Temporary Interfaith Parsha Fun Thread

[pohaikawahine]

yes, that would be fun and interesting .... when you are ready go ahead and start a thread and we can start the journey and hope others may want to join, but if not, enjoy the journey anyway .... and no I never thought of being a surgeon .... actually I retired in 1995, did private consulting afterwards, stopped for a couple of years and helped to take care of my grandson, and now I work at a Indian owned casino .... I started working when I was 15 years old, no time for being a brain surgeon .... so I study the brain just as I study ancient chants and legends and a lot of other things ....


by the way bandit, where are we at on the parsha .... I have pretty much moved on through the end of genesis and it was very exciting ... now that I have gone through the whole thing and seen its basic structure, I will need to re-read it and I'm sure it will keep taking on new meanings and insights ....I have two copies now, "the five books of moses" by rober alter, and the JPS hebrew/english tanakh .... those along with references from various books on the zohar really sparked ideas but I was not familiar enough with the entire structure to apply them well ....

dauer .... do you have any recommendations for other books that I need to delve deeper into the Jewish scriptures ? miss you, anything I can do to help with whatever is taking you away right now? aloha nui, poh

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by pohaikawahine

yes, that would be fun and interesting .... when you are ready go ahead and start a thread and we can start the journey and hope others may want to join, but if not, enjoy the journey anyway .... and no I never thought of being a surgeon .... actually I retired in 1995, did private consulting afterwards, stopped for a couple of years and helped to take care of my grandson, and now I work at a Indian owned casino .... I started working when I was 15 years old, no time for being a brain surgeon .... so I study the brain just as I study ancient chants and legends and a lot of other things ....

okay then. i was just checking because you know all the stuff inside, Dr. pohaikawahine.
if we do the Tabernacle in the wilderness i want to do it here instead of Judaism (& as a seperate parsha) because you see numbers & symbols better than i do plus the parsha should allow for more of an in depth study, so we wont need to feel rushed.
(i will look for a basic outline this week)

Originally Posted by pohaikawahine

by the way bandit, where are we at on the parsha .... I have pretty much moved on through the end of genesis and it was very exciting ... now that I have gone through the whole thing and seen its basic structure, I will need to re-read it and I'm sure it will keep taking on new meanings and insights ....I have two copies now, "the five books of moses" by rober alter, and the JPS hebrew/english tanakh .... those along with references from various books on the zohar really sparked ideas but I was not familiar enough with the entire structure to apply them well ....

i dont know where we are because i have never done parsha style before. i usually just go by chapter & verse. i am not sure if parsha actually goes through all the tabernacle the same way i would like to, because it moves real fast, more like daily devotional study.
i think this is the last day because Joseph dies at 110 & was buried in Egypt. (chapter 50)

the next parsha probably introduces the birth of Moses.

[pohaikawahine]

sounds great and I'll look forward to your start .... yes, I think the next parsha moves on to Exodus .... I'll check exactly where we are at some other sites on Judiasm that I subscribe to .... aloha nui, poh

[dauer]

Hi all. The parsha can divide into daily readings, but that's often not the case. That's just one way that some people approach it. What I've seen as being more common, is to pick up on some of the issues in the parsha one year, and other ones in another year. The reason I linked to that particular website is because it always gives the current parsha.

Poh, for a Western understanding of the Torah I would suggest either the Fox translation or the JPS chumash. The JPS chumash is the same translation as you have, but with commentary. It's actually condensed from something that's a number of volumes. The Fox translation is similar to the Alter translation but the commentary is more critical. For a more traditional Jewish commentary, there's the stone chumash from artscroll. But I would also recommend the link to Torah with Rashi I gave in the links thread. He's an important commentator. If you want to read something a little different, try Guide for the Perplexed by Maimonides. He applies an Aristotelian worldview to Torah. I don't know where else you want to go with your reading.

Another site for finding the current parsha is Hebcal.

http://www.hebcal.com/sedrot/

The date given is for the Saturday at the end of the week, but includes the previous week.

Dauer

[pohaikawahine]

Originally Posted by dauer

Hi all. The parsha can divide into daily readings, but that's often not the case. That's just one way that some people approach it. What I've seen as being more common, is to pick up on some of the issues in the parsha one year, and other ones in another year. The reason I linked to that particular website is because it always gives the current parsha.

Poh, for a Western understanding of the Torah I would suggest either the Fox translation or the JPS chumash. The JPS chumash is the same translation as you have, but with commentary. It's actually condensed from something that's a number of volumes. The Fox translation is similar to the Alter translation but the commentary is more critical. For a more traditional Jewish commentary, there's the stone chumash from artscroll. But I would also recommend the link to Torah with Rashi I gave in the links thread. He's an important commentator. If you want to read something a little different, try Guide for the Perplexed by Maimonides. He applies an Aristotelian worldview to Torah. I don't know where else you want to go with your reading.

Another site for finding the current parsha is Hebcal.

http://www.hebcal.com/sedrot/

The date given is for the Saturday at the end of the week, but includes the previous week.

Dauer

Hi dauer - welcome back, I like the parsha the way we have it now with a broader section to respond to and you are right there is always next year to pickup anything we missed or didn't respond to .... what do you think of bandit's idea to do thread on the tabernacle in the wilderness here as thought it was a parsha,but one that doesn't close at the end of the week .... the rest of the parsha would just keep going as we are doing it now, so basically we would have two threads open while we work on the tabernacle at our own pace .... the tabernacle and the regular parsha ....

bandit - you are really funny and I love your sense of humor (liked the piece on lunamoth) .... I think I'm beginning to understand why you so frequently post a question about the order of service and things at different sites .... and all of this will tie into the dialogue about the tabernacle in the wilderness .... I will also introduce some pieces on the description and meaning of altars connected with native american and hawaiian rituals and in some cases the way a home is built .... they will be related to the tabernacle in the wilderness .... remember I posted before that the top of the mountain in old hawaii was called "wao akua" which translates as "forest of the gods" .... the place that is hard to access by man .... aloha nui, poh

[dauer]

I like the idea for a thread on the tabernacle. If you or bandit make it, I'll stick it.

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by pohaikawahine

Hi dauer - welcome back, I like the parsha the way we have it now with a broader section to respond to and you are right there is always next year to pickup anything we missed or didn't respond to .... what do you think of bandit's idea to do thread on the tabernacle in the wilderness here as thought it was a parsha,but one that doesn't close at the end of the week .... the rest of the parsha would just keep going as we are doing it now, so basically we would have two threads open while we work on the tabernacle at our own pace .... the tabernacle and the regular parsha ....

Exactly... like extracurricular & at our own pace & through the year, so there will be two threads going in the Parsha.

Originally Posted by pohaikawahine

bandit - you are really funny and I love your sense of humor (liked the piece on lunamoth) .... I think I'm beginning to understand why you so frequently post a question about the order of service and things at different sites .... and all of this will tie into the dialogue about the tabernacle in the wilderness .... I will also introduce some pieces on the description and meaning of altars connected with native american and hawaiian rituals and in some cases the way a home is built .... they will be related to the tabernacle in the wilderness .... remember I posted before that the top of the mountain in old hawaii was called "wao akua" which translates as "forest of the gods" .... the place that is hard to access by man .... aloha nui, poh

that all sounds good to me also. i just know you are good with numbers & symbols & i am not so good with numbers & i know you have a real interest. i think this will be awesome & others can join as we go & we will make it loads of fun.

Originally Posted by dauer

I like the idea for a thread on the tabernacle. If you or bandit make it, I'll stick it.

thanks Dauer
i have a real passion for the Tabernacle in the Wilderness.

[pohaikawahine]

dauer - this weeks parsha is Shmot (Exodus 1:1-6:1)are you going to start a new thread or should we continue with this one "temporary interfairth parsha fun thread" ????

I was reading the introduction to Exodus in my copy by Robert Alter and he mentions that the narative is organized around three defined spaces: Egypt, the place of bondage; the wilderness, a liminal space where freedom will be realized and new obligations incured, where a tense struggle between leader and people will play out as part of the initiatory experience of nationhood; and the promised destination of the Exodus from Egypt, the land that remains beyond the horizon of this book. Egypt is associated with water .... the wilderness is associated with a dry parched land, and the new Israelite nation will the be land flowing with milk and honey (the utopian space that will be beyond reach for fourty years)

I was also reading the Zohar on Exodus .... which has a piece on Moses and the Blazing Bush (Exodus 3:1-2) "Rabbi Judah said "Moses was not like other prophets. We have learned: One who comes close to fire is burned. Yet Moses came close to fire and was not burned .... Rabbi Abba said "We should explore the nature of Moses in the light of wisdom. What is it written: 'She named him Moses, saying "It means: I drew him out of the water" (Exodus 2:10). One who has been drawn out of water has no fear of fire. And it has been taught in the name of Rabbi Judah: 'From the plae Moses was hewn, no other human was hewn.' "Moses was arrayed in all ten spheres" .... 'The Angel of YHVH appeared to him in a flame of fire .... he gazed: the bush is blazing in fire' showing that Israel is enslaved, but 'the bush is not consumed"... he hawai'i au, poh

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by pohaikawahine

dauer - this weeks parsha is Shmot (Exodus 1:1-6:1)are you going to start a new thread or should we continue with this one "temporary interfairth parsha fun thread" ????

poh

i kicked one up for shemot, pohaikawahine . i think it starts today. i cant really tell yet for sure what days they are supposed to start but i put one up with my story so far.

[dauer]

The parsha finishes on saturday, the seventh day of the week according to Jewish understanding, and begins on sunday, the first day.

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by dauer

The parsha finishes on saturday, the seventh day of the week according to Jewish understanding, and begins on sunday, the first day.

this last one we did (fun thread on Joesph) seemed to be longer. like it was for two weeks & i think that is what kind of tossed me off because when i would log into the site it was still on the same parsha. then when i went to it today it was on the new parsha.

do some of them last for two weeks?