of the "time of trouble"...

Note: With all due respect for your faith mee I have several friends who have left the JW due to a well documented history of unfullfilled prophesies & predictions. I hope to always discuss things with you in truth and in love. I will not attack you personally EVER... but I will shine the "Light" when needed.


Sincerely,

JustifiedByFaith

[mee]

Originally Posted by JustifiedByFaith

Dear mee,

Actually the date 1914 isn't according to bible prophesy but according to JW prophesies.

Zion's Watchtower Nov, 1880 p 1. calling AD 1914 "The times of the Gentiles".

Studies in Scriptures vol 2, "The time is at hand." 1889 ed p 101. >says that Rev 16:14 "Battle of the great day of God Almighty" will end in 1914.

This is an interpretation coming from the leaders in the JW church not bible prophesy or chrono according to the majority of bible scholars.

Watchtower July 15, 1894 p 266 says that 1914 is the end of the "time of trouble"...

Note: With all due respect for your faith mee I have several friends who have left the JW due to a well documented history of unfullfilled prophesies & predictions. I hope to always discuss things with you in truth and in love. I will not attack you personally EVER... but I will shine the "Light" when needed.


Sincerely,

JustifiedByFaith

yes ,and how right those early bible students were about 1914 , it really is a significant date .......... it is the START of the last days, thrilling times indeed that we are living in. keeping awake to bible prophecy is the thing to do , it means that we can know where we are in the stream of time . Jehovah reveals many things to those who kept awake to bible prophecy . now they have a great responsibility to make it known that Jesus is now a reining king in the heavenly kingdom goverment. and Jehovah is going to step into the affairs of humans by crushing ALL goverments of humans and then his heavenly kingdom can rule without any interferance Daniel 2;44 isnt it great that we know the earth is going to be brought back to paradise condtions and it will all come about through Gods heavenly kingdom goverment
"‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth matthew 6;9-10

[mee]

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[Dor]

Yes it does. Try a few different versions though.

http://bible.crosswalk.com/

[mee]

Originally Posted by Dor

Yes it does. Try a few different versions though.

http://bible.crosswalk.com/

yes i have many versions , but i like the new world translation the best.
All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work... 2 timothy 3;16................. but as you say, its good to have and look at different ones .

[JustifiedByFaith]

Originally Posted by mee

yes i have many versions , but i like the new world translation the best.
All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work... 2 timothy 3;16................. but as you say, its good to have and look at different ones .

Dear mee,

I am just curious what you think the elders in the church would say or think if you used another version other than the New World Translation for all your studies in the scriptures?

[kenod]

Originally Posted by Dor

Yes it does. Try a few different versions though.

http://bible.crosswalk.com/

Thanks for that site, Dor, I hadn't come across that one before.
Two of my favourites are:

http://www.searchgodsword.org

http://www.biblegateway.com

[Dor]

Originally Posted by kenod

http://www.biblegateway.com

I use it almost as much as crosswalk and e-sword.

[Dor]

Originally Posted by JustifiedByFaith

Dear mee,

I am just curious what you think the elders in the church would say or think if you used another version other than the New World Translation for all your studies in the scriptures?

I think you might be shocked if you don't all ready have an idea.

[JustifiedByFaith]

Originally Posted by Dor

I think you might be shocked if you don't all ready have an idea.

Hi Dor...

[tommy]

Originally Posted by JustifiedByFaith

Dear mee,

I am just curious what you think the elders in the church would say or think if you used another version other than the New World Translation for all your studies in the scriptures?

Witnesses quote from the New Jerusalem Bible and King James Bible and other Bible all the time. They would have no problem with that at all. Praise Jah you people...

[tommy]

On a serious note, the Witnesses study from whatever Bible people want to study from. The New World Translation does use Jehovah's name which is real cool and how the Hebrew translations were originally written