The Ark of the Covenant

[dauer]

Quahom,

I can respect that.

Dauer

[CanuckRasta]

Just wondering, has anyone read the Kebra Nagast??

CanuckRasta

[pohaikawahine]

I'm going back to read old threads and ran across a few that I really wanted to respond to, but decided not to .... but the Ark of the Covenant is too good to pass up .... the Ark is indeed hidden in a cave but it cannot be seen with the physical eyes .... we don't need to worry that it will fall into the wrong hands because it is protected and cannot be found by those that would use it for anything other than its intended purpose .... the mosiach will carry the ark ....it's just a matter of time and faith ....

I'm off to read other old threads .... aloha nui, poh

[dauer]

Poh,

Is that all just an internal analogy or do you mean externally this time?

Dauer

[pohaikawahine]

it is internal .... I am an agnostic when it comes to the external ark, but if found in the external I feel the same way that it will be protected and cannot be used for any purpose other than what is intended .... aloha nui, poh

[mee]

Jeremiah foretold a time when the ark of the covenant would be no more, but that it would not be missed and Jehovah’s worshipers would experience no hardship because of not having it. Instead ‘Jerusalem itself will be called the throne of Jehovah.’—Jer 3:16, 17.

In the symbolic book of Revelation, John says that "the ark of his covenant was seen in his temple sanctuary" in heaven. This ark of the covenant has to do with the new covenant of God with men and the appearing of the Ark was an indication that Jehovah was again ruling by means of his Anointed One.—Re 11:15, 19

[bananabrain]

thanks, mee, for the quote from jeremiah, which i wasn't aware of and which describes the situation perfectly. obviously, i don't accept revelations as a sacred text, but i dare say it works for you.

b'shalom

bananabrain

[juantoo3]

Bump for relevence to the Melchizedek thread, especially posts 27-30. Hope this helps.

[pohaikawahine]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Bump for relevence to the Melchizedek thread, especially posts 27-30. Hope this helps.

From a web site www.hiddenmeanings.com there is a reference to the word Melchizedek which I find most insightful .... in a nutshell (coconut that is) melchizedek is not a person but a process ....

the word itself comes from several roots that can be broken down as:

" Mel - dark or black
Melchi - life force (as in 'chi')
Melchiz - electron via atom of the pineal gland, reisistance via OHM
mELCHIZEDEK - disciplining ourselves to the dark matter, or meditation

When we meditate we tithe to the King of Salem which means the King of Peace ".... when we meditate we give the 10% of our brain that we normally use over to dark matter which composes 90% (dark does not refer to anything evil, only the portion that we do not use regularly) .... we tithe to the 90% and merge the whole to 100% .... the completion of this cycle or circle which has no beginning and no end ....

I do believe that the ark of the covenant is to be found internally and not externally and the bible tells us how to find it .... meditation is one method (among several) to acomplish this and the word melchizedek is used to describe what we must give up in order to move deeply into meditation ....

That is why I also believe that the return of the Mosiach (or Messiah) and the rebuilding of the third temple (via the regathering) will happen simultaneously .... we carry the ark in the portable temple (us) and it always remains with us until we as a people create the change necessary to move into the fifth world which brings peace and harmony both at a spiritual level and a physical level .... I for one am filled with great expectations for the future of our children .... he hawai'i au, poh

[Prober]

Is there a plan or impetus to build a third temple on the temple mount? Training priests, making items, etc?

Could this conceivably ever be done?

It's got to be really irritating to think that the Holy of Holies is under Al-Aqsa (if I'm reading Getz correctly).

Thoughts?

[dauer]

Prober,

There is a somewhat extremist group doing that type of stuff, but generally Jews are both more sensitive to current political situations and more about leaving that type of stuff for God, that is, when the moshiach comes it'll happen. Even in the kabbalistic sense where the actions of the individual can hasten olam haba, the world to come, that's still making the emphasis on all actions, and not on things like building implements or thinking of ways to kick your neighbors off of ground that they too consider to be sacred and that they've had a place of worship on for quite some time now.

The location of the holy of holies, however, afaik, we don't really know the exact location.

Dauer

Link to the borderline crazy folk who I hope don't decide to do something really crazy and start a war like the middle east has never seen, remove the space I inserted between temple and institute so I don't bump them up in google.

http://www.temple institute.org/

Dauer

[Prober]

Thanks, Dauer.

I'm assuming Getz didn't actually find the Ark or (I assume) nothing would stop some people from retreiving it...

I can only imagine the ruckus the whole thing would cause.

Regards,
Mark

[flowperson]

There are some scholars that believe that Solomon's temple actually housed the tent/tabernacle first used in the desert at Shiloh.

Quite a few people are of the opinion that the ark was taken to Africa after 70 ad and resides today in an orthodox chapel, St. Mary's, in Axum Ethiopia. Seen a couple of programs about it and read it in a few places also.

As a final note, temples in ancient Sumer and Assyria also contained precints that would coincide with the concept of the holy of holies in the Hebrew tabernacle.

flow....

[flowperson]

Hi all:

In light of the direction of the thread, I thought that this might be interesting. From this it appears that the front of the temple would have faced the northeast, the direction of the summer solstice.

flow....

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=54197

[pohaikawahine]

Interesting that there are only 44 replies to this thread but over 2600 have stopped to read it or part of it .... the Ark of the Covenant continues to be something that draws people to try and understand it .... in my view it will be found when we rebuilt the temple and the Masiach returns .... all simultaneously? The Torah tells us the way, but it is hidden in the teachings.

I just read a great excerpt from "The Essential Rabbi Nachman" translated by Avraham Greenbaum in "Why the Tzaddik tells stories" "Why does the Tzaddik tell stories? It's like when a doctor becomes sick and is forced to put himself in the hands of an outstanding expert. The Sick doctor wants to be given the kinds of simple treatments he understands, but the expert knows of unique cures. Similarly a person may come to the oustanding sage and Tzaddik of the generation, who is doctor of the ailments of the soul. The person wants the Tzaddik to give him medicines - spiritual pathways of the kind he understands. However the Tzaddik, has far more exalted medicines to administer.

Sometimes it is necessary to give the patient a certain medicine, but if the patient takes it as it is he will surely die. The medicine in question must therefore be mixed in with other ingredients. Similarly, there are people to whom it is impossible to reveal the inner face of the Torah teachings which they need for their healing. For healing comes from the Torah: 'It will be health to your navel' (Proverbs 3:8). However, the Torah has two powers: it can either be an elixir of life or a fatal poison. For 'If a person is deserving, it becomes an elixir of life; if not, it becomes a fatal poison' (Yoma 72b)

For this reason, if the person is given the teaching the way it is, he will certainly die, because for him, as one who is as yet unworthy, it would be a fatal poison. It is therefore necessary to clothe the inner face of the teaching within other Torah teachings in apparently mundane stories or conversations in order for the person to be able to receive the medicine hidden beneath the surface. For the Torah teaching itself is now clothed within stories and conversations, because it was impossible to administer it the way it really is." Likutey Moharan I, 164"

So I believe it is the the many stories of the Ark of the Covenant .... the Ark is part of the elixir of life .... while I do not believe that any will "die" from not finding it, I do think that it is within the reach of each and every one of us when we remember what is is to live a "righteous" and balanced life in all that we do .... this is a very exciting time because it is closer than ever and the regathering and the rebuilding have already begun .... he hawai'i au, poh