Spooky Action at a Distance

[littlemissattitude]

This is an interesting idea, although I'm sure I don't grasp all the details since I am a physics illiterate. Not proud of that, but it's the truth.

What this brings to my mind are reports of twins who feel each other's pain - literally. There have been reports of twins such that when one twin is injured or falls ill, the other twin - sometimes very far away - feels the pain of the other's injury or illness at the exact instant that the pain occurs in the ill or injured twin. Of course, this is purely anecdotal evidence and may not have anything to do with the physical phenomenon being discussed in this thread. However it does suggest, on a macro level, some sort of long-distance, instantaneous reaction in individuals whose lives are entangled in a special way.

[WHKeith]

Thanks, littlemissattitude! It DOES have quite a lot to do with it, especially if we try to understand consciousness as a quantum phenomenon. A few years ago--1994, I believe--some wonderfully evocative experiments were carried out at the University of Mexico. Two test subjects spent time relaxing with one another for about twenty minutes. They then went to separate faraday chambers. (A faraday chamber is a room completely shielded against all electromagnetic radiation. It ensures that there can be no signal, in a conventional sense, from one subject to the other.)

Both were wired to electroencephalographs. One was shown a series of flashing lights. In, I believe it was one out of four trials, the EEG of the OTHER test subject peaked in exactly the same way at exactly the same time, as though HE had seen the flashing light as well.

Experiments have demonstrated that the brain wave patterns of separate individuals tend to synchronize when they spend time together, talking, meditating, engaging in ritual, or staring into one another's eyes. This was the reason for the twenty minutes of together time . . . to allow the subjects to synchronize.

Studies in remote viewing have been carried out with one of the subjects--the receiver--on board a miniature submarine at a depth of 170 meters, while the other subject--transmitter--was some 150 kilometers away. The tests were successful, despite the fact that that depth of water more than adequately shields against even extremely low-frequency EM waves (ELF).

Current theory is evolving toward the idea that there is a kind of substrate or foundation to reality, defined by the continual emergence and disappearance of virtual particles at the quantum level. This substrate, called "the Field" by Lynn McTaggart in her excellent work, "The Field," becomes the background upon which all quantum effects are played out--including even memory, consciousness, and such bizarre effects as shared thoughts.

To use a time-honored metaphor drawn from science fiction, the Field could be viewed as a kind of subspace or hyperspace, a "place" outside of space and time, and one, therefore, for which our notions of distance have no meaning. Nonlocal quantum effects can be seen occuring within the Field and instantly accessible EVERYWHERE in the physical universe, as though there were no distance between them at all. There is no propogation of data "through" space. Instead, the data exists as holographically encoded wave interference patterns "past" space, and is instantly shared everywhere.

[Susma Rio Sep]

Spooky subject. But we still have to work out the mechanics on the basis of our brain and our senses.

All the discussions here and the discussants have a reference to the human brain and senses: smell, hearing, sight, touch, taste, and the internal sense of one's own awareness of one’s internal operations, like the pain that is gnawing in one’s back as from what we call backache, or similar discomfort like eye weariness from too much reading.

Without the external senses and the faculty of speech we cannot realistically and to a good degree of reliability communicate what is in our internal awareness of our physiological or mental or spiritual processes.

Take for example, the experience by mystics and between mystics of what is called mystical ecstasy, without their brain and external senses and their faculty of speech, they cannot convey any information among themselves, not so much as between two mystics – and they right from the start must employ their senses, the external ones, to be aware of each other’s presence.

My point is this: the spooky subject can be investigated no end and discussed no end, but at the end of the day, we must still be in touch with our brain, our external senses, and our internal sense of self-awareness, and also very important the use of our speech or communication potentials.

The work to be done is to relate in a practical manner all the spooky theories and experiments and laboratory equipment to our brain, external senses, and the internal awareness, and our communication potentials, mapping exactly how these latter do or can or might play in spooky activities of whatever particles be out there in us.

Susma Rio Sep